Re: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management

2015-01-05 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Hedayat Vatankhah" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:42:01 PM > Subject: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management > Hi! > Summary: Try to prevent a package from being updated/installed from

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2015 um 06:18 schrieb Chris Murphy: On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Chris Murphy < wrote: There's already an application that does this, it's GNOME Packages or use yum/dnf. If this was the answer, there wouldn't be so many rep

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > On 02/01/15 11:42, Richard Hughes wrote: > > >> Because as of now, gnome-software just doesn't fit the workstation bill > > > > I think you're misunderstanding what most developers do. We probably > > spend about 10 minutes installing development packages (on the com

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Richard Hughes
On 5 January 2015 at 05:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > That is potentially one way to address it. I think it is somewhat confusing > to have two different interfaces for dealing with software I think if we do want to re-include a package UI into the ISO by default, we do need to do quite a bit of U

review-swap

2015-01-05 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
Hi, I'm happy to review a package in exchange for freeradius-client library: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1171129 regards, Nikos -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraprojec

Re: Blacklisting of Indian xkb layouts

2015-01-05 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 02:24 -0500, Anish Patil wrote: > Hi, > > We have xkb layouts and m17n input methods to type Indian languages and both > gets installed on GNOME by default. So it always creates confusion for uses > that which are input methods and xkb layouts. However with xkb layouts one

[perl-ExtUtils-Manifest] 1.70 bump

2015-01-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b9393df1e79516c51fcd5a652e4dc3f7b8d0f989 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jan 5 10:53:06 2015 +0100 1.70 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-ExtUtils-Manifest.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/01/15 10:04, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: - Original Message - That said, what about describing the developer usecase as a project, focusing on a user using both GUI and CLI tools? - Get the sources (if they exist). - Install a toolchain, GUI-based or not. - Install dependencies: -de

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/01/15 06:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That is potentially one way to address it. I think it is somewhat confusing to have two different interfaces for dealing with software and it also means that the additional metadata included in GNOME Software won't be available for command line utilities

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/01/15 10:18, Richard Hughes wrote: On 5 January 2015 at 05:25, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That is potentially one way to address it. I think it is somewhat confusing to have two different interfaces for dealing with software I think if we do want to re-include a package UI into the ISO by d

rawhide report: 20150105 changes

2015-01-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Jan 5 05:15:02 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [aeskulap] aeskulap-0.2.2-0.19beta1.fc22.i686 requires libofstd.so.3.6 aesku

F22 System Wide Change: GHC 7.8

2015-01-05 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: GHC 7.8 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GHC_7.8 Change owner(s): Jens Petersen , Ricky Elrod , Haskell_SIG Update the GHC Haskell compiler to the major new 7.8 release, and update/rebuild all Haskell packages against it. == Detailed Description == * Th

[POC-change] Fedora packages point of contact updates

2015-01-05 Thread nobody
Change in package status over the last 168 hours 0 packages were orphaned 5 packages were retired perl-Test-Tester [master] was retired by psabata Ease testing test modules built with Test::Bui

Orphaning python-psutil

2015-01-05 Thread Mohamed El Morabity
Hi, I've just orphaned python-psutil for rawhide, since none of my packages require it anymore. For potential packagers who'd like to take ownership of this package, be careful when updating to latest major version which breaks API (upstream: 2.1.3/fedora: 1.2.1); many packages depending on psutil

Re: Orphaning python-psutil

2015-01-05 Thread Jamie Duncan
I use it for several things. I'll dig through the upstream issues and pick it up if it's viable. Jamie Duncan, RHCE Senior Technical Account Manager Red Hat, Inc. jdun...@redhat.com w-804.343.6086 c-804.307.7079 tech support-888.GO.REDHAT - Original Message - From: "Mohamed El

Re: Orphaning python-psutil

2015-01-05 Thread Jamie Duncan
Yeah. I'll pick this up. Jamie Duncan, RHCE Senior Technical Account Manager Red Hat, Inc. jdun...@redhat.com w-804.343.6086 c-804.307.7079 tech support-888.GO.REDHAT - Original Message - From: "Jamie Duncan" To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" Sent: Monday, Ja

Re: allowing programs to open ports

2015-01-05 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > Björn Persson wrote: > > I bet! I worry that the questions would quickly become annoying. But if > > ports are going to be blocked by default, then there needs to be some > > way for non-sysadmin users to open them. > > No, why? The ports just need to be closed, pe

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > Also, if any UI changes need to happen, the time to talk to the > designers is NOW. Which designers? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Con

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Tomas Radej
On 05/01/15 10:04, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: - Original Message - On 02/01/15 11:42, Richard Hughes wrote: Because as of now, gnome-software just doesn't fit the workstation bill I think you're misunderstanding what most developers do. We probably spend about 10 minutes installing dev

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, > Am 02.01.2015 um 21:05 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > > Here, GUIs _as a category_ (not necessarily the GUIs we are currently > > providing) should always be better than CLIs _as a category_ simply > > because the GUI can in the worst case just copy the CLI layout and > > behavior so it will no

Re: trusted apps and trusted networks (was: 5tFTW: Fedora 21, 22, and 19, firewall discussion, and holiday break)

2015-01-05 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 23:24 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > User A wants to be notified of all programs opening ports even if he is > > going to whitelist them. > > User B does not want to be notified and could care less about security. > > etc. > > User C does not

review swap request

2015-01-05 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Hello: I want to bring back cairo-dock back to Fedora, which was removed on Feb 2009 from Fedora and need re-review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178911 cairo-dock https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178912 cairo-dock-plug-ins cairo-dock-plug-ins depends on cairo-dock. I

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 January 2015 at 09:09, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello, > > Am 02.01.2015 um 21:05 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > > > Here, GUIs _as a category_ (not necessarily the GUIs we are currently > > > providing) should always be better than CLIs _as a category_ simply > > > because the GUI can in the wors

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 02/01/15 21:05, Miloslav Trmač wrote: - Original Message - well, and that is why there are tasks you *can * do 1000 times more better in a terminal or in a 3-liner shell script with one or two params and others where you are much faster using the GUI this world is grey hence everybo

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/01/15 17:35, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Here in the fourth world USA, we aren't actually seeing a decrease in slow lines but an increase as the oligarchy in control of networks is figuring out ways to advertise faster speeds but actually only deliver much slower ones. You can get 200 MB i

Re: Screen low resolution

2015-01-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sat, 2015-01-03 at 12:41 +0100, gil wrote: > xrandr --verbose > xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default > Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 > default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 (0x17c) normal (normal) 0mm x 0mm Typically this means you're us

[perl-MCE/el6] 1.522 bump

2015-01-05 Thread Petr Šabata
Summary of changes: 6b9976a... 1.522 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2015 um 17:09 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: but you can't and won't use the GUI the same way on remote machines over slow lines Those slow lines are disappearing, and will be pretty rare by the time we get any UI design finished and polished sorry, but that is nonsense my home internet

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Alec Leamas: I don't envy how the political climate on your continent has affected this for you. However, connecting to the top of this sub-thread, for the Fedora Workstation usecase this is not necessarily that bad - a developer works normally with local tools, al

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/01/15 19:10, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.01.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Alec Leamas: I don't envy how the political climate on your continent has affected this for you. However, connecting to the top of this sub-thread, for the Fedora Workstation usecase this is not necessarily that bad - a deve

Re: Screen low resolution

2015-01-05 Thread gil
Il 05/01/2015 17:58, Adam Jackson ha scritto: On Sat, 2015-01-03 at 12:41 +0100, gil wrote: xrandr --verbose xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 (0x17c) normal (normal)

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
> While I think you are right in some cases like cashier, isn't this > discussion really about the Fedora Workstation?! Since for this the > target user is a developer, can we just agree that in this case the user > needs both CLI and GUI apps (although some developers certainly sticks > to one of

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread DJ Delorie
> and developers deserve a better environment. No, developers deserve the environment they ask for, not what someone else thinks is "better". -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.or

Re: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management

2015-01-05 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Radek Holy */ wrote on Mon, 5 Jan 2015 03:03:30 -0500 (EST): *From: *"Hedayat Vatankhah" *To: *"Development discussions related to Fedora" *Sent: *Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:42:01 PM *Subject: *

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2015 um 19:36 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: While I think you are right in some cases like cashier, isn't this discussion really about the Fedora Workstation?! Since for this the target user is a developer, can we just agree that in this case the user needs both CLI and GUI apps (although som

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
(on CLI) > > and developers deserve a better environment. > > No, developers deserve the environment they ask for, not what someone > else thinks is "better". There are aspects of the shell that are a matter of pure preference, like syntax coloring. There are aspects where personal preference o

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> While I think you are right in some cases like cashier, isn't this >> discussion really about the Fedora Workstation?! Since for this the >> target user is a developer, can we just agree that in this case the user >> needs both CLI and GUI

ocaml-menhir license change

2015-01-05 Thread Jerry James
The main package used to have license: (QPL with exceptions) and (LGPLv2+ with exceptions) In the new 20141215 version just built for Rawhide, the LGPLv2+ with exceptions part is now confined to the -devel subpackage, so the main package license has changed to just: QPL with exceptions which is

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-05 Thread Chuck Rolke
> Still there is a ton of things that are trivial with CLI and surprisingly > hard without it. Not all of them are geeky or developy: just the other day, I > was looking at an SD card from my camera; the JPEGS were in a standard DCIM > directory, but the video files were hidden under multiple le

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Richard Hughes
On 5 January 2015 at 15:23, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Which designers? I'd prefer either aday or jimmac in #gnome-design as they did most of the original designs, but Mo and Ryan also know the UX well. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

[Test-Announce] 2015-01-07 @ 1600 UTC ** Fedora 22 Blocker Review Meeting

2015-01-05 Thread Mike Ruckman
# First F22 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2015-01-07 # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net While it's not the usual time to start blocker reviews, after much deliberation at today's QA meeting, it was decided to start the blocker review process earlier than usua

Re: Migration to Zanata

2015-01-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:41:10AM -0500, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 03:13:59PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > > Hi Fedora developers > > > > Having the consensus with FESCo [1], we FLP (aka translation team) have > > started the process of migration to new fedora.zanata.org

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > I'd prefer either aday or jimmac in #gnome-design as they did most of > the original designs, but Mo and Ryan also know the UX well. > > Pinged jimmac and ryan on that channel. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Orphaned packages

2015-01-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I've just orphaned the following packages: msr-tools isic ip6sic x86info pmtools Please feel free to become the new point of contact on them if you like. kevin pgpmaG1Jvcwpb.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapr

Re: Orphaning python-psutil

2015-01-05 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On 01/05/2015 09:40 PM, Jamie Duncan wrote: > Yeah. I'll pick this up. > FYI - I've built 2.1.3 for Rawhide only - because it's blocking the update of glances. Because of the API change this change should likely target F22 and not be pushed to the stable releases. Best regards, -- Michel Alexan

Re: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management

2015-01-05 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Hedayat Vatankhah" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 7:50:27 PM > Subject: Re: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management > Radek Holy wrote on Mon, 5 Jan 2015 03:03:30 -0500 (EST): > > - O