Okay, some success. Here is a mail sent to infrastruct...@apache.org:
On 16 April 2013 13:44, Tony Stevenson <pct...@apache.org> wrote: > Noah Slater wrote on Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:33:39PM +0100: > > Hi, > > > > It recently came up on the CloudStack list that if cloudstack.org moves > > over to ASF control, we would not be able to point foo.cloudstack.org at > an > > external VM. (Say, a committer is running a CI/build/whatever service.) > Is > > this the case? Are there any exceptions to this? > > > > I ask not because I want to drag up old discussions for the sake of it, > but > > because we have some ongoing trademark stuff with CouchDB, and one of the > > things I am planning to propose is that we move couchdb.org to ASF > control. > > > > But if the above is policy, that wouldn't work. > > http://docs.couchdb.org/points at a third-party hosted service, for > > instance. And we are working on > > a Jenkins setup that is not on ASF hardware (because the ASF is unable to > > provide us with the hardware we require at this time). > > > > Could someone clarify this for me? > > Noah we have several instances of DNS records pointing to non-ASF hosted > services. We would clearly very much prefer that we didnt have to do > this, but I do not believe it is against policy. > > Our issue comes from the fact the machine is not under our control, and > as such anyone could just add $bad-content within the apache.org > namespace. At the moment, from memory, all records that point to > non-ASF hardware, are still machines we control. Your asking for > something above and beyond this, and I suspect if this is what the PMC > wants then that would be done. But it would need to be requested, > following a vote thread and that link given to us so we can see the > process :) > This is from a private list, but I have been granted permission to share it with this one. For those with the appropriate karma, the thread starts here: http://s.apache.org/ZLE So, if we put together a definitive plan of action for the domain, and the services we want to host / point to, along with who is operating them, and what the plan for that is, and vote on it, it looks like we can proceed. (But we should be mindful of Infra's concerns, and take them into account while drafting the proposal.) On 16 April 2013 13:34, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > I'm not sure how useful this is to you, but I just started a thread on > infrastruct...@apache.org with the subject "ASF DNS pointing to non-ASF > machines". It happens that I am involved with another project in a similar > predicament, and I would like to get some additional clarity on the policy. > If there's anything that seems relevant I will loop back to this thread. > > > On 10 April 2013 07:55, Prasanna Santhanam <t...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Time to find an alternate domain for jenkins then. :( >> >> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:40:56PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: >> > Ack :( >> > >> > >> > On 9 April 2013 17:38, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >> > >> > > It was on infra-private as that was where I was told to carry the >> > > conversation when I asked in IRC. >> > > I don't think that there is any negotiation to be done, multiple infra >> > > contractors over a period of almost a year have echoed similar >> > > sentiments. >> > > >> > > --David >> > > >> > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> > > > Strange this was on infra-private, and not infra (which is also >> > > private). I >> > > > only subscribe to the latter. I found your message now. >> Disappointing. I >> > > > had not realised that this was policy. (I guess undocumented.) >> Wonder if >> > > > there's any room for negotiation... >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 9 April 2013 17:21, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > Do you have a link to the discussion thread, David? I can't find >> > > anything >> > > >> > in my mail. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> You'll need to use your member karma, as it's on infra-private: >> > > >> 097901ce30c3$c69ff210$53dfd630$@16degrees.com.au >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > NS >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > NS >> >> -- >> Prasanna., >> > > > > -- > NS > -- NS
