Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > drago01 wrote: >> The times where javascript is only used for some fancy effects are >> long over ... welcome to 2010 ;) > > Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. Why should we promote this > behavior? It is a vehicle for proprietary s

rawhide report: 20100816 changes

2010-08-16 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Aug 16 08:15:07 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Linux Release

2010-08-16 Thread M A Young
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: > ... > So I'd suggest to use a > currently supported Fedora release (12 or 13) with the unofficial Dom0 > kernel RPMs out there (built for F12, I don't know if they work on F13). The kernel seems to work okay on F13 and even F14, though I haven't tested

How to customize RMP functionality

2010-08-16 Thread Saravanan S
Hi all, I am working o a project that sets up packages on the cloud. I need to find a package manager that can be customized, like feature to install dependancy on a remote machine(cloud instance). like if i want to install Package1 which needs pkg1-dep1, pkg1-dep2, pkg1-dep2-dep1, pkg1-dep2-dep3

[Bug 624308] Package pre-dates the discovery of fire.

2010-08-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624308 --- Comment #4 from David Fetter 2010-08-16 09:15:40 EDT --- Thanks a bunch :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.c

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Brandon Lozza
I've already seen websites exploit firefox tabs and they made use of my gmail account to send spam. Why should we make firefox easier to exploit? On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:07 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Kevin Kofler > wrote: > > drago01 wrote: > >> The times where jav

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Brandon Lozza
> > > By your logic we should ban gcc, java, mono, python, perl, bash ... as > one can use them to create and/or run non free software. > > Also you may be aware that javascript has its uses *outside* of the > web too (just like you can write apps in python you can do it in JS; > and having a JIT t

RE: How to customize RMP functionality

2010-08-16 Thread pinto.e...@gmail.com
-Original Message- From: Saravanan S Sent: 16/08/2010, 15:11 To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: How to customize RMP functionality Hi all, I am working o a project that sets up packages on the cloud. I need to find a package manager that can be customized, like feature to inst

RE: How to customize RMP functionality

2010-08-16 Thread pinto.e...@gmail.com
-Original Message- From: Saravanan S Sent: 16/08/2010, 15:11 To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: How to customize RMP functionality Hi all, I am working o a project that sets up packages on the cloud. I need to find a package manager that can be customized, like feature to inst

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-16 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 19:57 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 19:05 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > * Version updates, the very ones you complain about, brought that 4.0 up to > > 4.1 and later 4.2. I used F9 on my main machine from F8's EOL up to F9's > > EOL. F9 with KDE 4.2

Broken dependencies: perl-Config-Model

2010-08-16 Thread buildsys
perl-Config-Model has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) >= 0:0.303 On i386: perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) >= 0:0.303 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedor

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2010-08-16 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) Please resolve this as soon as po

Re: systemd shutdown surprise

2010-08-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 04:36:40PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624149 Thanks, Lennart, for working on this promptly. -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied S

assigning of abrt crashes

2010-08-16 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, I'd like to propose a general rule that ABRT crash logs should remain "assigned" to the actual application, unless an actual investigation has been done and there's a "reasonable" certainty the flaw is in the library code in which it happened to crash. Rationale: Applications are more likely

[Bug 624308] Package pre-dates the discovery of fire.

2010-08-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=624308 Iain Arnell changed: What|Removed |Added ---

[Bug 604909] [virt-top] Translations for Fedora 14

2010-08-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=604909 --- Comment #2 from Geert Warrink 2010-08-16 11:10:29 EDT --- Created attachment 438974 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attac

F-14 Branched report: 20100816 changes

2010-08-16 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Aug 16 13:15:18 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- CGAL-3.6.1-1.fc14.i686 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0 CGAL-3.6.1-1.fc14.x86_64 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.1.41.0()(64bit) LuxRender-0

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 00:32 +0200, Sven Lankes wrote: > Hi, > > despite the occasional flamewar and useless argumentation the fedora- > mailinglist (and especially the high-traffic 'devel' list) I find that > the mailinglist is one of the more pleasant FLOSS related mailinglist to > read. This pro

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Jones
On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>> "BN" == Bill Nottingham writes: >> >> BN> I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we >> BN> started to actually *have* release criteria to test against. We >> BN> did

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: > So I've kept my voice out of this... and hopefully, now that you know that > it's not just hte KDE SIG, I can go back to doing so again. ... how does that help? You've mentioned that you don't like 'this change' ... which part of it are you referring

[Bug 616128] .desktop menu entry has wrong/missing categories

2010-08-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=616128 --- Comment #8 from Fedora Update System 2010-08-16 13:35:47 EDT --- mldonkey-3.0.3-1.el5 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 5

[Bug 589261] amending values of log_to_syslog = true; log_file = "/dev/null" in config causes nothing, values get reverted

2010-08-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=589261 --- Comment #8 from Fedora Update System 2010-08-16 13:35:42 EDT --- mldonkey-3.0.3-1.el5 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 5

[Bug 623627] Error: Missing Dependency: kde-filesystem is needed by package konqueror-mldonkey-ed2k-support-3.0.2-1.el5.i386 (epel)

2010-08-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623627 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System 2010-08-16 13:35:52 EDT --- mldonkey-3.0.3-1.el5 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 5

Re: More python 2.7 fun: deprecation of PyCObject API

2010-08-16 Thread David Malcolm
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 21:57 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:24:07PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 19:38 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:20:51PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > > > > Possible ways forward: > > > > (a)

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Mike McGrath
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > >>> "BN" == Bill Nottingham writes: > >> > >> BN> I can't help but note that the slips have become more frequent as we > >> BN> started to actually

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-16 Thread Sven Lankes
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:32:46AM +0200, Sven Lankes wrote: > I would like to add something similar to the following to the "If You > Are Replying to a Message" part in the wiki: > > The fact that you're sending the email from a smart-phone or similar > device doesn't invalidate those gu

Re: More python 2.7 fun: deprecation of PyCObject API

2010-08-16 Thread David Malcolm
On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 19:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:20:51PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > > (Sorry about the length of this email) > > > > Python 2.7 deprecated the PyCObject API in favor of a new "capsule" API. > > http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.h

Re: More python 2.7 fun: deprecation of PyCObject API

2010-08-16 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 14:19 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 19:42 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:20:51PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote: [snip] > Porting to the capsule API, I believe the code needs to look something > like this (caution: untested)

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 01:06:46PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > > > On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > > > > >>> "BN" == Bill Nottingham writes: > > >> > > >> BN> I can't help but not

Re: [Test-Announce] Call for testing: F14 Alpha RC3/RC4 with Radeon graphics adapters

2010-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 11:22 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: > Hi, > > I have an ATI Mobility Radeon X300 based laptop (x86) and tried to > boot the boot.iso by using livecd-iso-to-disk but the installer could > not see the image (CD/DVD not present, other options NFS, local disk - > not including the

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Jones
On 08/16/2010 02:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > >> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>> > "BN" == Bill Nottingham writes: BN> I can't help but note that the slips have become

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-17)

2010-08-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #topic #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351 #topic #382 Imp

Re: More python 2.7 fun: deprecation of PyCObject API

2010-08-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 02:03:51PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 21:57 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:20:51PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > > If this is okay, then I'd modify your point (a) to be this plan: > > > > When code that turns all wa

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Mike McGrath
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > On 08/16/2010 02:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > > > >> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>> > > "BN" == Bill Nottingham writes: > >

Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-08-16 Thread John Poelstra
Start End Name Wed 18-Aug Wed 18-Aug Fedora 14 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (17:00 EST) Wed 18-Aug Fri 20-Aug Build F-14 collection packages for all language translators Thu 19-Aug Thu 19-Aug Start Stage & Sync Alpha to Mirrors Thu 19-Aug Tue 24-Aug Stage & Sync Alpha to Mirrors Fr

Checkout entire release with git

2010-08-16 Thread Orion Poplawski
Is it possible to checkout an entire Fedora release now with git? I used to have a checkout of the "devel" branch which was useful for grepping all of the spec files. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9

Re: Checkout entire release with git

2010-08-16 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/16/10 1:38 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > Is it possible to checkout an entire Fedora release now with git? I used to > have a checkout of the "devel" branch which was useful for grepping all of > the > spec files. Not without some scripting.

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 14:18 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > I think this is worth further discussion. If the number is towards the > 48-63 days level and that's what window people are actually doing > development that may be a problem because it is an extremely short time > period. > > It's also in

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 02:10:16PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > As I mentioned briefly on IRC, I think the problem is that we're kinda > stuck between two models: [snip] > > For instance, right now, according to the Ideal Plan, everyone should > have started on their Big Plans for F15 in Ra

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread John Poelstra
Adam Williamson said the following on 08/13/2010 05:21 PM Pacific Time: > On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 16:11 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > >> On the data side, it would be very interesting to go back to each one of >> those slips and identify the component(s) that caused the slip and then >> question the in

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread John Poelstra
Till Maas said the following on 08/16/2010 11:41 AM Pacific Time: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 01:06:46PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: >> >>> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> "BN"

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread John Poelstra
Mike McGrath said the following on 08/16/2010 12:18 PM Pacific Time: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > >> On 08/16/2010 02:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: >>> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitt

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread John Poelstra
Peter Jones said the following on 08/16/2010 11:50 AM Pacific Time: > On 08/16/2010 02:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote: >> >>> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> "BN" == Bill Nottingh

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-16 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:39 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > Would an 8[1] month cycle cause fewer slips per release? Fewer bugs? Personally, I'd like to see a 9-12 month cycle. Much as I'm sure everyone out there instantly upgrades every system the moment a new release comes out, and doesn't mind a

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 19:31 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I think using javascript for pages meant to be used by the general public > is a bad idea. It encourages people who don't know better to enable > javascript for general browsing, which signifcantly increases the risks > to them for having

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:48:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is effectively impossible to use > all sorts of useful websites without Javascript enabled. Even for Then don't use them. If sites don't get used they may stop requiring people to significa

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 18:35 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:48:14 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is effectively impossible to use > > all sorts of useful websites without Javascript enabled. Even for > > Then don't use t

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 08/17/2010 02:35 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:48:14 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is effectively impossible to use >> all sorts of useful websites without Javascript enabled. Even for >> > > Then don't use them. I

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread J. Randall Owens
On 08/16/2010 16:35 -0700, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:48:14 -0700, > Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is effectively impossible to use >> all sorts of useful websites without Javascript enabled. Even for > > Then don't use them. If site

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Dariusz J. Garbowski
On 16/08/10 08:10 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > > By your logic we should ban gcc, java, mono, python, perl, bash ... as > one can use them to create and/or run non free software. > > Also you may be aware that javascript has its uses *outside* of the > web too (just like you can wri

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: >    Do you REALLY believe that in a world where 90% of the desktops are > Windows, where 2 thirds of the browser market is shared by IE and safari Where did you got these statistics from? Any references? w3schools [1] say it is otherwise, i

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:08:27 -0700, "J. Randall Owens" wrote: > > Maybe you should file a bug against Javascript in Firefox? Oh, wait, > bugzilla uses Javascript, doesn't it? Scratch that, no bugzilla for the > purists. I don't use it with javascript enabled. Unfortunately the javascript

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: >    Do you REALLY believe that in a world where 90% of the desktops are > Windows, where 2 thirds of the browser market is shared by IE and safari > and where making governments to share public documents in a public > format rather than .do

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 08/17/2010 03:15 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: > >>Do you REALLY believe that in a world where 90% of the desktops are >> Windows, where 2 thirds of the browser market is shared by IE and safari >> > > Where did you got these stat

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 08/17/2010 03:22 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Manuel Wolfshant > wrote: > >>Do you REALLY believe that in a world where 90% of the desktops are >> Windows, where 2 thirds of the browser market is shared by IE and safari >> and where making governments to

Package Review Stats for last week ending 15th Aug

2010-08-16 Thread Rakesh Pandit
Top three FAS account holders who have completed reviewing "Package review" components on bugzilla for last week ending 15th August were Mamoru Tasaka, Chen Lei and Rex Deiter. Mamoru Tasaka : 3 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621017 rubygem-scruffy https://bugzil

is swf open format

2010-08-16 Thread Naveen Kumar
Hi, Can we use .swf files to develop open source applications? Some of the links, that maybe useful here: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/pdf/swf_file_format_spec_v10.pdf http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK regards Naveen -- devel mailin

RE: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-16 Thread Avery, David [DENTK]
My common situation is a DDC/EDID capable display behind a KVM that only passes DDC/EDID to the selected port. On a reboot unless the system being rebooted is selected on the KVM it does not come up at full resolution. Very few KVMs pass DDC/EDID to the non-selected ports. I also have a case at

Problems when compiling a package which uses boost::signals2.

2010-08-16 Thread Peng Wu
Hi, I tried to rebuild ibus-pinyin package for Fedora 14 which uses boost::signals2, but it failed. Later I write a very simple test file, compiling use: $g++ -c boost_test.cpp And the test file content and compiling error log are attached. It still fails, but it compiles ok on Fedora 13

CONFIG_LOCKDEP

2010-08-16 Thread John H
I'm trying to rebuild my kernel without debugging, I set the %define debugbuildsenabled to 1 and in the kernel.spec file before building with rpmbuild but I am still getting CONFIG_LOCKDEP=y in my kernel config file in my /boot directory after I install the built kernel. How do I fully disable this

Re: is swf open format

2010-08-16 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 02:32 -0400, Naveen Kumar wrote: >Can we use .swf files to develop open source applications? I strongly doubt that this is a good idea. There are non-Adobe runtimes, but to get most of the good stuff you need to lock into their one. It's much worse than trying to get a l