Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-11 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2015-09-11 00:46 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: > The HTML WG has historically has contained so much noise that next to > all productive contributors has left the group, leading to the being > unable to create almost any useful contributions to HTML5. This has > been such a big problem that

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-11 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2015-09-11 09:43 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > It seems the two hours are up, but I wanted to ask a question anyway. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:53 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > > I'm still considering between two different endings: > > > > ... > > Note that they are already active

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-11 Thread smaug
On 09/11/2015 04:53 AM, L. David Baron wrote: On Tuesday 2015-09-08 17:33 -0700, Tantek Çelik wrote: Follow-up on this, since we now have two days remaining to respond to these proposed charters. If you still have strong opinions about the proposed Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups ch

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: >> On 09/10/2015 06:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: >> > If I am the only one that wants to put in a formal objection here, >> > then I'll let it go and go with whatever everyone else think we >> > should do. >> > >> >> FWIW, I agree with Jonas that

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
It seems the two hours are up, but I wanted to ask a question anyway. On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:53 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > I'm still considering between two different endings: > > ... Note that they are already actively ignoring the WHATWG. > = > > One of the major problems in reaching

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-10 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-09-08 17:33 -0700, Tantek Çelik wrote: > Follow-up on this, since we now have two days remaining to respond to these > proposed charters. > > If you still have strong opinions about the proposed Web Platform and Timed > Media Working Groups charters, please reply within 24 hours so

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ms2ger wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/10/2015 06:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > > If I am the only one that wants to put in a formal objection here, > > then I'll let it go and go with whatever everyone else think we > > should

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-10 Thread Ms2ger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/10/2015 06:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > If I am the only one that wants to put in a formal objection here, > then I'll let it go and go with whatever everyone else think we > should do. > FWIW, I agree with Jonas that this is a terrible idea.

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-10 Thread Jonas Sicking
If I am the only one that wants to put in a formal objection here, then I'll let it go and go with whatever everyone else think we should do. / Jonas On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:22 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > On Tuesday 2015-09-08 23:25 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-09 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-09-08 23:25 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > >> > The W3C is proposing revised charters for: > >> > > >> > Web

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-09 Thread L. David Baron
On Wednesday 2015-09-09 08:49 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: > Let me put it this way, how would you feel about integrating the HTML > WG into the W3C Style WG? If the HTML part of the WG were using asynchronous decision making on a separate mailing list, I don't think it would be a big deal. (It wou

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > On Tuesday 2015-09-08 23:25 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: >> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Henri Sivonen >> > wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: >>

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-09 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-09-08 23:25 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > >> > The W3C is proposing revised charters for: > >> > > >> > Web

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > From everything I've seen, I don't expect much work around HTML beyond > taking/merging bugfixes. I'm hoping with the new license that if W3C makes > its own bugfixes that we find a way of propagating those bugfixes to WHATWG > HTML as well. F

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: >> > The W3C is proposing revised charters for: >> > >> > Web Platform Working Group: >> > http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platfo

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-09-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
Follow-up on this, since we now have two days remaining to respond to these proposed charters. If you still have strong opinions about the proposed Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups charters, please reply within 24 hours so we have the opportunity to integrate your opinions into Mozilla'

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-20 Thread smaug
On 08/15/2015 10:24 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:59 AM, L. David Baron wrote: The W3C is proposing revised charters for: Web Platform Working Group: http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platform-wg.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2015Jul/0020.h

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-19 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > The W3C is proposing revised charters for: > > Web Platform Working Group: > http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platform-wg.html > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2015Jul/0020.html This charter doesn't mention the WHATW

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-18 Thread Chia-Hung Tai
Hi, DBaron, I would like to support the creation of Timed Media Working Group. Because Media Capture is one of other deliverables, I would like to put the work[1] to this working group. Thanks. [1]: http://chiahungtai.github.io/mediacapture-worker/ BR, CTai 2015-08-10 2:59 GMT+08:00 L. David Ba

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-17 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 5:49 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > I guess I have mixed feelings about that. It's advantageous to have > WHATWG specifications published under the W3C patent policy by this > working group, though that doesn't require technical work happening > in W3C. For most specificatio

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:59 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > The W3C is proposing revised charters for: > > Web Platform Working Group: > http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platform-wg.html > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2015Jul/0020.html ... > > The Web Platform Working Group

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-15 Thread L. David Baron
On Monday 2015-08-10 12:27 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > We should probably also voice opposition to HTML Imports in its > current form. What's the rationale for opposing it? -David -- 𝄞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 𝄂 𝄢 Mozilla htt

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-15 Thread L. David Baron
On Monday 2015-08-10 12:27 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > > Web Platform Working Group: > > http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platform-wg.html > > > > Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should > > say as part of

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-10 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:59 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > Web Platform Working Group: > http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platform-wg.html > > Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should > say as part of this charter review. Jeff Jaffe told me at one point that Mozilla is n

Re: Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-10 Thread Gervase Markham
On 09/08/15 19:59, L. David Baron wrote: > The Timed Media WG splits some of the media work that was happening > in HTML (MSE, EME) into a separate group. Do we see a risk here that this group will become captured by the promoters of DRM, more than was possible when it was done in the HTML WG? Ge

Proposed W3C Charters: Web Platform and Timed Media Working Groups

2015-08-09 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing revised charters for: Web Platform Working Group: http://www.w3.org/2015/07/web-platform-wg.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2015Jul/0020.html Timed Media Working Group http://www.w3.org/2015/07/timed-media-wg.html https://lists.w3.org/Ar