Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 24/07/13 11:50, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Thought's comment flames? To me, crowd sourcing seems to work because it's about some exciting new technology that people have to have and it's the only way to have it. There's a buzz, an excitement that needs to light up twitter in order to get

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more organizations like Red Hat. I gave the quick answer "through donations" since I was not in mood to

Re: LXDE and Razor-qt

On 07/24/2013 04:53 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi list, FYI, as this link[1] announced, 2 desktops have been merged into one. Razor-qt just got in Fedora in April, what shall we do next? Early days yet (nothing has been released as yet?), but I imagine it will be up to the current razorqt mai

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-24)

On 07/23/2013 07:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:23:20PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: #topic #1136 F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary .fesco 1136 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1136 Is th

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more organizations like Red Hat. I gave the quick answer

Re: Porting some packages from Russian Fedora

On 22/07/13 05:04 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: I'm more curious why there are packages at a Fedora downstream that aren't on the main Fedora repositories. Are these non free? If Russian Fedora is a remix that uses packages that are not in Fedora, especially non free ones, it should be following the t

[perl-Perlbal-XS-HTTPHeaders] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-ExtUtils-CChecker] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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Re: Porting some packages from Russian Fedora

2013/7/24 Luya Tshimbalanga : > On 22/07/13 05:04 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: >> >> >> I'm more curious why there are packages at a Fedora downstream that >> aren't on the main Fedora repositories. Are these non free? >> >> If Russian Fedora is a remix that uses packages that are not in Fedora, >> espec

[perl-XML-Simple] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:46:30PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:00:46PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:15:32PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > However for some reason I can't

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:28:20AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 18:15 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:57:50PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > So this thread is comp

[perl-Config-Extend-MySQL] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit 140652d30ab4242cf5b44d39c27c5908c0cc61c7 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Jul 24 11:19:26 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-Config-Extend-MySQL.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Config-Extend-MySQL.spec b/perl-Config-Extend-MySQL.

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

Dne 24.7.2013 06:32, Toshio Kuratomi napsal(a): On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 02:40:56AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: The problem is that you're basically saying "my mental model is the right one", which is not necessarily true for everyone (and not necessarily true generally). Taking your arguments

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Monday 22 July 2013 20:18:04 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:14:32AM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: > > BTW: nobody ever answered how desktop users are supposed to read the > > > > output of their cron-jobs (they don't have permissions to read logs). > > They do have permiss

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Tuesday 23 July 2013 02:34:25 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 23.07.13 03:14, Oron Peled (o...@actcom.co.il) wrote: > > BTW: nobody ever answered how desktop users are supposed to read the > > output of their cron-jobs (they don't have permissions to read logs). > Actually, if you'd lo

[perl-MARC-XML] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit 00bcb535bd499da3c4beba3a5d4f1e28f67c8e6b Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Jul 24 11:53:39 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-MARC-XML.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-MARC-XML.spec b/perl-MARC-XML.spec index 4c49ee6..2f6b938 10064

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more organizations like Red Hat. I gave the quick answer

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:17:14AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:46:30PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:00:46PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said: > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:15:32

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

On 07/24/2013 02:33 AM, Tony Breeds wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:01:51PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 2013-07-23 08:04, Ralf Corsepius wrote: For similar purposes, I have been using the CSV table returned by "https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/lists/bugzilla?tg_format=plain"; I am do

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

On 07/23/2013 07:47 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: > On 2013-07-22 18:55, Thomas Moschny wrote: >> >> Maybe you could use searchco.de in some creative way? >> http://searchcode.com/?q=url%3Afedora+ext%3Aspec+docdir > > Thanks for the pointer -- but what makes that less useful than it could > be is that

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-24)

- Original Message - > On 07/23/2013 07:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:23:20PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > >> #topic #1136 F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture - > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary > >> .fesco 1136 > >

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:08:41AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:17:14AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:46:30PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:00:46PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > Richard W.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 19:33, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > Am 22.07.2013 18:29, schrieb Lennart Poettering: > > If you want to centralize system configuration, rather then services, > > then go ahead and do, that, but actually centralize *the configuration*, > > not the service. In pa

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On 07/23/2013 10:18 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: As a part of cronie upstream I should probably answer. Cron was patched long time ago to log into syslog if mail can't be send. There is also option for using syslog by default. Should we change cron to be using syslog by default if this featu

File Net-Server-2.007.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-Server: b256c35a18caecc8fce9e6e1f2825658 Net-Server-2.007.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailma

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Tue, 23.07.13 04:03, Oron Peled (o...@actcom.co.il) wrote: > > > Cron was already mentioned, but every one seem to ignore the fact that > > > regular users don't have permission to read system logs. > > > > journald actually splits out user logs and use filesystem ACLs to ensure > > that the u

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/23/2013 09:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function > in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one > or more organizations like Red Hat. > > I gave the quick

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Tue, 23.07.13 11:52, Billy Crook (billycr...@gmail.com) wrote: > Default should include what people 'generally expect of a GNU+Linux > system' -- and that includes an MTA. It should include a syslog, and > it should include screen too for that matter. This is the "let's do this out of traditi

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On 07/24/2013 01:11 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/23/2013 10:18 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: As a part of cronie upstream I should probably answer. Cron was patched long time ago to log into syslog if mail can't be send. There is also option for using syslog by default. Should we

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 13:11, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > The second part of my mail that you conveniently removed actually > explains why that doesn't work: because the SASL auth is inherently > per-user configuration but in sendmail you can configure it only > globally for the client side.

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-24)

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 07/23/2013 07:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:23:20PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: >>> >>> #topic #1136 F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture - >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/A

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora > that would just be ludicrous so we need to apply that concept upon > the entire project, as in Fedora would be just a one crowd founded > project. The

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 02:40:56AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: >> >> The problem is that you're basically saying "my mental model is the right >> one", which is not necessarily true for everyone (and not necessarily true >> generally). Ta

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 13:39, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > This is particularly a bad argument as most Linux distribution > installations do not include an MTA anymore (Ubuntu is substantially > more popular than Fedora, and not just on the desktop). There's enough > reason to believe that the

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:25:31PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/23/2013 11:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >you claimed more than once that they are a less woth part of the community > >because they get paid for their work and are not completly free in their > >doings > > Yes not be

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: While I*am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this, I think you may have missed the real point I was trying to make there, which also ties back to the original purpose of that thread. Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other distributio

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora that would just be ludicrous so we need to apply that concept upon the entire project, as in Fedora would

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

- Original Message - > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 02:40:56AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > > > The problem is that you're basically saying "my mental model is the right > > one", which is not necessarily true for everyone (and not necessarily true > > generally). Taking your arguments a b

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > >>Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora > >>that would just be

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 12:49 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every movi

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On 07/22/2013 05:36 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Also, cronie will split up the messages by line anyway if it logs to syslog instead of sendmail. That sounds particularly horrible for concurrent cron jobs that would thus have their output interleaved in the log. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2013 08:31 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> While I *am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this, >> I think you may have missed the real point I was trying to make >> there,

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-24)

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, We should probably discuss mass rebuild status/timing as well. Mirek -- devel mailing list devel

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: This is a draft of the proposal I'm presenting at Flock, "An Architecture for a More Agile Fedora" (). It represents a big change to how we as the Fedora project put together our distribution. I've gone through several drafts

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

Dne 22.7.2013 18:29, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" napsal(a): As for cruft in the spec files, why not bring a proposal to the FPC to update the packaging guidelines stating that Fedora spec files must not contain RHEL/EPEL macros? Then the git branches would be maintained separately and the spec file

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> Other for the fact that this would allow everyone to contribute to >> the project not just Red Hat which in turn would make us less >> depended on it ( or they spending money on us from their point of >> view ). >> > > My understanding i

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 02:11:18PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 13:11, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > > > The second part of my mail that you conveniently removed actually > > explains why that doesn't work: because the SASL auth is inherently > > per-user configuratio

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: >> >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> > >> >>Obvious we cannot have crowd

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" píše v St 24. 07. 2013 v 10:01 +: > On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: > > > On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function > > > in > > > any way similarly to how it does now w

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > My understanding is that Fedora is registered as a non-profit > organization in the United States which I believe allows for anyone to > donate to it *today* if they so chose. The fact that the only > donations we see are *time* rather th

Bundling (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

New thread to get clear of some of the flames and wreckage... On 07/23/2013 05:25 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:34:15PM -0400, Peter MacKinnon wrote: Well, compat libraries are certainly an option but I view that as a tactical solution to an institutional, um, challenge

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 01:23 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2013 08:31 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: While I *am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this, I think you may have missed t

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >> We would need to form a financial sig that handles that. > > > > Are these people going to be paid fo

[Bug 981398] perl-App-cpanminus-1.6927 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=981398 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC|

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> Here, done, time elapsed: 1 min googling. > Great. But does this really solve anything except refuting the most > immediate statement by Lennart, taken out of context? 'Context' does not ameliorate a foundation of false statem

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> >> We would need to form a financial sig

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 15:58, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek a écrit : > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 02:11:18PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 13:11, Lennart Poettering a écrit : >> >> > The second part of my mail that you conveniently removed actually >> > explains why that d

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Lennart Poettering writes: > [...] essentially boils down to "I hate change". Which is an OK > opinion to have, but certainly not four Fedora, where the four Fs > mean "Freedom, Friends, Features, First". The "First" indicates that > we should be pioneers, and *not* the guys who never change bec

Re: Bundling (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 16:17, Peter MacKinnon a écrit : > A generalization which I would disagree with in the Java space. I think > many projects > eventually reach "steady-state" where they have acquired the set of dep > bundles > they need to satisfy their runtime and test requirements. For exa

Bruno will be on vacation for a week and a half.

I'm going to be going to the WBC this weekend and will be getting back after a bit more than a week. I'll have crappy internet access while I'm there and should be able to keep a lookout for urgent issues. I should be back in time to handle branching spin-kickstarts for Fedora branch. I don't

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 02:08 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: But let me add a link to this discussion: http://opensource.com/business/13/7/donations-open-source-projects I think I've got some experience with how open source projects work and there is a lot of truth in that article. From an opensource perspect

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote: Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know. And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather than money is because in order to contribute money requires one to send a check made out to Red Hat and I don't think Re

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote: >> >> Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know. >> And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather >> than money is because in order to contribu

Re: EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

Probably because no one has tested it yet? Feel free to test it and leave karma in bodhi. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Ibrahim Yurtseven wrote: > On 23.07.2013 21:41, upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: > > Age URL > > 457 >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Am 24.07.2013 13:11, schrieb Lennart Poettering: > On Mon, 22.07.13 19:33, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > >> Am 22.07.2013 18:29, schrieb Lennart Poettering: >>> If you want to centralize system configuration, rather then services, >>> then go ahead and do, that, but actually ce

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Am 24.07.2013 15:58, schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 02:11:18PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 13:11, Lennart Poettering a écrit : >> >>> The second part of my mail that you conveniently removed actually >>> explains why that doesn't work

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I gave the quick answer "through donations" Reading through this thread, it seems to me that you are wanting to change something you don't understand. While I am not a RH employee, I have been deeply involved in FOSS, including D

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: >> I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to > > $20? It's going to be a long road! 25,000 to 50,000 of those could get us started. John -- devel mailing list

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 03:24 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: The best I can suggest is: build that funding source, and get it to grow to an important size_without_ messing with RH as a sponsor. The cost of running Fedora is likely to be huge. Fundraising is incredibly hard, and generally fails. None ever su

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to $20? It's going to be a long road! 25,000 to 50,000 of those could get us start

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote: > >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff > > wrote: > >>On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > >> wrote: > >>>I as a donor donating $20 would like those t

Following MPI packaging guidelines

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. I'm editing .spec file of MUMPS package to conform it to the MPI packaging guidelines (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:MPI). I have a modest experience in this particular case so I need some suggestions. This is initial .spec file of

Re: Bundling (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On 07/24/2013 11:03 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 16:17, Peter MacKinnon a écrit : A generalization which I would disagree with in the Java space. I think many projects eventually reach "steady-state" where they have acquired the set of dep bundles they need to satisfy their

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: I as a donor do

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > It's tempting to carry this argument too far. We can be first with > good new ideas; first with experimental stuff; first with additions. > We need not be first with bad ideas (and discussions here are a way of > figuring out good from ba

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> >>> On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff >>

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On 07/15/2013 10:36 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail > > Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering , Matthew > Miller > > No longer install an MTA by default. (Specifically let's remove sendmai

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer for a large portion of the budget. Why is it not public any reason why we the community cannot know how much we cost? T

Re: Following MPI packaging guidelines

On 24/07/13 05:04 PM, Antonio Trande wrote: This phrase in MPI guidelines is little clear for me: "Software that supports MPI MUST be packaged also in serial mode [i.e. no MPI], if it is supported by upstream." What does mean "serial mode" ? :) "Serial" in this case means "non-parallel", runn

[Bug 983001] perl-XML-LibXSLT-1.81 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=983001 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" >> wrote: >> The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer >> for a large portion of the budget. > > > Wh

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > The infrastructure cost ( with the exception of any paid manpower ) is what > sets the baseline for host/run and that cost is what would determine the > infra/hosting tax % or at least gives a number for a minimum we would need > to

Fedora ARM Weekly Status Meeting 2013-07-24

Good day all, Please join us today (Wednesday, July 24th) at 4PM EDT (8PM UTC) for the Fedora ARM weekly status meeting in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. On the agenda so far.. 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 1) Problem packages 2) Kernel Status Update 3) Aarch64 - Status

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 07:35:42AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other distributions (and to > closed-source platforms). Do we actually know that this is the case? The statistics wiki page does show a drop of total repository connections around Fedora 15 but sl

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On 07/24/2013 05:18 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:28:20AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 18:15 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:57:50PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Adam Wi

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On 07/24/2013 01:36 PM, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 07/24/2013 05:18 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:28:20AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 18:15 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:57:50PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) said: > But the qemu-kvm binary can still run in TCG mode - you don't need to > install the QEMU emulators too. So your dep could be > >%ifarch %{ix86} x86_64 >Requires: libvirt-daemon-kvm >= 0.10.2-3 >%else >Requires: libvirt-dae

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On 07/24/2013 05:02 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: So all you can do is gather the core metrics for utility use... cpu/band/storage... and with those metrics in hand price what it would take to build and run a koji builder in the public cloud as a starting point and plan your initial crowdsourcing campai

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-07-25 16:00 UTC)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2013-07-25 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Note that there was no meeting last week, and that time constraints will probably prevent us from getting through the entire volume of new business t

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/24/2013 05:02 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: >> >> So all you can do is gather the core metrics for utility use... >> cpu/band/storage... and with those metrics in hand price what it would >> take to build and run a koji builder in t

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Agree that's one way of figuring out but ( share number of > servers/cpu/storage ) honestly i would have thought the infrastructure team > would already know this. Well, luckily you never have to know everything before you start h

Self Introduction

Hello, my name is Marcus and I am 32 years old, working as senior system engineer and life in Germany. My focus is on monitoring and automation in data center enviroments. I am using linux since 2000 and have tried nearly all main distributions. I choose fedora because of the integration of new te

Re: Self Introduction

Am Mittwoch, den 24.07.2013, 20:53 +0200 schrieb Marcus Asshauer: > Hello, > > > my name is Marcus and I am 32 years old, working as senior system > engineer and life in Germany. My focus is on monitoring and automation > in data center enviroments. I am using linux since 2000 and have tried > ne

Re: Self Introduction

Hi Marcus, welcome to the free side of the force; welcome to Fedora ;) I wonder if you've already read our documentation about packaging, if not, this links can be helpful for you https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines https:

Re: Self Introduction

Hello Marcus! Welcome to the Fedora community! - Chris >>> Marcus Asshauer 7/24/2013 2:53 PM >>> Hello, my name is Marcus and I am 32 years old, working as senior system engineer and life in Germany. My focus is on monitoring and automation in data center enviroments. I am using linux since

Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2013-07-24)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-07-24) === Meeting started by mmaslano at 18:00:37 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-24/fesco.2013-07-24-18.00.log.html . Meeting summary

[perl-Params-Validate] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit 9cc50295cf09b6dc0b178734f97e24c8166d7304 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Jul 24 22:42:42 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-Params-Validate.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Params-Validate.spec b/perl-Params-Validate.spec index f

[perl-mogilefs-server] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-PDF-API2] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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