----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hedayat Vatankhah" <hedayat....@gmail.com> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 7:50:27 PM > Subject: Re: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management
> Radek Holy <rh...@redhat.com> wrote on Mon, 5 Jan 2015 03:03:30 -0500 (EST): > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Hedayat Vatankhah" <hedayat....@gmail.com> > > > > > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:42:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: Yet another frustration with Fedora package management > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Summary: Try to prevent a package from being updated/installed from > > > repositories regardless of the package management tool you use. As it > > > seems, > > > then only way you can do this is to exclude it from the repositories > > > themselves inside their configuration file in /etc/yum.repos.d/, because > > > these are the only common settings between all three > > > (yum/dnf/PackageKit). > > > TBH, I'm not sure about PackageKit, but I feel that it don't read > > > /etc/dnf/dnf.conf as it doesn't use DNF but its backends. This is fine if > > > the package is in a single known repository, but what if it is in 3 > > > repositories that you might not be aware of all of them? > > > > > > More details: > > > > > > As you might already know, nvidia drivers in RPMFusion F21 repositories > > > doesn't work for all nvidia cards. In one system, I finally installed > > > akmod-nvidia from RPMFusion F20 repositories which worked fine. Soon > > > after > > > I > > > realized that I should exclude akmod-nvidia and dependencies from F21 > > > repositories. I added "exclude=*nvidia*" to /etc/yum.conf as I was lazy > > > to > > > check which repository these packages come from. But then I noticed that > > > dnf > > > doesn't consider it excluded. Then I thought that probably PackageKit > > > doesn't use dnf.conf too. So, how should I excluded these packages? Well, > > > these were in rpmfusion-nonfree-updates repository, so I added the > > > exclude > > > directive there. Then I found that I should add it to rpmfusion-nonfree > > > repository too. However, since I use yum-plugin-local I also have a local > > > repository (I actually copied the repository from another system, so it > > > was > > > enabled on this system so that I could install software from it) which > > > also > > > included these packages. Therefore, I should exclude "*nvidia*" in 3 > > > repository configuration files to make sure (hopefully!) that these will > > > not > > > be installed by any package manager I know. > > > > > > Suggestion: Please add a single configuration file to configure common > > > package manager options (Specially between DNF and PackageKit, which are > > > there to stay). As I mentioned in "F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 > > > places!" thread, Fedora package management should be consistent and > > > integrated; and the current situation is really frustrating. If I want to > > > exclude some packages, I should be able to do it once for all. If I want > > > to > > > disable automatic download of metadata/packages, there should be a single > > > place where I can define my desired package management policy. If I want > > > to > > > specify default metadata_expire timeout for all repositories, there > > > should > > > be one place to do it. There really should be a single package management > > > policy that must be respected by every package manager in Fedora, > > > specially > > > the main ones: DNF and PackageKit (and currently Yum). > > > > > Hi, I understand the frustration. On the other hand, I personally hate > > anything that is centralized. Just an idea: what about a simple modular > > tool > > (maybe installed by default) which would be able to set options like this > > at > > all the places? Potentially it could be able to synchronize a subset of > > settings between given programs. > > While I prefer the centralized approach (and also consider your approach > still a centralized one), but whatever works is fine with me. Yes, it's also kind of centralized :-) However this tool does not necessarily have to be the only tool that can do this task. That's why I consider it the best (aka the least centralized) solution *I* can think of. Anyway, is there a similar problem in a different area that was already solved in Fedora somehow? -- Radek Holý Associate Software Engineer Software Management Team Red Hat Czech
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