And if this conversation were in Discourse, we could simply move it to a new topic.... ;-)
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:21 AM Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote: > Le vendredi 19 octobre 2018 à 14:55 +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé a écrit : > > > > I don't know why Red Hat's mailman impl isn't upgraded, but it is > > not blocked by lack of Python 3 on RHEL. > > > > Red Hat Software Collections have been providing Python 3.x versions > > that run on RHEL since ~2013. They exist as add-on yum repos, > > Well that's another thing 200% broken in the current Fedora RHEL > universe (and I speak both with my Fedora contributor hat, and as > someone who was tasked with procuring RHEL systems in a fortune xxx > company not so long ago). > > The whole "but it's in an optional RHEL repo" just kills *any* form > RHEL/Fedora symbiosis. > > No one but RH knows what ends up in what optional repo for what reason, > they're ignored by Centos, it's completely impossible to push anything a > tad complex from Fedora to EPEL because it will depend on things RH > stashed away in an optional repo centos does not rebuild, and you're > forbidden to put a copy in EPEL because it may collide with the optional > repos, and so on. > > That's how we end up with the hilarious situation where the Go EPEL6 > stack is both newer and more complete than the Go EPEL7 stack because RH > vacuumed some Go packages in an optional EL7 repo and now it's > impossible to do anything Go-related in EPEL7. > > I'm sure the RH marketoïds *love* the optional repos, it's segmentation > market 101, but concretely? They're the kiss of death for anything in > Fedora that has enterprise applications, because almost no one is going > to bother contributing things in Fedora, that he needs enterprise-side, > if the result has zero chance of ending up in EPEL. > > The end result is that no one but RH contributes to EL optional repos, > and no one who is working on RH EL7 repos has the slightest interest in > integrating with Fedora since they do not see any stream of EPEL Fedora > contributions. > > Or, you end up deploying enterprise systems with your own private > rebuild of Fedora packages for EL, and you know what? At this point the > bean counters just ask “why are we paying $$$ to RH again, I see you > spend your time rebuilding Fedora packages, can't you use Debian if the > EL part of RHEL is useless?” > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas Mailhot > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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