Re: question about state of F11 kernel

2010-01-19 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 01:05:52PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >Hi, > >What is the state of F11 kernel? AFAIK 2.6.30 is not supported by >upstream for a month. Upgrade to 2.6.31 doesn't solve this problem, >because 2.6.31.12 is probably the latest from 31 series. I have seen >failed 2.6.32 buil

Re: Putting cross compilers into Fedora

2010-09-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 07:21:51AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >On 09/01/2010 06:41 AM, David Howells wrote: >> >> Would it be worth our while putting into Fedora basic gcc and binutils rpms >> for cross compilers for all the Linux arches? I k

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy > draft page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft > > How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more > cl

Re: Another bug that would have been caught if packages went through a boot/acceptance test

2010-09-29 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > If you've been following updates to F14 alpha/beta, you'll undoubtedly > have been hit by: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638091 > > which makes everything segfault and is unrecoverable without a live CD > and a lot of m

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM), > and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed.  It's > starting to make anaconda look distinctly clunky. > > Some of the things it does which are IMH

Re: Building mono-2.8 for 64 bit - possible solution to the problem

2010-10-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > In the wee small hours (UK time), I submitted mono-2.8 to koji. > Unfortunately, it failed to build for 64 bit systems and gave the > following error > > In file included from sgen-gc.c:784:0: > sgen-los.c: In function 'los_scan_car

Re: -frecord-gcc-switches as default CFLAG?

2010-11-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 10/30/2010 06:01 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:24:02AM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: >>> I noticed on my Fedora 13 box that in the RPM macro %__global_cflags >>> that -frecord-gcc-switches is missing, which i

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 04:52:02PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 14:21 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : >> > >> > Why throw away everything just so we can make input better? >> >> Because those are just

Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Américo Wang wrote: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 03:50:07PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >>> > > Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature >>> > > for Fedora 16? >>> > > >>> > > https://fedorapro

Re: Where does mock get %_smp_mflags?

2011-07-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > I don't know why I didn't notice before but I was reviewing a > build.log from a package and noticed it was only using -j2 when I have > -j4 in my .rpmmacros. If mock doesn't use .rpmmacros from the user > running mock then where does it get i

Re: koji: kernel-2.6.40-3.fc15

2011-07-29 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=256138 > > does this mean that F15 will get a rebased 2.6.40 sooner or > later in stable repos to avoid troubles with the new versioning > and will not stuck at 2.6.38 the whole life cycle?

Re: rawhide report: 20110729 changes

2011-07-29 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Rawhide Report wrote: > kernel-3.1.0-0.rc0.git9.1.fc17 > -- > * Wed Jul 27 2011 Josh Boyer > - Linux 3.0-git9 > - Move CONFIG_JUMP_LABEL to config-generic now that powerpc has it too This is probably broken on several

Re: Rawhide should take turns with F-16 Branched

2011-07-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:22 PM, John Reiser wrote: > The nightly build "mash" for Fedora-16 Branched should go first, > before Rawhide, on a few days per week: say, Monday, Wednesday, > and Friday.  The typical three-hour difference in completion times > can be put to good use by me and others wh

Re: GPT in Fedora 16

2011-08-27 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > btw, I just installed F16 on an EFI machine and got Grub Legacy. Are there any > major problems with Grub 2's EFI support? >From a brief conversation I had earlier this week, yes there are. The plan is grub2 for BIOS based machines, grub for

Re: yum update btrfs-progs failing on F16alpha

2011-09-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > I've got an F16alpha kvm guest installed from scratch a few days ago. > > Today I tried a `yum update` (with --disablerepo=updates-testing) which > failed. By trial and error I determined that it is btrfs-progs, trying > to update from 0.

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 03:27:15PM -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> > Well, yes, that parallel came up in my mind too, but really, the two >> > aren't particularly similar. I don't

Re: "Baseurl" download source for now?

2011-09-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:18 AM, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 19:16 +0400, Dmitry Butskoy wrote: >> Dmitry Butskoy wrote: >> > seth vidal wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 18:04 +0400, Dmitry Butskoy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Well, but what should I do if that mirror seems broke

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/07/2011 09:57 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > > >> >> %changelog isn't for developers.  It's for users to see what the >> developers changed in the package. >> > >  Would a git-short

Re: "Baseurl" download source for now?

2011-09-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 16:28 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 10:22:48AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: >> >> > Broken how? If the mirror is not functional yum should switch to the >> > next mirror in your mirrorlist from mirrormana

Re: submitters +1ing their own packages

2011-09-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 18:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 18:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > * As a maintainer it's easy to have a env that gets out of sync with >> >   what a QA or end user would use. Ie, you mak

Re: submitters +1ing their own packages

2011-09-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 13:16 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> I don't think a maintainer can realistically replace wide-spread user >> based testing in a variety of environments. > > I didn't argue that this wou

Re: r8712u in f16/17?

2011-09-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:04 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > I saw in the last two weeks in a post by Larry Finger that finally the > Realtek r8712u driver has been released for inclusion in the kernel. > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/30/4612930 It's been submitted for inclusion

Re: Fedora 16 feels slow

2011-09-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote: > Hi Fedora people. > > I have just installed F16 on my Asus 522 (a netbook) and everything > works regarding hw. Good work everybody! > > However, compared to F15 everything feels really slow. Typing this has a > delay of about .5 seconds for

Re: When are Qemu SPARC/PPC coming back?

2011-09-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > The context for this question can be found here: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt-maint/2011-March/002289.html > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679179 > What I'm not fine with is that there seems to be no des

Re: When are Qemu SPARC/PPC coming back?

2011-09-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nathaniel McCallum >> wrote: >>> The context for this question can be found here: >>> http://lists.fedoraproj

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Josh Boyer
2011/9/20 Miloslav Trmač : > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 04:52:28PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> On 09/20/2011 04:37 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> >What the maintainers could have done is not upload a package that breaks >>> >binary compa

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: > On 10/04/2011 01:03 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 10/3/11 5:53 PM, Farkas Levente wrote: >>> On 10/04/2011 12:33 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric S

Fedora Kernel Team Meeting October 14, 2011

2011-10-13 Thread Josh Boyer
Have some kernel questions you want to ask in a real-time fashion? Want an overview of where the various Fedora releases are at in terms of the kernel? Have a really awesome idea for the kernel package you want to share? Then come join us for the first Fedora Kernel Team meeting tomorrow! We're

Summary: Fedora Kernel Team Meeting Oct 14, 2011

2011-10-14 Thread Josh Boyer
=== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Kernel Team meeting === Meeting started by jwb at 17:59:59 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-10-14/fedora-kernel-team.2011-10-14-17.59

Re: Building cpufreq modules into F16 kernel is it right or wrong?

2011-10-18 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:52 PM, wrote: > > Thanks, I will try makestep directive with F16 kernel. > This is workaround may work or may not because chrony not always available. > For example chrony can be not installed on Live images (not from Fedora) or > other systems which don't have chrony.

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-19 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/20/2011 01:06 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 15:30 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: >> >>> What did you downgrade to ? >>> AFAIK Several people had to downgrade from -11 because of nsswitch >>> issues ... seem glibc is not

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-19 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 10/20/2011 01:06 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 15:30 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: >>> >>>> What did you downgrade to ? >

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I'd vote for #1, but that's a much longer conversation that should be >> had upstream and before we even get close to bringing it to FESCo. > > FESCo is the entity which can have that conversation with Glibc upstream > on behalf of Fedora.

Re: PDFCrack - empty debuginfo file

2011-10-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:29 AM, P J P wrote: >   Hi, > > > I'm trying to package the PDFCrack tool for Fedora, > > > Review request -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746754 > > Koji build -> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3446368 > > > Somehow it is creating an em

Re: Rwhide: Last Kernel not booting in vmware

2011-10-24 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Linux rawhide.vmware.local 3.1.0-0.rc9.git0.0.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 5 > 14:37:47 > > this is the last kernel booting in vmware for me > all following see screenshot Make sure your grub config file has an initrd line for that kernel. It

Rawhide kernel rebased to 3.2

2011-10-27 Thread Josh Boyer
The rawhide kernel has been rebased to the initial wave of commits that will eventually become Linux 3.2. I haven't built the kernel in koji yet, but I will probably do so tomorrow or Monday, depending on how well a local build works when I test it. There was a large driver movement in the ethern

Re: New build of fedpkg (fedora-packager) coming to updates-testing / rawhide

2011-11-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > For f15 through rawhide and epel 6 there is a new update coming for fedpkg > (part of fedora-packager). > > This build is a pretty major rewrite to make use of a shared pyrpkg backend.   > Coming along for the ride is a new build of GitPython

Re: Firefox 4 for f14?

2011-03-24 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Joshua C. wrote: > I think this discussion goes in the wrong direction. Firefox 4 is (for > me) a working browser that I want to use. Without a proper rpm the > tarball is the only solution left. Spot's solution circumvents the > xulrunner nightmare and Remi's idea

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:31 +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote: >> > Due to these installer problems we're probably not going to be able to >> > have an official PowerPC release for Fedora 15, but the goal is to >> > definitely get it done for Fedo

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Just wanted to give you all a brief heads up that Fedora on PPC as a > secondary arch is still alive and kicking and no dead horse! > > On a more serious note, we've recently been catching up to the current > Fedora 15 package

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dan Horák wrote: >> > Discussions are still ongoing on how to solve the unified initrd size >> > problem though as currently for Power6 or Power5 the new initrd is just >> > too large to ever work, even if it would be better compressed. So we >> > might have to go

Re: F15's /usr/include/rpc has disappeared; uncompilable

2011-05-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:52 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: >> On Thu, 05 May 2011 15:39:21 +0200 >> Jim Meyering wrote: >> >> > Reported as http://bugzilla.redhat.com/702366 >> > and http://bugzilla.redhat.com/702354 >> >> Well, here's NEWS: >> >>

Re: How to build noarch package on only certain architectures?

2011-05-17 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> Is there some other way to add a noarch package that doesn't build on >> some architectures? > > Sadly this is a nasty situation. (I'm in the same boat with munin). > > There are 2 answers, neither ideal (I'd love to hear better): > > 1. Make

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum > NOT USING "systemd" and force "upstart" as before > > * the system is running since years > * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem > * now see screenshot > * WTF is there to relabel

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer: >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum >>> NOT USING "systemd" a

Re: Packages that will be orphaned

2011-06-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > libcgroup I'll take this one if it isn't already grabbed. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: How to best debug kernel problems

2011-07-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Does turning on kdump and installing debuginfo kernel stuff change > things in a way that a watchdog oops won't happen? I doubt the debuginfo package install has anything to do with it, as that is really only used by things like cras

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:16:14PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:11:47PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 14:36 -0600, Adam Miller wrote: >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> > >> > > Take a random downstream app. (Firefox

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> > >> > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost >> > > seems like attempting to decide whether

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:38:38PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 07:52:55PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:16:14PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:11:47PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: >> >>

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:41:11PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 07:56:53PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: >> >&

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:44:08AM -0800, Ryan Rix wrote: >On Tue 2 February 2010 9:10:13 pm Jesse Keating wrote: >> What functionality has been lost here? > >Working KDM, for one... Installing from the live DVD (as Kevin Kofler >mentioned earlier) is essentially broken if you want KDE as the prim

Re: simple build system for personal repos?

2010-02-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 05:04:01PM -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote: >Is KoPeR ever going to become available? Or is it an idea that is DOA? It might become available if people actually tried to work on it. Nobody has so far. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fed

Re: Fedora 12 re-spins Released

2010-02-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:15:56AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Mat Booth wrote: >> If you insist on putting out major updates for released Fedoras it >> will never a good time to do a re-spin. Oh well. > >The updates being pushed so far are bugfix releases (4.3.3, 4.3.4, 4.3.5). >We're preparing 4

Re: Proposal: move comps to fedorahosted git

2010-02-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 04:45:06PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: >I'd like to propose moving comps to fedorahosted git. >Why? Because CVS is a pain. > >I can work on fixing the automated releng tasks that use comps. > >What I'd like to know is if doing this at some point over the >next few weeks (s

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 08:14:13AM -0500, Marcela Maslanova wrote: > >- "Matthias Clasen" wrote: > >> On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 13:16 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >> I think banning stable pushes is the right idea. None of your reasons >> is >> very convincing. >> >My packages are rarely tested

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 02:07:05PM +0100, Patrice Dumas wrote: >On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Hi, >> >> at the FESCo meeting on Tuesday, everyone except me seemed to be set on >> wanting to disable the possibility to queue updates directly to stable in >> Bodhi

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Hi, > >at the FESCo meeting on Tuesday, everyone except me seemed to be set on >wanting to disable the possibility to queue updates directly to stable in >Bodhi. The only reason this was not decided right there (with no outside >feed

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 02:23:33PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: >On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> I would like to collect feedback on this issue. If you want to disable >> direct stable pushes, why? Could there be a less radical solution to that >> problem (e.g. a pol

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 09:41:34AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: >Kevin Kofler writes: >> Some situations where I and others have used direct stable pushes in the >> past and where I think they're really warranted and should be used: > >You forgot security fixes. The proposed policy is insane. There i

Re: FESCo wants a more sane updates policy (feedback requested)

2010-02-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 12:25:01AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >drago01 wrote: >> There has been a draft a while ago which did not result into much >> discussion .. >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience >> >> Which looks pretty sane to me. > >It looks very insane

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 05:19:03PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: >On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 02:11 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> On the other hand, your usecase has a solution, it's called CentOS. >> > >Wrong answer. Fedora can provide rapid adoption of new technology in >it's 6 month release cycle. It

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:52:49PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 22:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > >> We've made a mess and as a member of fesco I'd expect you to be helping in >> cleaning up the mess, not making it worse b/c fesco HAS to be about the >> long term growth and

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-03 Thread Josh Boyer
> > whole >> > weekend has irked me more than once. My intention is not to force you or >> > Josh Boyer to work on weekends, but maybe we can find a new volunteer to >> > do >> > weekend pushes (and only weekend pushes, so they wouldn't be

Re: duplicate f13 package announcements

2010-03-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 08:54:28AM -0600, Jon Ciesla wrote: >M A Young wrote: >> I don't know if this has already been raised but I notice on the >> package-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org list that several Fedora 13 >> packages keep getting announced, for example, by checking the archives I >>

Re: duplicate f13 package announcements

2010-03-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 10:12:51AM +0200, shmuel siegel wrote: >On 3/4/2010 5:04 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 08:54:28AM -0600, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> >>> M A Young wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know if this has already

Re: Karma threshold for kernel

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:36:18PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: >Hi, > >what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel? > >The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's >13+ and 10- > >And the kernel got -5 since it's pushed to stable. Shouldn't that one >stay out of sta

Re: howto group push?

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 08:09:43AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: >mercurial and tortoise-hg need (generally) to be pushed in sync. They >are maintained by 2 different people. What are suggested ways to make sure >pushes are synchronized? The maintainers should coordinate, and one of them should bu

Re: howto group push?

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 08:28:29AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: >leigh scott wrote: > >> On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 08:20 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >>> The maintainers should coordinate, and one of them should bundle both >>> packages >>> into a single bodhi

Re: howto group push?

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:22:48PM +, leigh scott wrote: >On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 08:20 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> The maintainers should coordinate, and one of them should bundle both >> packages >> into a single bodhi update. It's the only way to guarantee

Re: Karma threshold for kernel

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 08:55:34AM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >Josh Boyer wrote: >> 2) Karma after it goes to stable is good for informational purposes, but it >> will not cause an update to get removed from Stable. We don't back out >> updates >> after

Re: What are the rules for which package we build against in F-13?

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 03:29:37PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >So I submitted a rebuild for libguestfs in F-13 (just now). This >was built against: > >plymouth-core-libs 0.8.0-0.20100114.2.fc13 Yes, that's what in dist-f13. You can view this with: koji latest-pkg dist-f13 or for the b

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 01:48:42PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: >On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:26 -0500, Luke Macken wrote: > >> I think a much better solution would be to require similar critical path >> policies, across *all* releases, not just pending ones, while still >> allowing non-critpath packages

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:07:39AM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: >Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 20:25 -0500 schrieb Seth Vidal: > >> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that >> meeting. >> >> Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do to correct it? > >Set

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:38:09PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> >> 20:45:42 cwickert: people threatening to leave should leave >> >> 20:45:48 orphan your packages and go >> >> 20:45:57 I'll be glad to clean up that mess >> >> While the phrasing may or may not be over the top, I read that m

Re: libssh2 F11 update breaks Fedora 12 DVD update

2010-03-17 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 09:10:31AM +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: >On the F12 install DVD we have libssh2-1.2-2.fc12. > >A fully updated F11 will have libssh2 with a higher version. Apparently >anaconda >force updates some packages, if you update with the F12 DVD, but not the >libssh2 >package, whi

Re: primary arch and buildsys arch are not in sync

2010-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 06:54:14PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: >On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 04:54:18PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: > >> now as ppc was removed from primary arch i try to build gstreamer-java >> as a noarch packages. until now it was not possible because of this jdk >> bug on ppc: > >> im

Re: Differences between koji and mock rawhide environments?

2011-11-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 11/09/2011 08:49 PM, Jim Meyering wrote: >> Richard Shaw wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Tom Lane  wrote: postgresql is currently failing to rebuild in rawhide: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3499

Re: Unable to boot the 3.1.0 spins of the kernel

2011-11-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > Not sure what I've missed here, but I'm unable to load my machine > using any of the 3.1.0 flavours of the kernel. I can get (I think) > 3.0.0-9 to boot no problems. > > When I try the 3.1.0 spins, I get a kernel panic soon after booti

Re: Libs with applications

2011-11-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: > Hello, > > I was curious how many library packages we have that also includes > applications in > them, so I wrote a small shell script: > > http://people.redhat.com/sgrubb/security/lib-bin-check That just checks for a path. It doesn't chec

Re: Changing kernel API / Breaking VirtualBox - update criteria violation?

2011-11-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:08:14PM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 08:53:13AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>  > According to the updates policy the >>  > maintainer needs to consider that their change will cause probl

Re: Changing kernel API / Breaking VirtualBox - update criteria violation?

2011-11-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > What's the story with this VirtualBox driver ... why can't it go upstream? Because Oracle hasn't submitted it. Guesses as to their reasoning for that mostly boil down to them no longer being able to ship the userspace and driver code

Re: Changing kernel API / Breaking VirtualBox - update criteria violation?

2011-11-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 01:21:40PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> We have considered it.  A really long time ago.  At that time, it was >> decided that we consider out-of-tree modules to be something we don't >> s

Re: rawhide report: 20111202 changes

2011-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Rawhide Report wrote: > > Broken deps for i386 > -- >        kernel-PAE-modules-extra-3.2.0-0.rc4.git0.2.fc17.i686 requires > kernel-PAE-i686 = 0:3.2.0-0.rc4.git0.2.fc17.PAE This should be fixed with the next

Re: 2.6.41.2-1.fc15.x86_64: missing bridge support?

2011-12-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 02:49:26PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> I just ran into this in Rawhide, and I don't have ipv6 blacklisted. But >> still: >> >> [root@adam adamw]# virsh net-start default >> error: Failed to start network default >

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Denis Arnaud wrote: > Hello, > > RedHat-hosted Koji servers offer an invaluable service by allowing all of > us, package maintainers, to build all of "our" Fedora packages. I guess that > that infrastructure is not cost-less for RedHat and and the quality of > servi

Re: How to prevent a binary from being stripped by rpmbuild?

2011-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:32 PM, David Howells wrote: > > Hi, > > How do I prevent rpmbuild from attempting to strip a particular binary?  The > problem is that the binary was cross-compiled and is not of the same > architecture as the normal Fedora binutils.  Thus the strip program used (from > th

Re: How to prevent a binary from being stripped by rpmbuild?

2011-12-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 01:32:01 +0100, David Howells wrote: >> Thus the strip program used (from >> the wrong binutils) appears to corrupt the binary. > > rpmbuild uses eu-strip, not strip.  Therefore elfutils, not binutils. > See: /usr/lib/rpm

Re: Re: nss_db

2011-12-14 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Mark R Bannister >> > that the nss_db package has been deprecated, and that the new nss_db >> > support in >> > glibc no longer uses Berkeley DB format. >> >> I appreciate your concerns, but unfortunately most of the glibc >> development decisions happen in the u

Re: initramfs not being created for last couple of kernels

2011-12-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:19 PM, darrell pfeifer wrote: > The last couple of rawhide kernels (including the one from today) have > failed to boot for me because there is no initramfs. > > There is no dracut log, the initrd line is missing from the grub2 paragraphs > and there is no corresponding /

Summary: Fedora Kernel Team Meeting 1-6-2012

2012-01-06 Thread Josh Boyer
== #fedora-meeting: Fedora kernel == Meeting started by jwb at 18:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-01-06/fedora_kernel.2012-01-06-18.00.log.html . Meeting summary -

Re: Kernel 3.1 being phased out, time for 3.2 in F-16?

2012-01-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:57:26 +1100 > Bojan Smojver wrote: > >> Given this: >> >> https://plus.google.com/109995262342451767357/posts/FzpWWo4sRip >> >> Would it be possible to get a 3.2 build for F-16, so that we can start >> testing? > > The ra

Re: Kernel 3.1 being phased out, time for 3.2 in F-16?

2012-01-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > It might make some sense to have a separate repo for the lastest kernels > on released versions of Fedora. Maybe one than one, since some people may > be willing to test RCs and other people just want to get a jump on trying > the latest re

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (09 January 2012)

2012-01-09 Thread Josh Boyer
> * #720 kay - provenpackager for /usr move  (limburgher, 18:07:22) >  * AGREED: #topic #720 kay - provenpackager for /usr move  (limburgher, >    18:16:38) > > (NOTE, vote was +6, -1, 0:0) Who voted -1? The logs show: pjones, nirik, limburgher, sgallagh, mjg59, notting: +1 mmaslano abstaining

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:23 AM, mike cloaked wrote: > Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has > been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there > are several that now have a rolling-release model. > > Three of these are: > > Debian CUT: > http:/

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-25 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Bryan Quigley wrote: > I can understand exceptions for Firefox (but you don't want to switch > to the enterprise slow release right?), and Wine, but... > > I've read it several times and I don't quite understand the major > kernel version bumps.  3.2.1 just got rel

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM, John Ellson wrote: > Another issue is that I have: > >    /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory >   [    1.796642] Kernel panic - not syncing:  attempted to kill init! > > when trying t

Fedora Kernel Meeting 02-03-2012

2012-02-02 Thread Josh Boyer
Hi All, Just a reminder that we'll be holding a Fedora kernel meeting in #fedora-meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. We'll be chatting about the current state of the Fedora kernel, where we're heading in F17 and what we're going to be looking at otherwise. Feel free to stop by and ask questions or ma

Re: Does anyone still need to create legacy HFS filesystems?

2012-02-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:25:50PM -0600, David Lehman wrote: > >> My understanding is that the so-called "Apple Bootstrap" filesystem >> required for ppc Macs to boot is HFS. That's what anaconda uses for it. >> If we could be using HFS+ in

Fedora Kernel Meeting 02-03-2012 Minutes

2012-02-03 Thread Josh Boyer
== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Kernel meeting == Meeting started by jwb at 18:00:34 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-03/fedora-kernel.2012-02-03-18.00.log.html . Meeti

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