Mailing list search still broken (Was: Re: Mailing list search)

2014-02-02 Thread Noah Slater
Hi folks, Our mailing list search is still broken. Is there any reason why we're still pointing people to the Incubator archives? On 25 October 2013 20:58, Noah Slater wrote: > Hi, > > Mailing list search on our site still points to the incubator: > > http://cloudstac

Re: Mailing list search

2013-10-29 Thread Noah Slater
Bump. On 25 October 2013 20:58, Noah Slater wrote: > Hi, > > Mailing list search on our site still points to the incubator: > > http://cloudstack.apache.org/mailing-lists.html > > I recall discussing this in the past with someone and was asked to > hold back, as the I

Mailing list search

2013-10-25 Thread Noah Slater
, -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater

Re: [VOTE] Minor edits to the by-laws

2013-08-16 Thread Noah Slater
> > > Cheers, > > > > Hugo > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 16 aug. 2013, at 01:06, Noah Slater wrote: > > > >> Devs, > >> > >> Got some more cosmetic edits to make. :) I noticed that our by-laws look > >>

[VOTE] Minor edits to the by-laws

2013-08-15 Thread Noah Slater
document. @@ -316,7 +316,7 @@ Any active committer or PMC member may call a vote. The vote must occur on the project development mailing list. -3.5. Voting Timeframes +## 3.5. Voting Timeframes Formal votes are open for a period of at least 72 hours to allow all active voters time to consid

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other minor changes

2013-08-15 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks Hugo. Will wrap this up now! On 13 August 2013 06:30, Hugo Trippaers wrote: > +1 > > Cheers, > > Hugo > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 12 aug. 2013, at 20:01, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Bumping the thread for a 3rd +1 vote from the PMC. Our by-laws st

[RESULTS] (Was: Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other minor changes)

2013-08-15 Thread Noah Slater
Okay, thanks folks. 4 +1 votes, 3 of which are binding. The vote is a success. I will apply the patch. On 5 August 2013 22:43, Noah Slater wrote: > Hi dev, > > I have some more by-law changes to propose. This is essentially round 2 > for these changes. I incorporated feedback f

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other minor changes

2013-08-12 Thread Noah Slater
Bumping the thread for a 3rd +1 vote from the PMC. Our by-laws stipulate we need 3 +1 PMC votes. Thanks. On 5 August 2013 22:43, Noah Slater wrote: > Hi dev, > > I have some more by-law changes to propose. This is essentially round 2 > for these changes. I incorporated feedback f

Re: [RESULTS] (Was: Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other minor changes)

2013-08-12 Thread Noah Slater
Ignore this. Unfortunately, we only have 2 +1 votes from the PMC. I am going to try to get a third. Sorry for the confusion. On 12 August 2013 18:55, Noah Slater wrote: > 3 +1 votes, and the vote passes. I will update the by-laws now. > > Thanks! > > > On 6 August 2013 20

[RESULTS] (Was: Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other minor changes)

2013-08-12 Thread Noah Slater
2013 1:58 PM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other > minor > > changes > > > > +1 > > > > On 8/5/13 2:43 PM, "Noah Slater" wrote: > > > > >Hi dev, > > > > > &g

[VOTE] Update by-laws: non-technical decisions and other minor changes

2013-08-05 Thread Noah Slater
fying this document. Lazy majority of active PMC members -Any active committer or PMC member may call a vote. The vote must occur on a +Any active committer or PMC member may call a vote. The vote must occur on the project development mailing list. 3.5. Voting Timeframes -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater

[RESULTS] (Was: Re: [VOTE] Whitespace changes to bylaws.mdtext)

2013-08-05 Thread Noah Slater
We got 4 +1 votes, so the vote was successful. I'll make the changes now. Thanks peeps! On 29 July 2013 22:55, Noah Slater wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to make several changes to our by-laws, but before I continue, > I've prepared a changset that tidies up whitespace

[VOTE] Whitespace changes to bylaws.mdtext

2013-07-29 Thread Noah Slater
Hi, I'd like to make several changes to our by-laws, but before I continue, I've prepared a changset that tidies up whitespace and hard wraps. This will make it easier to edit. The only non-whitespace change my patch makes is to correct two spelling errors: Transparancy -> Transparency desicion

Re: [DISCUSS] Bylaw changes for new committer / new PMC member votes

2013-07-26 Thread Noah Slater
sus and there can't really be a major dissent > in my thought process. Veto also requires a through explanation why. > > 2 cents, > Matt > > > > On 7/19/13 1:27 PM, "Noah Slater" wrote: > > >Specifically, Chip is calling for us to change committer /

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-07-24 Thread Noah Slater
n't want really to take this one on the Bylaws > side. :-) > > Matt > > > On 7/24/13 1:19 PM, "Noah Slater" wrote: > > >Nope. Sorry. Feel free to run with it. If not, I can see about doing > >another vote in the next few days. > > > &g

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-07-24 Thread Noah Slater
Nope. Sorry. Feel free to run with it. If not, I can see about doing another vote in the next few days. On 24 July 2013 18:02, Mathias Mullins wrote: > Noah, > > Did you ever review / report / re-vote this? > > Thanks, > Matt > > > On 6/25/13 11:17 AM, "Noah Sla

Re: [DISCUSS] Bylaw changes for new committer / new PMC member votes

2013-07-19 Thread Noah Slater
Yes, ignoring our egregious mis-use of that term, I am +1 on your idea. Though, perhaps 3/4 is safer. Consensus is important, yes. But the bigger the PMC, the harder it is to achieve. And more often than not, I see no reason to block an action when a supermajority are clearly in favour of it. Let'

Re: [DISCUSS] Bylaw changes for new committer / new PMC member votes

2013-07-19 Thread Noah Slater
Specifically, Chip is calling for us to change committer / PMC votes from "lazy consensus" to "2/3 majority". (That is, the vote type for that specific decision making process changes, but the vote type definitions are left alone.) On 19 July 2013 17:32, Chip Childers wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-06-25 Thread Noah Slater
nitiate a > non-technical > +decision making process. > > > > Matt Mullins > Cloud Platforms Implementation Engineer > Worldwide Cloud Services ­ Citrix System, Inc. > +1 (407) 920-1107 ­ Office/Cell Phone > matt.mull...@citrix.com > > > > > > > On 6/

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-06-20 Thread Noah Slater
tivities" or involve "technical decisions". Do you think our by-laws need a section clarifying technical vs. non-technical? What should it say? On 20 June 2013 15:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 08:21 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Devs, > >

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-06-20 Thread Noah Slater
I don't consider a website change to be technical. On 20 June 2013 15:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 08:21 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Devs, > > > > I would like to call a vote on the following modification to our by-laws. > > This is in re

Re: [VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-06-20 Thread Noah Slater
Uh... [This is in response to the] quoted thread wherein Sebastian highlights that we have nothing in our by-laws to tell us how to make general non-technical decisions. On 20 June 2013 14:21, Noah Slater wrote: > Devs, > > I would like to call a vote on the following modification

[VOTE] Update by-laws to add section for non-technical decision making (Was: Re: [RESULTS][SUMMARY][DISCUSS][VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website)

2013-06-20 Thread Noah Slater
ctive committer or PMC member may call a vote. The vote must occur on a +Any active committer or PMC member may call a vote. The vote must occur on the project development mailing list. 3.5. Voting Timeframes On 20 June 2013 13:14, Noah Slater wrote: > Sebastian, > > Thanks for the wra

Re: Summary of IRC meeting in #cloudstack-meeting, Wed Jun 12 17:08:56 2013

2013-06-14 Thread Noah Slater
While we're talking about bot etiquette... ;) If people used #info and #action, important takeaway points would be included at the top of the email. As it is, it's a bit hard to read through the logs if you just want to get a jist. On 13 June 2013 15:56, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13,

Re: Move project bylaws from the wiki to svn/published on the website?

2013-05-31 Thread Noah Slater
Nice one. Thanks Chip! On 31 May 2013 17:38, Chip Childers wrote: > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:32:58AM -0400, Chip Childers wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'd like to propose moving the project's bylaws [1] from the wiki to the > > project's website svn location. IMO, this will allow for a cleaner

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache CloudStack 4.1.0 (fifth round)

2013-05-29 Thread Noah Slater
Or that... ;) Generally, the RM is free to abort for any reason! (Though, typically, we'd expect it to be a good one.) On 29 May 2013 19:39, Chip Childers wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 07:37:59PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > > John, note that releases are majority approval, s

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache CloudStack 4.1.0 (fifth round)

2013-05-29 Thread Noah Slater
John, note that releases are majority approval, so -1 votes are not vetos. We'd only abort the vote if we failed to get three binding +1 votes, or there were more -1 votes than +1 votes. On 29 May 2013 15:09, John Burwell wrote: > -0. I don't believe we should be shipping a release with known

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
Yep! Welcome! On 28 May 2013 22:56, Daan Hoogland wrote: > wow, > I obtained voting right by subscribing. Beats Verhoeven's view on the > matter, the starship troopers way ;) > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Users are *by definit

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
May 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Sebastien Goasguen >wrote: > > > > > On May 28, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > > > Sebastien, > > > > > > Nope, we don't do votes on the users@ list. That list is just for user > > > support.

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
Sebastien, Nope, we don't do votes on the users@ list. That list is just for user support. Decision making happens on dev@*, and if users want to take part in that, they can subscribe. * Or marketing@, private@, and security@ On 27 May 2013 08:53, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > > On May 24, 201

Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
Agree with the "we don't have to get this perfect right away" approach. On 28 May 2013 18:17, Chiradeep Vittal wrote: > +1 > > While I appreciate the don't-play-favorites sentiments, I do feel that we > are over thinking this issue. If favoritism becomes an issue, we can > revisit. At that poin

Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website

2013-05-27 Thread Noah Slater
As a committer you have a binding vote. However, our by-laws do not make it clear what sort of decision-making process we use for non-technical matters such as this. So I am not sure whether your -1 counts as a veto. On 27 May 2013 19:14, Rohit Yadav wrote: > -1 list of books etc. on website (b

Re: [VOTE] List CloudStack related books on the website

2013-05-27 Thread Noah Slater
-0 I think we should be listing books, but I would prefer it to be on the wiki. (Note that your vote email should include +0 and -0, which are weak approval/disapproval.) On 27 May 2013 09:27, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > Hi, > > After a relatively long discussion on the marketing@ list about

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache CloudStack 4.1.0 (fourth round)

2013-05-27 Thread Noah Slater
Is this am argument for keeping the Debian packaging in a seperate repo? cloudstack-deb, perhaps? Repositories are cheap. On Monday, 27 May 2013, Wido den Hollander wrote: > Hi Chip, > > I'm sorry, this is a -1 again. > > Hiroaki found a bug in the Deb packaging again, with commit: > c4d61897d934

Re: Move project bylaws from the wiki to svn/published on the website?

2013-05-22 Thread Noah Slater
+1 On 22 May 2013 16:32, Chip Childers wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to propose moving the project's bylaws [1] from the wiki to the > project's website svn location. IMO, this will allow for a cleaner > update process (easier to provide a diff of a proposed change). > > Any objections? I'll

Fwd: Grace Hopper Open Source Day

2013-05-17 Thread Noah Slater
This sounds like a great initiative. Anyone interested in coordinating this? -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim Jagielski Date: 17 May 2013 14:11 Subject: Grace Hopper Open Source Day To: "memb...@apache.org" Cc: Apache Board I am forwarding this email on behalf of Leslie Hawth

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-17 Thread Noah Slater
We need to be careful about how we approach this. A "release" is something that is voted on. A "release candidate" is something that is about to be voted on. If you you don't vote on something, it's not a release. And if you've voted on something, it's no longer a candidate. :) Two things we could

Re: [DISCUSS] Authorship of translations

2013-05-04 Thread Noah Slater
(Copied from elsewhere...) I've been involved in similar discussions about what to do with pull requests on GitHub, etc. I think the general consensus was that as long as there is a reasonable indication that the work was being contributed to the project, then we are okay to include it. i.e. If so

Re: New Committer: Isaac Chiang

2013-05-04 Thread Noah Slater
Congratulations! On 4 May 2013 13:54, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache CloudStack has asked > Isaac Chiang to become a committer and we are pleased to announce that > they have accepted. > > Among several things, Isaac has translated the entire docum

Re: Release Verification Tool - if you're interested

2013-05-04 Thread Noah Slater
Wow. This is a great idea! On CouchDB we have couchdb-admin.git and we keep stuff like this in that repos. Might we want to consider something similar? (We also use it to keep email templates in, etc.) https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=couchdb-admin.git On 23 April 2013 14:36, Chip Child

Re: [DISCUSS] Primary maintainers?

2013-05-03 Thread Noah Slater
ed can be notified on > potential opportunities to work on. When you get a chance please review > and provide feedback > > Animesh > > > -Original Message- > > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@apache.org] > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:40 AM > &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Primary maintainers?

2013-05-03 Thread Noah Slater
it can be dropped > and just call it maintainers or other inviting name. > > > [1] > http://markmail.org/message/udidz5fsgolng2xs?q=list:org%2Eapache%2Eincubator%2Ecloudstack-dev+auto+assignment+from > :"Animesh+Chaturvedi"&page=1 > > > > -Original Me

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable GitHub pull request notification (Was: Re: GitHub pull requests (Was: Re: Github integration))

2013-05-03 Thread Noah Slater
Nalley wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Noah Slater > wrote: > >> Devs, > >> > >> I would like to propose that we turn on notifications for pull requests > >> that are made via GitHub. This will ensure that PRs are not "lost > between &

[DISCUSS] Primary maintainers?

2013-05-03 Thread Noah Slater
Hi folks, While reading the meeting minutes, I found a link to: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Current+Maintainers+Per+Component I feel concerned about the distinction between "primary maintainer" and "secondary maintainer". I believe this could discourage contribution. S

Re: [bo...@apache.org: ASF Board Report - Initial Reminder for May 2013]

2013-05-03 Thread Noah Slater
LGTM On 1 May 2013 20:28, Chip Childers wrote: > It's report time for us again (we are on a monthly schedule for our > first quarter as a TLP). > > I'll provide a draft in the next couple of days, and kindly ask that > others review / edit it prior to submission... unless someone beats me > to

Re: CloudStack GitHub repository

2013-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
Aha, thanks! On 29 April 2013 04:28, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > Noah, I opened a bug on this weeks ago, and had reported to the mailing > list. > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6130 > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Devs, >

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable GitHub pull request notification (Was: Re: GitHub pull requests (Was: Re: Github integration))

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
* and the Apache license... On 27 April 2013 18:24, Noah Slater wrote: > Good question, John! We will handle it the same way we handle patches that > come in via JIRA, or the mailing list, or any other channel. i.e. The > creation of a PR against the official mirror is seen as an indi

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable GitHub pull request notification (Was: Re: GitHub pull requests (Was: Re: Github integration))

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
t; On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > On 27 April 2013 17:35, Noah Slater wrote: > > > > > If we reach consensus, I will start the corresponding [VOTE] thread and > > > complete the rest of process. > > > > > > > D

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable GitHub pull request notification (Was: Re: GitHub pull requests (Was: Re: Github integration))

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On 27 April 2013 17:35, Noah Slater wrote: > If we reach consensus, I will start the corresponding [VOTE] thread and > complete the rest of process. > D'oh. That's what I get for copying and pasting email templates. Edit: if we reach consensus, I will just go ah

Re: CloudStack GitHub repository

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks, Rohit. I marked mine as a dupe! On 27 April 2013 17:30, Rohit Yadav wrote: > Thanks Noah, I've had raised an issue with infra a long time ago but that > is still open: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6061 > > Cheers. > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9

[DISCUSS] Enable GitHub pull request notification (Was: Re: GitHub pull requests (Was: Re: Github integration))

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
e I stated lazy consensus So I am doing this a second time, properly. Sorry about that folks!) Thanks, On 7 October 2012 03:03, Noah Slater wrote: > I've been talking with Paul Davis about how we can fix this situation. But > no, at the moment, you cannot merge them directly in GitHub

CloudStack GitHub repository

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
Devs, I have requested that our GitHub repository be moved to indicate we are no longer in incubation. Follow along here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6203 Thanks, -- NS

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
Okay, thanks Prasanna! On 17 April 2013 07:44, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:07:45PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > > Okay, some success. > > > > Here is a mail sent to infrastruct...@apache.org: > > > > On 16 April 2013 13:44, Tony Steven

Re: [DISCUSS] ACS Release 4 month v/s 6 month

2013-04-26 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks for the great summary Animesh. Agree with Chip. Great thread. :) On 26 April 2013 01:11, Chip Childers wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 05:02:05PM -0700, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote: > > Let me attempt to summarize this thread, if I missed any glaring points > feel free to bring them up > >

Re: Google Summer of Code 2013 Mentor Registration

2013-04-25 Thread Noah Slater
This would make a good blog post and tweet! On 9 April 2013 21:25, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > Folks, [BCC: users@] > > Apache Software Foundation (ASF) has been accepted has a mentoring > organization for the 2013 Google Summer of Code. > > If you wish to be a mentor for a student to work on a

Re: Xen Hackathon Dublin May 16/17th

2013-04-25 Thread Noah Slater
Give me a shout if you'rein town and I'll come for drinks and meet some of you folks. On 25 April 2013 15:34, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > Folks, > > The Xen hackathon is being held in Dublin, Ireland on May 16/17th. > > Is anyone interested to go there and actually work on improving Xen/XCP > s

Re: [DISCUSS] Making simple installs easier.

2013-04-24 Thread Noah Slater
(Typo, but you can fill in any number you feel like...) On 24 April 2013 12:57, Noah Slater wrote: > Also + for the initiative! > > > On 23 April 2013 20:15, Chiradeep Vittal wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/21/13 3:21 PM, "David Nalley" wrote: >> &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Making simple installs easier.

2013-04-24 Thread Noah Slater
Also + for the initiative! On 23 April 2013 20:15, Chiradeep Vittal wrote: > > > On 4/21/13 3:21 PM, "David Nalley" wrote: > > >Hi folks. > > > >I've been thinking about our install process lately. > > > >We currently require folks to muck about with firewall settings, NFS > >settings, network

Re: [DISCUSS] ACS Release 4 month v/s 6 month

2013-04-24 Thread Noah Slater
I see where David is coming from. The longer you leave a release branch, the harder it becomes to QA, the harder it comes to test, and the harder it becomes to release. As has been mentioned already, you can think of this as a "release cost". More regular releases keep complexity down, and reduce

Re: [RESULT][VOTE][ACS402] Apache CloudStack 4.0.2 (Third Round)

2013-04-23 Thread Noah Slater
Damn. I didn't make it in time. I got half way through, though. In case it helps, here are my notes... > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/cloudstack/KEYS Old location, needs updating, in both email and wiki. Done the wiki now. > Get the commit hash from the VOTE email (ex: 4c

Re: [VOTE] Apache CloudStack 4.0.2

2013-04-17 Thread Noah Slater
It's a little more nuanced than that. ;) It's very possible that we would ship a new release that actually introduces known bugs. It is much less likely that we would ship a release that introduces known critical bugs. In the end, it is up to the community to decide. And that is a process of a rele

Re: [VOTE] Apache CloudStack 4.0.2

2013-04-17 Thread Noah Slater
Yes, we have rules. :) A release will pass if it receives 3 binding +1 votes, and more +1 votes than -1 votes in total. On 17 April 2013 15:11, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > Do we have rules set out around this? It seems that we wouldn't stop a > time-based bug fix release from going out just becau

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-16 Thread Noah Slater
Okay, some success. Here is a mail sent to infrastruct...@apache.org: On 16 April 2013 13:44, Tony Stevenson wrote: > Noah Slater wrote on Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:33:39PM +0100: > > Hi, > > > > It recently came up on the CloudStack list that if cloudstack.org moves > &

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-16 Thread Noah Slater
the policy. If there's anything that seems relevant I will loop back to this thread. On 10 April 2013 07:55, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: > Time to find an alternate domain for jenkins then. :( > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:40:56PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > > Ack :( >

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
+1 On 11 April 2013 15:39, Chip Childers wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:51:34PM +, Abhinandan Prateek wrote: > > Yes, I think we need to space our releases further apart. > > That's a different discussion, which you are free to raise if you'd like. > > > Also community members should v

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
at a good solution that works. > > > Kudos to the community ! > > > On 11/04/13 7:17 PM, "Noah Slater" wrote: > > >I believe it is possible to "mention" someone in a JIRA ticket in such a > >way that they get notified. Might this be an e

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
On 11 April 2013 15:11, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > I'm against a policy of never assigning tickets, but it shouldn't be the > norm for one set of folks to triage tickets and assign them to another > set of folks. Me too. We should establish: a) A rule that we avoid ticket assignment by defau

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
to whatever the community decides here. > > Also community members should volunteer to own some part so that in above > circumstances a person looking for some fix can approach that member, once > again a suggestion. > > > > On 11-Apr-2013, at 5:17 PM, "Noah Slater" >

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
that that system will create. > > > On 11/04/13 5:04 PM, "John Burwell" wrote: > > >+1 > > > >On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > >> On 11 April 2013 11:22, Abhinandan Prateek > >>wrote: > >> > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
On 11 April 2013 11:22, Abhinandan Prateek wrote: > > 7-8 days is a huge time lost. I was suggesting that this to be 3 days. Let > other community members chime in too. I should have replied to this in my previous missive. But I want to reenforce how unhealthy I believe this practice is. 7-8 day

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-11 Thread Noah Slater
On 11 April 2013 04:08, Abhinandan Prateek wrote: > > Now is it wrong to ask the community members who have expertise on UI to > fix it, in a bid to help Chip get the release out ? > It is certainly not wrong to co-ordinate with people in an effort to ship a release. (I would point out, however,

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-09 Thread Noah Slater
Got it. Thanks! :) On 9 April 2013 19:29, Rohit Yadav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > When you say it's understandable that people being paid to work on > > CloudStack full time engage in cookie licking, do you mean to say you >

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-09 Thread Noah Slater
When you say it's understandable that people being paid to work on CloudStack full time engage in cookie licking, do you mean to say you think it is acceptable? Or do you believe we should be working to prevent it? On 9 April 2013 19:14, Rohit Yadav wrote: > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Pra

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-09 Thread Noah Slater
ve echoed similar > sentiments. > > --David > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Strange this was on infra-private, and not infra (which is also > private). I > > only subscribe to the latter. I found your message now. Disappointing. I >

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-09 Thread Noah Slater
alley wrote: > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Do you have a link to the discussion thread, David? I can't find anything > > in my mail. > > > > You'll need to use your member karma, as it's on infra-private: > 097901ce30c3$c69ff210$53dfd630$@16degrees.com.au > -- NS

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-09 Thread Noah Slater
Do you have a link to the discussion thread, David? I can't find anything in my mail. On 9 April 2013 15:46, David Nalley wrote: > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Chip Childers > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 01:34:01PM +0530, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 07:21:3

Re: Cloudstack.org domain

2013-04-09 Thread Noah Slater
I shouldn't expect so. On 9 April 2013 14:13, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 01:34:01PM +0530, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 07:21:30PM -0400, David Nalley wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Chip Childers < > chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >

Re: [DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-08 Thread Noah Slater
You might want to speak to Infra about it first. On 9 April 2013 00:34, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chiradeep Vittal [mailto:chiradeep.vit...@citrix.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:05 PM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [DISCUS

Re: April board report

2013-04-08 Thread Noah Slater
y/CLOUDSTACK/2013-04+Board+Report+for+Apache+CloudStack > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Chip Childers > wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 09:24:38PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > >> Chip, it looks better like this, for sure. > >> > >> Wondering if you&

Re: April board report

2013-04-07 Thread Noah Slater
ght want to re-work to fit the template, but I hardly doubt it's necessary. Perhaps we should add a bullet point item about the "hat wearing" issues we've been discussing? (See the thread on assigning bugs to people in JIRA.) On 5 April 2013 17:24, Chip Childers wrote: >

Re: April board report

2013-04-05 Thread Noah Slater
Looks like good info, Chip. This would make a good public project update. But perhaps this is a little wordy for a board report. Is there a way we can compress this? Perhaps cutting out any secondary or tertiary detail. The board typically review about 40 reports per month, I think? So there's a lo

Re: CloudStack announcement list now available

2013-04-03 Thread Noah Slater
Okay, this is the diff: https://paste.apache.org/g5hX I don't... I am confused. Heh. The live site looks different from what is apparently in Subversion... On 3 April 2013 14:28, Noah Slater wrote: > Dropping users@... > > You did? I just edited a page on the site, seconds

Re: Mailing lists and markmail

2013-04-03 Thread Noah Slater
I think they might just pick it up automatically. I don't believe Infra ever ping them. On 3 April 2013 13:52, Chip Childers wrote: > Does anyone want to own figuring out how to notify markmail about our > mailing list changes? > > We've changed: > > 1) moved from incubator.apache.org to clouds

Re: CloudStack announcement list now available

2013-04-03 Thread Noah Slater
Dropping users@... You did? I just edited a page on the site, seconds before reading this email... Confused. I'll jump on IRC. On 3 April 2013 14:25, Chip Childers wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:19:14PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > > Dear community, > > > > I w

CloudStack announcement list now available

2013-04-03 Thread Noah Slater
Dear community, I would like to announce that we now have an announcement list. To wit: annou...@cloudstack.apache.org This is a low-volume public list for release announcements and security disclosures only. Subscribe by sending an email to: announce-subscr...@cloudstack.apache.org

[DISCUSS] Don't assign tickets to people when triaging

2013-04-02 Thread Noah Slater
Dear community, Right now, we have people who are regularly going through JIRA and triaging tickets. This is totally fantastic, and a very valuable activity for the project. (So thank you!) But I also notice that specific individuals are being assigned to the tickets in the process. This is a for

Re: [REMINDER] IRC Meeting tomorrow + moderator needed

2013-04-02 Thread Noah Slater
Can we have the meeting in the Bat-cave as well? :P On 2 April 2013 17:05, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > Hey all, > > IRC meeting tomorrow, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel. > (#cloudstack-meeting on Freenode, 17:00 UTC). > > That's 1 p.m. Eastern, 10 a.m. Pacific, and 6 p.m. in London. > > Also - I h

Re: New Committer: Animesh Chaturvedi

2013-03-28 Thread Noah Slater
Grats! On 28 March 2013 19:57, Alex Huang wrote: > The Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC) for Apache CloudStack has > asked Animesh Chaturvedi to become a committer and we are pleased to > announce that they have accepted. > > > > Being a committer enables easier contribution to the pr

Re: [DISCUSS] create a general@ mailing list?

2013-03-28 Thread Noah Slater
Just a note that the previous two +1 votes are actually -1 votes in the context of the DISCUSS topic. I am also ready to cast my -1 vote. On 28 March 2013 16:56, Kelceydamage@bbits wrote: > +1 from me as well. It duplicates or segregates, neither of which seem > like a positive change. > > -kd

Re: [DISCUSS] Commit email notifications

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
Let the good times roll! Thanks Paul. On 26 March 2013 17:36, Paul Davis wrote: > Done. > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Here we go Paul: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6063 > > > > > > On 21 March 2013 19:19, Paul Dav

Re: [DISCUSS] Commit email notifications

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
u guys decide on a new format throw it in a JIRA ticket and I'll > make the switch. > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > > Hey CloudStack devs, > > > > A bit of potential cross pollination here... > > > > I take it you've all not

Re: [DISCUSS] Commit email notifications

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
e specification and the > available variables for use here: > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/docs/commit-emails.html > > If you guys decide on a new format throw it in a JIRA ticket and I'll > make the switch. > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Noah Slater wrote:

Re: [DISCUSS] create a general@ mailing list?

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
really have users in the traditional sense) > > > Kind Regards > Giles > > D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055 > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@apache.org] > Sent: 26 March 2013 09:51 > T

Re: [DISCUSS] create a general@ mailing list?

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
P.S. Chip, I would consider asking on general@hadoop.a.o about this... On 21 March 2013 03:42, Chip Childers wrote: > I've noticed that some of the projects separate discussions between dev > and general administrative items via a general@ and a dev@ list. For > example, the last email I sent

Re: [DISCUSS] create a general@ mailing list?

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
This proposal troubles me. The dev list is supposed to be the single place you can monitor as a contributor, and be assured that all development activity is happening there. We should absolutely be minimising the other places people need to check. And also, I do not want to have to rely on other

Re: New committer: Geoff Higginbottom

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
Grats! On 25 March 2013 15:25, Chip Childers wrote: > The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache CloudStack > has asked Geoff Higginbottom to become a committer and we are pleased to > announce that he has accepted. > > Being a committer allows many contributors to contribute more > auto

Re: New committer: Hiroaki Kawai

2013-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
Congrats! On 25 March 2013 13:39, David Nalley wrote: > The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache CloudStack has asked > Hiroaki Kawai to become a committer and we are pleased to announce > that they have accepted. > > Being a committer allows many contributors to contribute more > auto

Re: Apply permission to assign bugs to myself

2013-03-23 Thread Noah Slater
Quick follow up: this should be a step in the "adding a committer" process. On 23 March 2013 13:54, Gavin Lee wrote: > Hi, Chip & David > I want to pick up some bugs and assign to myself, could you please > help to give me such permission? This can avoid someone else working > on the same issue

Re: Apply permission to assign bugs to myself

2013-03-23 Thread Noah Slater
Sorted this for you, Gavin. On 23 March 2013 13:54, Gavin Lee wrote: > Hi, Chip & David > I want to pick up some bugs and assign to myself, could you please > help to give me such permission? This can avoid someone else working > on the same issue. > Thanks. > > -- > Gavin > -- NS

Re: Incorrect definition of lazy consensus in by-laws

2013-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
I am going to bring this up with Hadoop! I'll circle back here afterwards. On 11 March 2013 02:01, Chip Childers wrote: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 06:52:46PM +0000, Noah Slater wrote: > > Devs, > > > > I was just reading through the by-laws we voted in (sorry, I am

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