Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
. Really? Or is it that you don’t like the existence of a body that could override your decisions when you veto an important policy change for no reason? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org w

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

2014-12-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Clint Adams wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be > no way to conclude a disagreement. I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999 that neither of

Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]

2014-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
er people. I think it should be clear now that he will not step back unless the project asks him to do so. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: Can you all please stop?

2014-11-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
et to see systemd criticism in factual terms, rather than entirely made-up claims or vague accusations of destroying the Unix way of life. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of &q

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-10-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
there is no need for it to be done. Amen to that, a thousand times. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-10-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Russ Allbery wrote: If GNOME supported being built without those features, yes, it's fairly straightforward. I probably overstated it by saying it's trivial, but I don't think it would be that hard. But that's from the *packaging* perspective, which is the part o

Re: `systemd --system` as a viable way out of the systemd debate?

2014-10-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1414491132.28333.66.camel@dsp0698014

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2014 à 14:47 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > There > have been, are and will be people with different requirements that > systemd does not and will not satisfy. > > Which requirements are not satisfied by systemd? I’m pretty sure

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Aigars Mahinovs wrote: So you want to force everyone to use systemd No, I want every package to work with the default init system. Those who only use packages that work with another init system, can use it. (by breaking enough software so that Debian becomes unusable w

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Aigars Mahinovs wrote: On 24 October 2014 12:35, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > In fact, they want to require that if P supports only A (and not A|B) > that the maintainers of P have to patch P to make it support B. In the > good old days[tm] it would be the responsibi

DPL candidates: managing the CTTE memberships

2014-03-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
swer. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1396000679.5311.71.camel@dsp0698014

Re: Rationale for GRs

2011-03-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 13:29 +, Martin Meredith a écrit : > On 11/03/11 12:41, Matthew Vernon wrote: > > I've been thinking for a while now that it would be good if general > > resolutions had a Rationale with them. > Won't this require a GR to put it into force? What is the rationale f

Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-03-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 31 mars 2010 à 05:53 -0700, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > I wouldn’t expect you to be able to question your own choices anyway. > > I personally think that would apply to present company as well. Wow. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :'

Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-03-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
> > I am happy you have an opinion. I don't think much of it, but > you are indeed entitled to it. I wouldn’t expect you to be able to question your own choices anyway. Actually, I shouldn’t be discussing this with you, this is pointless as always. -- .''`.

Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-03-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
equires manual updating of all our packages for no good reason. This doesn’t raise questions about the competence of the newcomer. This raises questions about the competence of the person who designed the package. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “A hands

Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-03-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
a bug. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
ign. Do you feel the DPL should give have authority over what services *.debian.org provides? This would be way out of the Constitution. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
ing functionality. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “A handshake with whitnesses is the same `- as a signed contact.” -- Jörg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscrib

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
’s vote, you can expect the decisions to be wrong. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `- future understand things” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée

Re: Firmware

2009-05-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
ase notes, as some hardware needing this (like radeon cards) is highly widespread. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `- future understand things” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 16:09 +, Sam Kuper a écrit : > If that pressure stems from a concern that without proper license > information, Debian users/developers/etc could face legal action, then > I, for one, as a Debian user, appreciate it. > Hint #1: the complete list of copyright holders

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 14:55 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : > The original discussion isn't even half over and you come running to us > screaming GR. Way to abuse our constitution and waste everyone's time. > > Not appreciated. Not at all. And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP ma

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 21 mars 2009 à 20:04 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld a écrit : > Its so easy to give his own opinion more weight by using extortion as a > method. Call it extortion if you want, but this is probably going to happen to a number of large packages unless this requirement goes away. -- .''`.

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 21 mars 2009 à 20:34 +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit : > seconded. Though I would appreciate if it would clarify that debian/copyright > still needs to be present and list the licence and *should try to* list all > authors. IMHO the policy is already clear on it. Furthermore, I don’t thin

GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, as per Constitution 4.1.3, I am proposing the following General Resolution. 8< - 8< - 8< - 8< - 8< - The Debian project hereby resolves that the copyright files of binary packages shipped in the distribution are not required to contain an accurate and up-to-date listing o

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 19:02 -0600, Peter Samuelson a écrit : > Without weighing in on whether there _is_ a class of software for which > users shouldn't have the right to look at and modify source code, this > whole phrase "run on the host CPU" needs to die and be replaced by > something more

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 21:23 +0100, Michael Banck a écrit : > > Why? In essence, it is very similar to a firmware. It can also be > > necessary (e.g. for game data) to make free software work, in a similar > > way to the kernel with firmware. > > While that might be true technically, I don't

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 15:27 +0100, Michael Banck a écrit : > > How about ???Software that is not executed on the host CPU??? ? That can > > include e.g. non-free documentation, which clearly doesn???t belong in the > > same place than nVidia binary drivers. > > While I think that non-dfsg-fr

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 13:07 +0100, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : > The idea is to create a new section that contains files like > firmware images and FPGA data that gets written to the hardware > to make it fully functional. It is not meant for drivers that run > on the host CPU. There is no reason

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

2008-12-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 12:36 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : > This is something we need to agree to disagree on. There are people > who still focus on "The Universal Operating System", and who are > willing to make compromises in freedom without being willing to make a > totally non-free OS.

Re: I hereby resign as secretary

2008-12-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 18 décembre 2008 à 08:44 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a > petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you > too. Regardless of what you did as the Secretary, I fail to see any reason to f

Re: Why the gr_lenny ballot is the way it is

2008-12-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Manoj, please stop your logorrhea. By the time it would take to read your 27 posts on this list in 8 hours, it would be enough to fix a handful of bugs. Le mercredi 17 décembre 2008 à 12:15 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > Also, splitting a vote into multiple ballots, with related > p

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 13 décembre 2008 à 22:09 +0100, Robert Millan a écrit : > For the record, I think the Secretary's interpretation of the Constitution is > perfectly correct. Whether it is correct or not is irrelevant here. The Secretary is deciding this without justification, in an inconsistent way (si

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 11 décembre 2008 à 15:38 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho a écrit : > More strongly, I believe Manoj has repeatedly shown the sort of moral courage > and sound judgment that the Secretary's job requires, and I believe it would > be > a grave loss if he were to step down. It would be a shame

Re: Resolving the controversy

2008-11-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 22 novembre 2008 à 19:49 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > Could you take this tone away from -vote, please? Manoj, please don’t take this personally, but I don’t think you are qualified to tell what is an appropriate tone for a discussion. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian

Re: Resolving the controversy

2008-11-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 10:25 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 00:09 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : > > > You seem to have missed what I said: In order to have *anyone* fix > > >

Re: Resolving the controversy

2008-11-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 00:09 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : > You seem to have missed what I said: In order to have *anyone* fix > them, they need to be acknowledged as DFSG violations. Would you please stop your lies and go trolling elsewhere? Please? Happily the Debian kernel maintainers

Re: Resolving the controversy

2008-11-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 22 novembre 2008 à 01:54 +0100, Jacob Hallén a écrit : > The first paragraph of the SC is a lie! Then later: > 2. The SC states that the goals of Debian is to produce a totally free > software distribution. > > This implies that practicality for users is not a concern and that > Debian

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:26 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit : > > No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such > > an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7, and probably #5 and #6. > > No, it would not. The image is "firmware" and is not subject to DFSG > requiremen

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:01 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit : > So it would be legitimate to distribute an install image for Windows > Mobile cellular phones as a package in main? No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7,

Re: Discussion: granting discretion to release team (was: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny)

2008-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 16:04 +0100, Robert Millan a écrit : > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:10:07AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > > I would welcome a more permanent answer to the firmware question, > > really, I'm not really pleased with the trolls that arise on the subject > > prior to ev

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : > This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded. The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *will* be amended. Therefore I think we should decide on a new wording before the vote instead of letting someone

Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 09:45 -0600, Debian Project Secretary a écrit : > ,[ Proposal 6: Exclude source requirements from firmware (defined) ] > | Firmware is data such as microcode or lookup tables that is loaded into > | hardware components in order to make the component function properl

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 22:31 +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit : > The SC speaks about software, and doesn't define it. Please. Not that *again*. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctivene

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 15:01 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > The SC is pretty clear about everything in the Debian system > (which includes image .debs) should be 100% free. Not just things in > the Debian system that run on a host CPU (what is that, anyway) are > free. I

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 12:43 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > It’s not that your interpretation of the Social Contract is flawed; but > > it is only your interpretation. The secretary is not a superhuman – > > unless he is leading a double life chasing evil aliens at night, but > > that wo

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
First of all, please stop the obnoxious cross-posting. It makes the threads unreadable anyway. (If you could stop the condescending and pedantic tone, that would help as well, but I guess that would be asking too much of you.) Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 11:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 11:24 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > The social contract says that the debian system and all its > components will be 100% free, free as determined by the dfsg. All its components include the unstable suite as well. Why are you focusing on the release

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 10:04 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > >>ii Do we allow the Release Team to ignore SC violation bugs: Yes > > > > Rationale: with "further discussion" nothing changes. Today RMs are > > empowered, by delegation, to decide upon transitions and > > "lenny-ignore

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 19:39 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > Hm, no, the impression that I got from this discussion that at least > > several people here think the result of "Further discussion" is: > > > > i Do we require source for firmware in main: Yes > >ii D

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 09:45 -0600, Debian Project Secretary a écrit : > | (Since this option overrides the SC, I believe it would require 3:1 > | majority) So you get to decide which options need 3:1 majority? I don’t understand why you decide that we need a 3:1 majority to allow release m

Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: new proposal

2008-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 11 novembre 2008 à 04:49 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit : > So far as I can see, the only significant difference between #5 and #2 > (or #3) is the requirement that upstream distributes "under a license > that complies with the DFSG". But it is surely irrelevant whether the > licence text s

Re: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept (was: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.)

2008-10-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 octobre 2008 à 20:38 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : > So either we, the project, a) work with them and try to convince them of > the merits of alternate proposals, or b) we could force a system they > aren't convinced of upon them using a GR - probably not something that > will work v

Re: Proposed amendment: Resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 26 octobre 2008 à 15:17 +0100, Robert Millan a écrit : > For those who didn't get Josselin's witty remark, this happens because I dared > to complain that my words were being missrepresented by Steve Langasek on IRC, > pretending that I said something I never did. No, this happens beca

Re: Proposed amendment: Resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 25 octobre 2008 à 20:26 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit : > I'd appreciate if you don't use a GR procedure for that, though, it makes us > look like a bunch of clowns. > it makes us look like a bunch of clowns. > look like a bunch of clowns > a bunch of clowns > clowns > -- > Robert Mi

Re: Proposed amendment: Resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 18:40 +0200, Thomas Viehmann a écrit : > --- > The Debian project, recognizing that bugs do not fix themselves, > applauds Ben Hutchings's efforts to remove non-DFSG-conformant bits from > the linux-2.6 package in a way that is still making users a priority. It

Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 16:08 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:36:24AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Your lack of knowledge of Debian processes sucks (that means: you > > annoy us (at least me) with your stance and the fanatic way you defend it > > in public, pleas

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 19 septembre 2008 à 11:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > I'd hope the FSF actually specializes in writing software, rather than > making statements. However, writing Free Software is not possible unless > there is a healthy community around it; the FSF thus takes a leading > role an

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
On jeu, 2008-03-27 at 19:06 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > The main symptom of the TC's brokenness is that it is not making > decisions, or not making them fast enough. I haven't heard anyone > suggest that the TC is actually making wrong decisions. Even the glibc maintainers? -- .''`. : :' :

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 10 mars 2008 à 09:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit : > * Anthony Towns ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080310 03:49]: > > The idea is to encourage DPLs to appoint two new members during their > > term, so we get new blood in the committee, and people don't get stuck in > > the committee until they eve

Re: Supermajority requirement off-by-one error, and TC chairmanship

2008-02-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
On ven, 2008-02-15 at 22:49 +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:09:57PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > On ven, 2008-02-15 at 15:50 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Having said that, I agree with you that it makes sense for the TC to not > > >

Re: Supermajority requirement off-by-one error, and TC chairmanship

2008-02-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
On ven, 2008-02-15 at 15:50 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I'm not so sure this is an off-by-one *error*; for example, when simple > majority is required, then a strict 50% against vs 50% in favour result > should result in the status quo being kept. A simple majority thus needs > to say "*more* t

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 04 août 2007 à 12:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > That's because you only take into account controversial GR. Not all GR > need to be controversial. Sometimes I'm tempted to use GRs to try have some > official position statements from Debian on some topics. And this is what GRs are

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 30 juillet 2007 à 20:22 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > The only way I can see for anyone without ftpmaster privileges to > implement it, GR or not, is by automatically re-signing uploads from > DMs with their own keys, which doesn't sound terribly ideal to me. That hasn't prevented some

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 28 juillet 2007 à 19:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett a écrit : > Sure, "Don't quit Debian then" is a valid response (though I'm perhaps > old-fashioned in terms of thinking that as a full member of an > organisation I have a duty to participate in its democratic process, > which I'm not enth

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 18:34 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > If someone doesn't want to be a DD because the NM process is broken > > I haven't said that. Previous discussions gave examples of people who don't &

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 19:07 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > Well, for the record, I haven't appreciated Loïc's rhetorical questions. > But he clearly signed "rhetorical" and only Joss felt the need to fell in > the trap of replying. What exactly makes you think this wasn't only intentional

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 21:48 +0200, gregor herrmann a écrit : > I don't see a contradiction here; on the contrary I can imagine that > DMs take some work off the shoulders of DDs in teams. I fail to see how. More pet packages mean more work for transitions, for the release team, for other main

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 17:52 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit : > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop. > > > Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread. > > Than

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:30 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit : > So are you saying that an unexpected consequence of the Debian > maintainers uploading their packages alone could be that the Debian > sponsors would have to look for different packages to sponsor? Yay, even more crap in the archiv

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 17:03 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit : > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop. > > Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread. Thanks for your concern,

Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR

2007-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:20 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit : > But what if this results in higher quality packages than the one of > overly busy DDs (because the maintainers are very focused on their pet > packages)? Did you think of this consequence? If someone can make such packages, he sho

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 07 juin 2007 à 18:49 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : > >If not, stop trolling. > Accusing people who oppose your views of "trolling" shows lack of > dialectic skills. I have a hard finding another word to describe someone calling people not sharing his views a "revisionist". -- .''`. : :

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-06-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 01 juin 2007 à 14:26 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : > Unfortunately the project doesn't have any way of dealing with my > alleged misbehaviour short of expelling me. Oh, damn, I'm plugging my > social committee proposal again. If I understand correctly, you want the project to choose a

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 31 mai 2007 à 11:03 +, Cord Beermann a écrit : > politically... we don't want to be list police. we don't speak enough > languages and don't have the time to do that. > > We run the lists, we have more enough to do to keep the spam level > low. > > So the step-in and adding a ban on

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 30 mai 2007 à 11:50 +0100, MJ Ray a écrit : > 1. Sven Luther is suspended from all debian lists for a year, which > should be similar to (b), because the project generally liked his > two-month self-suspension and wishes not to receive his discussion > contributions at the moment. > >

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

2007-03-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 10:27 +, MJ Ray a écrit : > It's sort of disappointing how much less trouble I've had since adding such > disclaimers to the end of emails containing jokes. There seem to be far too > many starched attitudes around. Ah, thanks. I was looking for a translation of the

Re: Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

2007-03-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 08:35 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > While there are other problems than the > invariant section, it was really the biggest problem and the others > will probably disappear with the next GFDL update AFAIK. That's good news to hear. I've not followed the GFDL affair r

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

2007-03-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 15:19 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > Many of us probably missed the humor because of the missing disclaimer > explaining "ha-ha, this was only a joke, I don't really think we should have > flamewars despite the fact that I'm frequently a rude jerk to others in the > proje

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:29 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > For readers who are interested in a more neutral point of view, I invite > them to read the archives of debian-python during the month of june: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2006/06/threads.html I don't think you make a goo

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:04 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Uuuh which part do you refer to ? > > The part that I did and that nobody else was willing to do. Discuss with > Josselin and Doko so that we actually have gone forward even if it has

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 22:10 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > My biggest technical contributions over the last year are: > > - the management of the Python transition and the > development/fixing/modifications of the > corresponding dh_{python,pycentral,pysupport} scripts. > http://lists.

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 19:43 +0200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit : > I've tried not participating or reading lists with large flame contents: > for significant parts of 2006 I did not read -devel and -project (for > instance). The result was that you're cut off from any sense of what the > project is do

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 15:05 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : > Well, if *I* get compensated enough, I'm willing to be mocked :) So > yes, I find it somewhat more acceptable. > > As a semi-RL example, I've been thinking about a game fee for sports > officials: travel costs plus 20 euros per each in

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 01:16 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : > On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:25:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > I hope you realize Sam's blog posts were one of the reasons why I was > > able to keep up the time I spend on Debian. It is just so much bett

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 13:58 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : > This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in > volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked for doing things > you like with no compensation? What moral right do the mockers have? I'm getting pissed off by this

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : > Criticise, yes. Mock, no. If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct? -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `.

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-03-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 10:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit : > I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I > reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just > frustrating if people try to destroy the work you are doing. I hope you realize Sam's blog po

Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports

2007-03-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 18:13 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > Yup, though that shouldn't be much of a challenge. The other problem > is that the list doesn't seem active, so it's not incredibly clear that > people are actively maintaining the port. The number of patches submitted for this port

Re: Question for the candidates

2007-03-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 02 mars 2007 à 03:04 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : > Which release-critical bug will each of you fix in order to convince me to > vote for you? :) Is this offer valid for non-candidates to make you vote for the candidate of their choice? -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Low

Question for candidates: the d-i conflict

2007-02-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, I'd like to ask Anthony and Steve what they think of how they handled the conflict between Frans Pop and Sven Luther, and other candidates how they would have handled this conflict. To everyone: how would you avoid such situations to become this problematic in the future? -- .''`. : :' :

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 13:45 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I absolutely don't like the implications of that assertion. > > Well, if an entity A feels that they would benefit from paying a DD > for his Debian work, they have two choices: > >

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 18:36 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > I'd rather see a Dunc-Tank report (and criticism and > analysis of that) before thinking more about it. Aren't you the one supposed to write it? -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 février 2007 à 01:27 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > (If there's something more than the general comments Frank made, > I'm still not seeing it. TTBOMK, the non-free and experimental builds > aren't at all integrated with the buildd.d.o stuff, and there's been > no particular intere

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 12 février 2007 à 19:35 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > > There are different levels of trusting. One can think that no DD > > would introduce malware in the archive and anyway could think also that > > some > > developers are not good for certain tasks because of attitude/lack of > >

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 11 février 2007 à 04:24 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > >> effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, &

BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
e samedi 10 février 2007 à 13:05 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' W

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
hair of the Package Policy Committee and the Debian > Project Leader. > > [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/10/msg00233.html > [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00017.html > [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/10/msg00238.html Sec

Re: Firmware vote rationale

2006-10-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
could even - although very hypothetically - be done for etch if someone did all the required work. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom

Re: Call for a vote: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader

2006-10-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
nc Tank > [ ] Re-affirm DPL; do not endorse nor support his other projects > [ ] Further discussion > > I'm attaching the proposed WML page for this vote (vote_006.wml). I agree with the call for vote, the proposed ballot and the WML page.

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