Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-14 Thread jan iversen
On 14 November 2012 09:00, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 10/11/2012 jan iversen wrote: > >> has anyone thought about making events that did not cost >> 600,- EUR + travel/hotel etc. ?? >> > > Yes, free (or with a nominal fee, like 10 EUR) events used to be the norm. > > > maybe it is time, we made

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-14 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 10/11/2012 jan iversen wrote: has anyone thought about making events that did not cost 600,- EUR + travel/hotel etc. ?? Yes, free (or with a nominal fee, like 10 EUR) events used to be the norm. maybe it is time, we made a OpenOffice (I do not write AOO on purpose) gathering, where develop

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-11 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 09/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote: On a scale of 1-5, where 1 is lowest and 5 is highest, how effective was attending ApacheCon EU to you for each of the following: Here come my answers, and indeed I think this is a useful initiative. I'll give a bit of context in addition to the 1-5 assessment.

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread jan iversen
see below please. jan. On 10 November 2012 21:31, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, jan iversen > wrote: > > I agree with your thoughts. > > > > Except there is a lot of ocean between those events, I intent to visit > > FOSDEM but being located where I am NA is not a possibili

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm talking about working as a project within the ASF. Some of the discussion at the first community event seemed to revolve around misunderstanding aspects of hownthe ASF works. ApacheCons are an ideal place to resolve issues. But as a new ASF project AOO might not have had the benefit. Sent from

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, jan iversen wrote: > I agree with your thoughts. > > Except there is a lot of ocean between those events, I intent to visit > FOSDEM but being located where I am NA is not a possibility. > > I might be wrong, but it seems comparing apples with oranges (a danish > e

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Donald Harbison
On Saturday, November 10, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote: > I still think you are missing my point. I would like to know if AOO people > found the event useful in learning about the ASF, hence my original > observation "You missed how useful was it in learning about the ASF' Let's ask Andrea et al to

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Ross Gardler
I still think you are missing my point. I would like to know if AOO people found the event useful in learning about the ASF, hence my original observation "You missed how useful was it in learning about the ASF" I'm really not sure what you think I'm saying but your responses are really confusing

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread jan iversen
I agree with your thoughts. Except there is a lot of ocean between those events, I intent to visit FOSDEM but being located where I am NA is not a possibility. I might be wrong, but it seems comparing apples with oranges (a danish expression) when you compare FOSDEM and apacheCON. I thought FOSDE

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Joe Schaefer
Come to Apachecon NA in Portland Rob and I'll buy you a beer for all the good work I've seen you do! > > From: Rob Weir >To: "dev@openoffice.apache.org" >Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 2:19 PM >Subject: Re: ApacheCon E

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:31 AM, jan iversen wrote: > Once you get all the answers, will you then publish it (in a "statistic" > form) ? Let's see how many responses we get. I see it as prompting a discussion on priorities and what we get out of various kinds of events. If numbers help then well

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Nov 10, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Ross Gardler >> wrote: >> >>> Sure, my point is that what people did do is not necessarily representative >>> of the value of the event

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> Sure, my point is that what people did do is not necessarily representative >> of the value of the event and thus is not necessarily a good indicator of >> best use of f

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread jan iversen
Sorry Rob, I for one think you are doing the right thing collecting experience after a conference !! Instead of apacheCON just being what it is, you try to collect information which we can use be be better in the future +1 for that ! Jan. On 10 November 2012 18:54, Rob Weir wrote: > On Nov 10

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sure, my point is that what people did do is not necessarily representative > of the value of the event and thus is not necessarily a good indicator of > best use of funds. Since this was the stated intent of your mail I thought > it worth point

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Weir
On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I'll second what Ross has to say. > > There are huge synergies that can happen between Apache projects and often > these are facilitated by the interactions between people who meet at > Apachecon. Over time projects become dependencies of other

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Dave Fisher
I'll second what Ross has to say. There are huge synergies that can happen between Apache projects and often these are facilitated by the interactions between people who meet at Apachecon. Over time projects become dependencies of other projects in very powerful ways. One example is Apache Tika

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Ross Gardler
Sure, my point is that what people did do is not necessarily representative of the value of the event and thus is not necessarily a good indicator of best use of funds. Since this was the stated intent of your mail I thought it worth pointing out that it might be a useful exercise. My motivation i

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread jan iversen
Once you get all the answers, will you then publish it (in a "statistic" form) ? I looked deeply into my pocket for apacheCon, but found it very expensive, so I would really like to hear if it was worthwhile. We have FOSDEM upcomming in europe, and many like me, may be questioning, is that how I

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Weir
Ross, this isn't a "what if" survey based on what attendees might have done, but didn't. I'm interesting in their actual experiences. But feel free to add a relevant additional question if you feel one is missing. -Rob On Nov 10, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > You missed how useful wa

Re: ApacheCon EU Survey

2012-11-10 Thread Ross Gardler
You missed how useful was it in learning about the ASF The problem is that the answers depend on how one approached the event. If an individual only attended the AOO track then one would not benefit from the community track or other project specific tracks for example. Ross Sent from mobile, for