* Kamil Paral:
> From a technical point of view I'm not able to judge whether raising
> the fileno limits by default is a trivial change or something with
> important security implications.
It has implications for reliability (and perhaps security). File
descriptors can refer to sockets, and eac
* Lennart Poettering:
> On Fr, 05.10.18 19:31, Kamil Paral (kpa...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>> (cross-posting to devel and desktop lists, ideally reply to both)
>
> Coincidentally, at All Systems Go! in Berlin last week I had some
> discussions with kernel people about RLIMIT_NOFILE defaults. They
> b
On Thursday, 18 October 2018 at 23:04, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
[...]
> I wouldn't expect it to be a "drop-in" mailing list replacement.
> Yes, it allows some backward compatibility by providing
> "mailing-list mode" - but you're going to get a richer
> experience if you use native interfaces.
So, I t
Randy Barlow writes:
> On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 13:14 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> Discourse is *definitely* not a smooth, drop-in mailing list
>> replacement
>> like Hyperkitty is.
>
> I'm curious what is insufficient about Hyperkitty that Discourse does
> well at.
Badges, those are super impor
Hi, Máirín.
On Friday, 19 October 2018 at 05:43, Máirín Duffy wrote:
[...]
> I believe quite strongly (and have from the start when I first heard
> of the project) that Discourse's basic UX model is fundamentally
> flawed. If we deploy discourse and roll it out, we *may* get new
> users, but as n
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM Pavel Raiskup wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:03:56 PM CEST Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> > Or should I do quick'n'dirty "if 'rawhide' in
> > os-release['REDHAT_BUGZILLA_PRODUCT_VERSION']" in our copr plugin?
>
> Or REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION.
>
> I'd simply
> On 19.10.2018 00:28, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> >
> > I'm still at a loss to why this is so. Would someone be able to shed
> > some light on this please?
That’s
https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/551
for bad old historical reasons the main directory rpmbuild works in is a
side-ef
On Fri, 2018-10-19 at 03:43 +, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> I'm open to all of those suggestions as well as committing to design and CSS
> work for them. I would need a web dev to help me though; I'm not great with
> Django.
>
> Please note, the reason Hyperkitty didn't cause this sort of thread or
(Adding fedora-devel on CC)
The question is not how to do it but if we should do it on the first place.
I was always under impression, that we don't want to show CLI apps in
Software. Not sure what was the reasoning behind, but I can imagine that:
* we don't want Python to show up in Software (f
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 00:52:51 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
>
> The debugsourcefiles.list is constructed from files in the current folder
> the build is in. In your case, that's the %{name}-%{commit} folder from
> %autosetup.
>
> Anything you create outside that folder is not included.
Ah, right-
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 10:16:48 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
> > On 19.10.2018 00:28, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm still at a loss to why this is so. Would someone be able to shed
> > > some light on this please?
>
> That’s
> https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/551
>
>
- Original Message -
> From: "Nicolas Mailhot"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Cc: "Fabio Valentini"
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:56:45 AM
> Subject: Re: PSA: builds using forge macros with tags broken on rawhide
>
> Le 2018-10-15 09:09, Fabio Valentini a é
Máirín,
On 2018-10-19 14:43, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I'm open to all of those suggestions as well as committing to design
and CSS work for them. I would need a web dev to help me though; I'm
not great with Django.
Please note, the reason Hyperkitty didn't cause this sort of thread or
honestly any
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 04:58 -0400, Jakub Cajka a écrit :
>
> And what about backing up the breaking change in Rawhide? At least
> until there is a backward compatible way of doing that(or it is
> backported in to the stable releases)?
We're talking about redhat-rpm-config there. No one wa
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 09:36, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> I was always under impression, that we don't want to show CLI apps in
> Software. Not sure what was the reasoning behind, but I can imagine that:
> * we don't want Python to show up in Software (for example)
Right, agreed.
> * screenshots of ter
So apparently, some CLI apps should probably go into Software, but how
are we going to decide that Vagrant and Powertop are fine while Python
and GCC are not?
Should we keep it upon individual maintainer discretion? Should we
somehow evaluate all the cases one by one?
V.
Dne 19. 10. 18 v 12:24
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:34:49PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> So apparently, some CLI apps should probably go into Software, but how
> are we going to decide that Vagrant and Powertop are fine while Python
> and GCC are not?
>
> Should we keep it upon individual maintainer discretion? Should we
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:38, Matthew Miller wrote:
> What about a "Command Line tools for Developers" section in Software?
We've got a developers top level, so I think a CLI tools subsection
would be fine.
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Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 11:48 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
> Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 04:58 -0400, Jakub Cajka a écrit :
> > And what about backing up the breaking change in Rawhide? At least
> > until there is a backward compatible way of doing that(or it is
> > backported in to the
Hey, my name is Kefu Chai, and my nick name on IRC is kefu.
I am a software developer using C++ and Python. I found that fmt[0] is a very
good C++ library for C++ developers like me who whats to have python's
str.format() in C++. But its package[1] was recently orphaned. I've been using
fedora
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 03:53:06AM -, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> But we can file bugs against Discourse and they will be magically and
> quickly fixed to our satisfaction, yes?
Of course not. However: development is very active.
https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master
> I'm concern
> On Thursday, 18 October 2018 at 23:04, Dominik wrote:
> [...]
>
> So, I tried to answer in one of the threads and it's quite difficult,
> in my opinion. The message compose pop-up doesn't quote the message
> I'm replying to, so I can't write my comments in response to specific
> passages by the
> On 2018-10-17 13:41, John Florian wrote:
>
> How does Discourse handle posts you've already read in a
> thread that's still active. With things like reddit or LWN, you get to
> read it over and over and over again if you really want to see whats new
> now.
It handles it very well.
You don't
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:39 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:34:49PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > So apparently, some CLI apps should probably go into Software, but how
> > are we going to decide that Vagrant and Powertop are fine while Python
> > and GCC are not?
> >
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 03:53:06AM -, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 11:27:02PM -, Ray Strode wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, all is not rosy there. See this thread on the users' list
> > from this fall about confusion with hyperkitty quoting:
> > https://lists.fedoraproject
Again, I believe some are trying to do an apples to apples comparison with
Discourse and mailing list technologies. Discourse was build from the
ground up with the goal of fostering communication and collaboration.
Hyperkitty is a bolt on HTML to mailing list archives. It's good for what
it is, b
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 4:26 AM Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 03:53:06AM -, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > But we can file bugs against Discourse and they will be magically and
> > quickly fixed to our satisfaction, yes?
>
> Of course not. However: development is very active.
> htt
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> Again, I believe some are trying to do an apples to apples comparison with
> Discourse and mailing list technologies. Discourse was build from the ground
> up with the goal of fostering communication and collaboration. Hyperkitty is
> a
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:43:48AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> That *completely* handicapped adoption of HyperKitty, because
> HyperKitty requires Mailman 3. What's worse, because it's almost
> impossible to run on RHEL due to the lack of Python 3 (which continues
> to anger and frustrate me), Red H
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:45 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> >
> > Again, I believe some are trying to do an apples to apples comparison
> with Discourse and mailing list technologies. Discourse was build from the
> ground up with the goal of foster
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:43:48AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> It's also bad for archiving, since threads are inherently unstable.
> Conversation splitting and merging is very awkward (as I've observed
> in the Snapcraft Discourse). I can keep going, but it doesn't matter,
> because you're dead set
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 14:55 +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé a écrit :
>
> I don't know why Red Hat's mailman impl isn't upgraded, but it is
> not blocked by lack of Python 3 on RHEL.
>
> Red Hat Software Collections have been providing Python 3.x versions
> that run on RHEL since ~2013. They ex
And if this conversation were in Discourse, we could simply move it to a
new topic ;-)
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:21 AM Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
> Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 14:55 +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé a écrit :
> >
> > I don't know why Red Hat's mailman impl isn't upgraded, but it is
>
# F29 Blocker Review meeting
# Date: 2018-10-22
# Time: 16:00 UTC
# Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net
Hey everyone,
We currently (as of 2018-10-18 at 22:00UTC) have 10 accepted blockers, 5
proposed freeze exceptions, and 11 accepted freeze exceptions. Let's take
Monday to revie
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:10:22AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I ... don't know how to engage constructively with this accusation, because
> it it seems to come from absolutely nowhere. Yes, we're *definitely* trying
> out Discourse. That's not a conspiracy — it's live! We're also trying out
> H
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:11 AM Matthew Miller
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:43:48AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > It's also bad for archiving, since threads are inherently unstable.
> > Conversation splitting and merging is very awkward (as I've observed
> > in the Snapcraft Discourse). I
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 07:28 -0700, Gerald B. Cox a écrit :
> And if this conversation were in Discourse, we could simply move it to
> a new topic ;-)
And if it where is discourse I would’t participate in it.
Basically, as others said, not interested in shiny tech that has no
notion of
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:41 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
>
> I'm not talking about you in the Fedora sense. I'm talking about
> Gerald and his saying "we must move everything to Discourse".
>
Oh really... I said that... perhaps you should take 5 seconds and read the
subject of the thread.
As far as
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:43 AM Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
> Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 07:28 -0700, Gerald B. Cox a écrit :
> > And if this conversation were in Discourse, we could simply move it to
> > a new topic ;-)
>
> And if it where is discourse I would’t participate in it.
>
> Basicall
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 5:39 PM Dridi Boukelmoune <
dridi.boukelmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 5:21 PM Rex Dieter wrote:
> >
> > Steam is currently available from rpmfusion, fwiw/fyi/ymmv :
> > https://pkgs.rpmfusion.org/cgit/nonfree/steam.git/
>
> It is, and as usual, thanks t
On Fr, 19.10.18 09:12, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >> (cross-posting to devel and desktop lists, ideally reply to both)
> >
> > Coincidentally, at All Systems Go! in Berlin last week I had some
> > discussions with kernel people about RLIMIT_NOFILE defaults. They
> > basically sug
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 07:54 -0700, Gerald B. Cox a écrit :
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:43 AM Nicolas Mailhot <
>
> You really should try it, you might like it. BTW, there are no ads in
> the Fedora Discourse instance, so
> not sure what you are talking about there. As far as email is
> c
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> Neal Gompa:
>> because you're dead set on this anyway.
> Matt Miller:
> I ... don't know how to engage constructively with this accusation, because
> it it seems to come from absolutely nowhere. Yes, we're *definitely* trying
This seems very tone de
Once upon a time, R P Herrold said:
> This seems very tone deaf and lacking in introspection, Matt
>
> perhaps by reading the subject line you chose to start this
> thread with
Matt didn't choose that - that subject was set by Gerald B. Cox.
--
Chris Adams
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:31 AM Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, R P Herrold said:
> > This seems very tone deaf and lacking in introspection, Matt
> >
> > perhaps by reading the subject line you chose to start this
> > thread with
>
> Matt didn't choose that - that subject was set by Gera
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:02:27PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:02 PM Lokesh Mandvekar
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 06:50:51PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm confused by this podman build. Especially so with my Packaging
> > > Committee
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:31 AM Chris Adams wrote:
>>
>> Once upon a time, R P Herrold said:
>> > This seems very tone deaf and lacking in introspection, Matt
>> >
>> > perhaps by reading the subject line you chose to start this
>> > thre
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:19:43PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> I'm more afraid that it'll be a success with casualties. In other
> words, it'll be a failure but not look like one at a glance. Driving
> people away and making it harder to keep track of topics of import is
> going to necessarily const
On 10/19/18 6:43 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>>
>> Again, I believe some are trying to do an apples to apples comparison with
>> Discourse and mailing list technologies. Discourse was build from the
>> ground up with the goal of fostering communi
On Fri, 2018-10-19 at 07:28 -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> And if this conversation were in Discourse, we could simply move it to a
> new topic ;-)
Some people see it as history rewriting ... one of the reasons I like
email is that *you* can't change stuff after the fact, because *I* have
it ar
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:40:18AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> I don't like saying this, but what it comes down to is that our
> relationship with RHEL has evolved into a one-sided affair. I wish
> someone who is empowered to do something about it would, but the rest
> of us can't.
>
> Frankly, I s
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:49:41AM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Oh really... I said that... perhaps you should take 5 seconds and read the
> subject of the thread.
Hey, let's please keep this friendly.
--
Matthew Miller
Fedora Project Leader
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:20 PM Lokesh Mandvekar wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:02:27PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:02 PM Lokesh Mandvekar
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 06:50:51PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm conf
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> > and GCC are not? > > > > Should we keep it upon individual maintainer
> discretion? Should
we > > somehow evaluate all the cases one by one? > > What about a
"Command Line tools for Develop
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, R P Herrold said:
> > This seems very tone deaf and lacking in introspection, Matt
> >
> > perhaps by reading the subject line you chose to start this
> > thread with
>
> Matt didn't choose that - that subject was set by Gerald B. Cox
OLD: Fedora-29-20181017.n.0
NEW: Fedora-29-20181018.n.1
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On 10/17/18 2:38 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 02:12:37PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 14:48:52 -0400,
>> "tonynel...@georgeanelson.com" wrote:
... For html only messages you would either need to reject them or rewrite
them, both
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20181018.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20181019.n.0
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:51:02PM -0500, Mátyás Selmeci wrote:
> On 10/17/18 2:38 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 02:12:37PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 14:48:52 -0400,
> >> "tonynel...@georgeanelson.com" wrote:
> ... For html only
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:58:57 -0700
"Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:31 AM Chris Adams wrote:
>
> > Once upon a time, R P Herrold said:
> > > This seems very tone deaf and lacking in introspection, Matt
> > >
> > > perhaps by reading the subject line you chose to start this
On 10/19/18 8:58 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Software is a tool for me. I don't get emotionally attached to it - as
some people apparently are. It's a bit telling that
many people seem to be afraid that Discourse will be a success.
I'm not emotionally attached to it, but I am somewhat afraid th
On Fri, 2018-10-19 at 13:05 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> For example, github and bugzilla work because they
> have full email messages. I don't have to go to the website to get
> the
> rest of the message.
You actually can reply to the e-mails from GitHub (not sure about
Bugzilla). They do threa
Re: teenagers and timelines, I'm just addressing the specific concerns that
were raised to me.
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:58 PM stan wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:58:57 -0700
> "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
> > Software is a tool for me. I don't get emotionally attached to it -
> > as some people apparently are. It's a bit telling that
> > many people seem to be afraid that Discourse will be a
> I just couldn't use it for day-to-day communication. Not necessarily any
> single thing, but lots and lots of fundamentals. How do I get a list of new
> threads? How do I get a list of threads I've read but which have new
> responses, and ideally show only the new responses? How can I mute a thr
I'm trying to build duperemove[1] for epel7[2], and it's building on
all the arches except aarch64.
I'm BR'ing libatomic, but the error it gives in build.log[3] for
aarch64 is:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -latomic
All current Fedora release builds were fine.
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious,
Gerald, I'm the person who designed Hyperkitty's concept on a napkin on a
shuttlebus with Luke Macken some years ago. Your characterization of it here is
incorrect.
I say this with respect, please try to listen more than you post. Hyperkitty
stats show you're dominating this conveesation.
~m
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No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 5/133 (x86_64), 1/24 (i386), 1/2 (arm)
ID: 298500 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso modularity_tests
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/298500
ID: 298513 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso base_services_start
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject
No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 11/133 (x86_64), 2/24 (i386), 1/2 (arm)
New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20181018.n.0):
ID: 298438 Test: x86_64 universal install_cyrillic_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/298438
Old failures (same test fai
On samedi 20 octobre 2018 00:31:50 CEST Jonathan Dieter wrote:
> I'm trying to build duperemove[1] for epel7[2], and it's building on
> all the arches except aarch64.
>
> I'm BR'ing libatomic, but the error it gives in build.log[3] for
> aarch64 is:
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -latomic
>
> All cur
On 10/19/18 6:19 PM, Robert-André Mauchin wrote:
> On samedi 20 octobre 2018 00:31:50 CEST Jonathan Dieter wrote:
>> I'm trying to build duperemove[1] for epel7[2], and it's building on
>> all the arches except aarch64.
>>
>> I'm BR'ing libatomic, but the error it gives in build.log[3] for
>> aarch
Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:31 AM Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, R P Herrold said:
> > > perhaps by reading the subject line you chose to start this
> > > thread with
> >
> > Matt didn't choose that - that subject was set by Gerald B. Cox.
> >
> > As I previousl
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