Re: how to handle a gui- and non-gui-version of the same library/soname

2010-01-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Milos, Monday, January 18, 2010, 2:27:22 PM, you wrote: > is there any good way how to handle the situation described at > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528524 > > ? > > I.e. you have a single library (single soname) which can be compiled > with or without GUI support (with d

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, On Thursday, August 12, 2010, 8:04:12 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> The F-(x) package will have higher EVR than the F-(x+1) one. This >> will break the upgrade path. Is there any measures to prevent this? > No. In fact FESCo specifically refused to consider this

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:52:33 AM, Kevin wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: >> :( I'm saddened you think so little of us Kevin. I'd have thought we >> could do both. > And you think Santa Claus exists, too? ;-) > Kevin Kofler http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/photos/badsanta.asp

Re: "Staying close to upstream"

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:05:16 PM, Kevin wrote: > Jon Ciesla wrote: >> My understanding of the SIG concept was that they were groups of people >> who were self-organizing around a particular theme to further that theme >> in Fedora, i.e. Games, Live Upgrade, KDE, etc. > Right, but that makes

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:11:49 PM, Kevin wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: >> This is where Kevin blames the scenario on not having the same sqlite on >> all of the Fedora releases, which is another evil plot hatched by the >> devils of FESCo > Right. If F12 has a buggy SQLite, then that SQLi

Re: "Staying close to upstream"

2010-08-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 13, 2010, 1:26:34 PM, Jon wrote: > Hey, no fair stating the same point as I did, at the same time, but > better, and without ranting. That's cheating! > :) > -J Sorry... Must be feeling mellow - it's Friday afternoon, and I'm taking next week off. I'll make sure I flick

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-26 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, August 26, 2010, 3:17:52 PM, Jeff wrote: > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jon Masters wrote: >> Great. It works fine on a laptop, in general. But on a >> desktop/server/workstation that is connected for weeks at a time (like >> mine), I don't want to have to do clicky buttony stuf

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:59:27 PM, Matt wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: >> >> "If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox >> Start Page, please be prepared to provide

Re: Putting cross compilers into Fedora

2010-09-01 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 6:41:34 AM, David Howells wrote: > Would it be worth our while putting into Fedora basic gcc and binutils rpms > for cross compilers for all the Linux arches? I keep finding the need to > compile kernels for arches other than the x86_64 boxes I normally use, and I

Re: Putting cross compilers into Fedora

2010-09-01 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:35:16 AM, I wrote: > On July 7th, 2009, Mark Salter made a post "crossbuilding rpms with > koji" on the fedora-buildsys-list". > http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-buildsys-l...@redhat.com/msg02148.html And for folks who prefer the official archive, http://www

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:42:54 AM, Richard wrote: > On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill wrote: > This isn't repodata, it's a separate data package. You /could/ push > the icons.tar.gz and desktop sqlite database as repodata, although > it's not going to change for the duration of eac

Re: FF 3.6.9 update for F-13

2010-09-21 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:54:31 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: > On 09/21/2010 01:45 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: >> On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 17:50 +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote: >>> Isn't that a security related >>> update? >> Ping... > I'm working on it, recently it's delayed in rel-eng: > https://fed

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski : >>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi : >>> >> As the concept of using third

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote: > On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >>> This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold >>> packages from Rawhide if they don't pass som

Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed

2010-09-29 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 4:15:28 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Today it's this package. Tomorrow it'll be another one. Sure we can solve > this particular problem (but it's taking WEEKS!), but why would that be the > only one? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmxyj6iInMc Now that the pro

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, On Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 5:30:52 PM, you wrote: > Well, normally it's the s390 arch team's job to fix the build on s390, and > they should have commit access to all packages, even Firefox. If that's not > the case, talk to the infrastructure team to get the required access. >

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-13 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 6:56:18 PM, Gregory wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 00:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> >  * Why haven't those that want iceweasel and icedove in Fedora not >>> > simply invested

Re: GPT in Fedora 16

2011-08-26 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, August 26, 2011, 3:35:52 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 04:29:55PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: >> >> Windows and GPT FAQ: >> >> Q. Can Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2008 read, write, >> and boot from GPT disks? >> >> A. Yes, all versions can use GP

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, August 29, 2011, 7:54:10 AM, Karel Zak wrote: > I'd like to remove: > ddate - converts Gregorian dates to Discordian dates > command from rawhide (F17). IMHO this crazy command is used by very > very small minority of Fedora users. > Comments? Why does it matter to you?

Re: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd

2011-09-06 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 5:28:34 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: >> There is one thing I have learned ( so far in the conversion process ) >> and that is that the current model surrounding maintainers and >> maintainership followed by various policies surrounding that m

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 6:32:26 PM, Michael wrote: > Luke Macken wrote: >>> In case you hadn't noticed, response to this has so far been pretty >>> > negative. It seems people liked being able to tell from the URL what the >>> > update actually*was*. I must admit I do to. I've resorted to c

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Nathaniel, On Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 2:01:26 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 13:57 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:48:19PM -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: >> > >> > With this approach, you have lost a critical feature: the ability for >> >

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 3:04:36 PM, I wrote: > For the Intel arches, it may make sense to have all kinds of X drivers > available by default. For the secondary arches, the user requirements > and physical environment. Brain fart - I meant to say "and physical environment differ". Al -- deve

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-08 Thread Al Dunsmuir
-1. Nay. NoWay. No thanks. Uh uh. I could find little or nothing in your proposal to which I agreed... so decided not to quote any. I just registered at Fedoraforums.org and voted "adventurous" in Adam's poll. Just to make sure my voice is heard, and not the shouting of f

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:38:44 AM, you wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 14:02:07 Seth Vidal wrote: > I'm sure with the same logic I can say a lot of things. > What I said was " I want fewer broken things." > -sv Seth, The problem is

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:37:26 AM, you wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> Hello Seth, >> >> Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? >>> -sv >>

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Seth, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: > Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? > -sv I have limited time to do system installs and maintenance. Sticking with one distribution helps keep that sane. I have a dual boot XP + Ubuntu machine that I do some play with

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Ewan, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 11:50:21 AM, you wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 09:33:45AM -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> Hello Seth, >> >> Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:23:00 AM, you wrote: >> >> > Your primary server runs fedora? May I ask why? >>

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Ewan, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 12:41:26 PM, you wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 12:07:20PM -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> To some extent, I view my current contribution to Fedora as being >> unreasonable and insisting that it be able to perform basic server >>

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Michael, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 1:23:59 PM, you wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:08:48 -0500, Al wrote: >> I want more updates. I want them to be more frequent, incremental and >> each reasonably well tested. Trying to do too many changes at a time >> not only leads to an increased lik

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:10:04 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > However, I do wonder about some of the concerns about this being > a requirement for all packages. So, here's a counter-proposal/expansion. > If need be, each of these policies could be considered separately, although > they do stack

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:49:00 PM, Dan Horák wrote: > Thanks Bill, this proposal is very similar to my "dump of ideas" posted > earlier today. The only thing I would like to improve (probably in > PackageKit) is the presentation of the content in updates-testing to the > users, to make it more

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello James, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:53:22 PM, you wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 13:41 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> >> > If you - and the QA team - want to expand your testing activities, focus >> > on the CRITPATH packages first. Do a good jo

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 3:20:25 PM, Adam Willamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 15:13 -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> > 1) All updates (even security) must pass AutoQA tests. >> > Rationale: If a package breaks dependencies, does not install, or >> > fails other o

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Krzysztof, Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 3:36:43 PM, you wrote: > Matthew Garrett writes: >> 2) It is impossible to ensure that functionality will not be reduced >> without sufficient testing. > True. The whole point of an update may be the deliberate removal of features/functionalit

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 7:24:18 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 13:06, Steven I Usdansky > Your proposal especially doesn't address the third point. How do > effectively you rollback the package on the mirrors when you don't > control them? Assuming reversion to an o

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:09:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:08 -0800, Josh Stone wrote: >>> It seems to cast doubt on the value of karma -- just because something >>> gets lots of positive karma on N doesn't mean that N-1 is ok. Then >>> again, t

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:59:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:44 +, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: >> The LHC is an interesting analogy; it certainly has problems that can be >> picked out with 20:20 hindsight, but there was no way anyone could have >> changed the processes

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-11 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 7:11:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> The update to an older stable release should be made widely available >> in that release's updates-testing after the equivalent (not >> necessarily identical) fix has been w

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-11 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:09:02 AM, you wrote: > Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> For older releases, the presumption/requirement for stability is >> higher. > Nonsense. The previous and current stable releases are both equally > supported, there isn't one w

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, On Friday, March 12, 2010, 10:41:53 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Andrew Haley wrote: >> Because we don't despise our users. I don't, anyway. > If we don't despise our users, we shouldn't let them use crap like third- > party connectivity software which isn't even packaged properly. :-

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Friday, March 12, 2010, 10:52:35 AM, spot you wrote: > On 03/12/2010 10:47 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> I really think this is not the approach, unless Fedora is just for rich >> people >> in (theoretically) rich countries. I doubt that's what we want. > Or we could just make Fedora print money.

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Matthew, Friday, March 12, 2010, 1:47:18 PM, you wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:19:07PM -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> A) Fedora requires backports for problems that break ABI. Note that this >> also means that Fedora may need to have people who create non-upstreamable >> patches t

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Simo, Friday, March 12, 2010, 3:42:41 PM, you wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:21:41 +0100 > Kevin Kofler wrote: >> The problem with all the proposals centered on the idea of N-1 as >> conservative, N as less conservative, including yours above and >> jreznik's, is that it forces all the

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
| Accidently sent off-list. Resent. On Friday, March 12, 2010, 3:05:18 PM, Tuju wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> RHEL has the resources to backport. Centos uses those backpotrs for >>> free, but does not generate them (unless again the party supporting a >>> component

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:33:15 PM, you wrote: > Al Dunsmuir wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:21:41 +0100 >>> Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >>>> The problem with all the proposals centered on the idea of N-1 as >>>> conservative

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:39:33 PM, you wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:18:11 +0100 Simo Sorce wrote: >> rawhide? F-13 ? > No. > This has already been explained several times! > Rawhide is not the answer. It comes with disruptive changes (and there's no > real way to avoid this pr

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Jesse, Friday, March 12, 2010, 6:20:13 PM, you wrote: > Keeping that cutting-edge release practice, but adding to that stability > once released would indeed be a very unique and desirable niche for > Fedora to fill. Indeed. It means the Fedora community will have grown up enough to unde

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Kevin, Friday, March 12, 2010, 6:52:32 PM, you wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: >> Fundamental point of view difference. You take the point of view of >> push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not >> to. >> >> Others take the point of view of not updating anythin

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Friday, March 12, 2010, 7:02:54 PM, Kevin wrote: > Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> Maybe part of the answer is that some resources (especially >> automation) need to be dedicated to keep the core critical components >> of rawhide from being gratuitously broken and staying t

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Friday, March 12, 2010, 7:09:02 PM, Kevin wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: >> Then in my opinion those users, and those maintainers who wish to cater >> to those users, can go start their own project. > Even if those users are 70+% of the current Fedora users? That's quite > plausible given the resu

Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages

2012-02-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 6:12:44 PM, Reindl wrote: > this will not work since if a systemd-unit is present > systemd no longer is interested in anything from > /etc/init.d/ > so there is no solution except patch systemd if iptables.service is > called which will not happen because it would

Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages

2012-02-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 7:15:13 PM, Reindl wrote: > Am 16.02.2012 00:48, schrieb Al Dunsmuir: >> On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 6:12:44 PM, Reindl wrote: >>> this will not work since if a systemd-unit is present >>> systemd no longer is interested in an

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:23:51 PM, Jóhann wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? > It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have > asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has mad

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 4:21:13 PM, Jóhann wrote: > Some people seem to be confusing this like this would instantly take > effect which is not the case here. > We are just talking about automating the "NonResponsiveMaintainers > policy" as is so instead of an reporter to manually perform these

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-18 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, November 18, 2010, 2:06:38 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 11/17/2010 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:42:56AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >>> Because it's NOT a bug in glibc, because what glibc does is CORRECT, >>> because >>> it actually POINTS OUT bugs

Re: Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

2010-05-17 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, May 17, 2010, 7:24:14 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 14 May 2010 14:22, drago01 wrote: >> 4) People adding negative karma because "unrelated bug that has been >> present in the older version is still not fixed" > I get this all the time. It would be nice to be able to have a > "discou

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Chen, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:05:43 PM, Chen Lei wrote: > 2010/7/8 Jakub Jelinek : >> Generally, much better speedup can be achieved by using PGO >> (-fprofile-generate, run on some testsuite, -fprofile-use). >> GCC itself is built that way for several years, but it would be useful if >>

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Chen, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:05:43 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > 2010/7/8 Jakub Jelinek : >> Generally, much better speedup can be achieved by using PGO >> (-fprofile-generate, run on some testsuite, -fprofile-use). >> GCC itself is built that way for several years, but it would be useful

Re: New Fedora 22 Change proposal: systemd-sysusers

2014-07-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, 1:24:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 09.07.2014 19:18, schrieb Chris Adams: >> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: >> Please, no! As soon as you use disparate systems in a network >> environment, having differing versions of UID_MIN (where recompilation >> is r

Re: Make buildSRPMFromSCM faster?

2014-07-19 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Saturday, July 19, 2014, 8:20:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> How about not rebuilding the chroot every time... It's not like you have to >> worry about leftover BR's from building another package. > That could lead to packages that happen to

Self Introduction: Al Dunsmuir

2014-08-21 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Greetings! I've been a Fedora user since Fedora Core 3, but now I'm starting the move to the next level - becoming a Fedora packager. I'm interested in vintage hardware, especially older ATI/Radeon video, and PPC (Macs & IBM). I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora development in a couple of areas:

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 21 Beta!

2014-11-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 10:01:02 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > The Fedora 21 beta release is here, and - as usual - is packed > with amazing improvements to Fedora, as well as fantastic free > and open source software, gently harvested for your enjoyment. No > bits were harmed in the making o

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 21 Beta!

2014-11-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 6:01:35 PM, Robert Mayz wrote: >2014-11-04 23:55 GMT+01:00 Al Dunsmuir : >On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 10:01:02 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> The Fedora 21 beta release is here, and - as usual - is packed >> with amazing improvements to Fedora, as

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 7:21:25 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/20/2012 05:46 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 05:37:10PM +0100, drago01 wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 03/20/2012 09:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > T

Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

2012-04-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 11:27:59 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Horst H. von Brand wrote: >> That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as >> things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5 >> bullets instead of 1. > Rawhide IS already Russian roulett

Re: F17, firewalld, avahi

2012-04-17 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 4:15:53 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Andreas Tunek wrote: >> I do not see anything in the f17 feature page describing any graphical >> configuration tool. But I also agree that gui configuratio is needed, >> otherwise it will probably be really

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:27:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of >> bzip2. > Is this necessary? Wouldn't it be better to have lbzip2 Provide bzip2 > or something so that updating all those packages is not n

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Hello Al, On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 5:14:53 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 4:27:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >>> ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of >>> bzip2. >> Is this necessary? Wo

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 2:03:38 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: >> = Proposed System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/lbzip2 >> >> Change owner(s): Mikolaj Izdebski >> >> This change aims

Re: rawhide report: 20140404 changes

2014-04-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, April 4, 2014, 1:42:49 PM, Matthew Milleru wrote: > On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 11:32:57AM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: >> As far as I am concerned they are very useful. In more detail I am >> looking mostly at "Broken deps" and "Summaries", with only an occasional >> peek at a changelog

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver > > Change owner(s): P J P , Pavel Šimerda > , Tomas Hozza > > To install a local DNS resolver trust

Problems with Fedora ppc mailing list

2014-05-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
Has anyone else noticed problems with the Fedora mailing lists today? As of last night, I am not getting copied on my posts, but can see them at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ppc/2014-May/date.html I tried checking my mail options, at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/pp

Re: Fwd: git commit Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

2014-05-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 15, 2014, 12:42:25 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > More fallout from pkgdb2? I just send an email to this list about weird problems I have been experiencing with the ppc mailing list. When I tried to log on to check my options, I got a 502 proxy error about a DNS lookup fa

Re: Problems with Fedora ppc mailing list

2014-05-16 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 15, 2014, 8:28:33 PM, I wrote: > Has anyone else noticed problems with the Fedora mailing lists today? > As of last night, I am not getting copied on my posts, but can see > them at > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ppc/2014-May/date.html > I tried checking my mail opt

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21

2014-05-31 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, May 30, 2014, 12:22:18 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 18:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 03:43:49PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: >> Isn't this driver therefore required by this emulated card? Or does >> another driver do the job? > No and ye

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 2:53:33 PM, Till Mass wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:01:53AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:24:09 +0200 >> Till Maas wrote: >> > yaboot dwmw2, dwmw2, fkocina, >> >> this is a secondary arch only package since F-12, so it s

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 10:05:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:33 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> Is the mga450 supported? Aside from formal graphics test days, I can >> run whatever tests required on x86 (both 32-bit and 64-bit). > Define "supported&q

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:15:18 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2014-06-02 at 16:52 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> On Monday, June 2, 2014, 10:05:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: >> > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:33 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> >> Is the mga450 supported? A

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 2, 2014, 5:54:10 PM, Till Mass wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 04:36:28PM -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> Please do not start deleting ppc32-only packages. >> >> A few of us would like to resurrect ppc32, likely initially as a >> Fedora Re

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-03 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014, 2:37:49 AM, Dan Horák wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jun 2014 23:54:10 +0200 > Till Maas wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 04:36:28PM -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> >> > Please do not start deleting ppc32-only packages. >> > >> > A

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-09 Thread Al Dunsmuir
>> >> > On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 04:36:28PM -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> > > On Monday, June 2, 2014, 2:53:33 PM, Till Mass wrote: >> > > > On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:01:53AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: >> > > >> On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:24:09 +0200

Re: intel ipw2100/ipw2200 firmware must be removed

2012-07-15 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Saturday, July 14, 2012, 7:25:15 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> See: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:LicensingGuidelines#Binary_Firmware > Ralf Ertzinger wrote: >> Question about that: The first requirement is that the file is >> non-executable. Does that mean that Fe

Re: Fedora 19 End of Life

2015-01-06 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 11:25:19 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> As of 6th of January 2014, Fedora 19 has reached its end of life for >> updates and support. > Yay! > Does this mean Schrödinger's cat is actually dead? > josh Wulf's looked bette

Re: Graphics driver support in F21+

2013-10-28 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, October 24, 2013, 4:41:09 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 10:46 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: >> For F21, I plan to orphan the following X video drivers: >> ... >> xorg-x11-drv-mach64 >> xorg-x11-drv-r128 >> ... > These have now been orphaned. I would like to volunteer to

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2013-10-28 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, October 28,2013, 6:00:07 AM, the owner-change drone spake: > Change in ownership over the last 168 hours > === > 23 packages were orphaned > - > . . . > xorg-x11-drv-r128 [devel] was orphaned by jwboyer > Xorg X11 r128

Re: Graphics driver support in F21+

2013-10-28 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, October 28, 2013, 10:07:05 PM, I began... I left IBM in 2002. Since then, I have joined RBC, and spend my days developing a mainframe file/data server (written in C and assembler - about 250 KLOC) and a few bits and pieces on AIX. I'm still a quite active coder, just not so much hardw

Re: RFC: Simply the retirement procedure - trigger on dead.package

2013-11-27 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 2:30:23 PM, Ralph Bean wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:35:13PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 19:21:53 +0100, >> > Till Maas wrote: >> > > >> > >What are your opinions a

Re: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

2018-06-04 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Monday, June 4, 2018, 4:35:34 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/i686_Is_For_x86-64 > Owner(s): > * Florian Weimer > Fedora builds its i686 packages for use on x86-64 systems as multi-lib RPMs. > == Detailed d