"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:48:59AM +0200, lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> any idea why an NFS volume is being unmounted when a VM runs out of
>> memory and kills some processes? These processes use files on the NFS
>> volume, but that's no reason to unmount it.
>>
>
> The
Joerg Desch writes:
> Hi.
>
> I'm using Debian Wheezy on two Notebooks and one Desktop. All systems are
> using NFS to access a NAS. While the notebooks have all data on there
> local SSDs, the Desktop is working directly on the NFS share.
>
> I currently use Unison to sync the data between the
Sven Hartge writes:
> lee wrote:
>
>> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to
>> start when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has
>> started.
>
> Maybe the network is not up or the nameserver is not responding. exim4
> does quite some DNS lookups durin
Martin Read writes:
> On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
>> Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so
>> ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible.
>
> Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
> ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to read the h
Linux-Fan writes:
>> On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote:
>
>> Other than that, in my experience Seagate disks my have an unusually
>> high failure rate.
>
> Mine all work here. SMART reports
They'll work until they fail. I don't believe in the smart-info.
> The "unreliability" has just happened
Reco writes:
> Hi.
>
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:34:28 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
>> > My biggest problem is I can't yet get qemu to run Debian or Ubuntu VMs
>> > on OpenBSD, for those few programs that don't run on OpenBSD.
>>
>> And you can't use xen?
>
> You're probably mistook NetBSD (which can ser
Brian writes:
> On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 14:40:31 +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start
>> when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started.
>>
>> Exim has been configured with 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'.
>
> What is
John Hasler writes:
> lee writes:
>> what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server
>> sessions through the remote desktop thing they have?
>
>> I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session
>> (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce, if it can't be a
On 9/21/2014 2:39 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> Доброго времени суток, Miles.
>
>
> Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:23:57 -0400 вы писали:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was
brought to my att
Joel Roth writes:
> I think it should be possible to find or create a forum for
> those who are concerned about this issue. I know that
> I would subscribe.
That would make it easier to ignore them. Wouldn't it make more sense
to create a list for people interested in alternatives to systemd?
Mike McGinn writes:
> As in any sane system of governance for this type of organization, the
> ones doing the work get to make the decisions.
Then please modify Debians' social contract where it says that the users
are the priority.
Should I make a bug report for this?
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David Baron writes:
> Aside from that, systemd works great, is lightening-fast, had no problems
> with
> it! So why all the fuss.
That an init system is being replaced is not even scratching the surface
of the issue, partly because of issues the init system intended to
replace the existing one
op 21-09-14 14:33, lee schreef:
> Hi,
>
> what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server
> sessions through the remote desktop thing they have?
>
> I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session
> (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce, if it can't be
On 21. sep. 2014 20:54, Gary Roach wrote:
Hi all
For the last few months I have been plagued by very slow response from
my system.
...
at least one of the processors goes to 100% and stays there for long
periods
...
no noticeable activity in the process tables.
...
hard drive indicator c
Hi Joel,
Joel Rees writes:
> (6) systemd and cgroups (at minimum) end up overriding the permissions
> system. It's bad enough having SELinux and ACLs brought in to knock
> holes in the permissions system, but when arbitrary non-kernel system
> functions start getting their hands into the equation
lee wrote:
> Sven Hartge writes:
>> lee wrote:
>>> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to
>>> start when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has
>>> started.
>>
>> Maybe the network is not up or the nameserver is not responding.
>> exim4 does quite som
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 06:11:53PM +0200, lee wrote:
> Joel Roth writes:
>
> > I think it should be possible to find or create a forum for
> > those who are concerned about this issue. I know that
> > I would subscribe.
>
> That would make it easier to ignore them. Wouldn't it make more sense
On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote:
> Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real
> machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems
> upgrading to unstable. Far be it for me to suggest any bugs in qemu
> or kvm, but we do have quite a difference in our experi
On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote:
Martin Read writes:
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't
get anywhere with it.
I had that experience. Then I found these convenient pag
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:40:31PM +0200, lee wrote:
> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start
> when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started.
What init system are you using? If systemd, you might be able to find
out by inspecting the log fo
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 03:42:11AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> Try and pick a package which you are familiar with and intend on
> maintaining for a while, it is a bad idea and frowned upon to pick *any*
> package just to get your foot in the door.
Asides from picking a new package, I'd recomm
On 09/21/2014 01:12 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical
aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in
Jessie.
You can start by reading why I voted for systemd:
https://bugs.debian
On 21/09/14 20:41, David Baron wrote:
On Sunday 21 September 2014 20:24:08 Martin Read wrote:
Application software usually initializes its internal pseudorandom
number generator using inputs like the current system time. Since you
haven't mentioned any of the affected programs by name, it's diff
On 09/21/2014 08:41 PM, lee wrote:
> Linux-Fan writes:
>>> On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote:
>>> Other than that, in my experience Seagate disks my have an unusually
>>> high failure rate.
>>
>> Mine all work here. SMART reports
>
> They'll work until they fail. I don't believe in the smart-inf
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> What init system are you using? If systemd, you might be able to find
> out by inspecting the log for the exim4 service unit, once it has
> finally started. 'systemd status -l exim4.service' is probably one way
FTR:
systemctl status -l exim4.service
Grüße,
Sven.
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Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > Why is it not possible to create a completely generic shell script -
> > basically ala SysV that can parse systemd config files for those use cases
> > where Systemd is undesirable?
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00106.html
No
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 16:29:53 -0400, David L. Craig wrote:
> On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote:
>
> > Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real
> > machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems
> > upgrading to unstable. Far be it for me to suggest any
Joel Rees wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
> > There ya go, install the good stuff directories to /opt// (on an
> > /opt partition) and after create links to them in your new /home//
> > directory. Just don't blow up /opt by re-formating it. :) Ric
>
> Hasn't /opt been traditionally used for installing (
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 21:01:17 +0200, lee wrote:
> Brian writes:
>
> > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 14:40:31 +0200, lee wrote:
> >
> >> what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start
> >> when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started.
> >>
> >> Exim has
On 14Sep21:2227+0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 16:29:53 -0400, David L. Craig wrote:
>
> > On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote:
> >
> > > Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real
> > > machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems
> > > upgra
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 18:08:58 +0100, Martin Read wrote:
> As far as the Debian-related aspects of the matter are concerned, it
> seems to me that it would not be unreasonable to file bugs against
> sysvinit-core and upstart suggesting that they should have a
> Recommends: reference to systemd-shi
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 14:40:13 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 09/21/2014 at 01:37 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> >
> > What did those packages do for that functionality before systemd
> > existed?
>
> According to my understanding, either they depended on policykit (which
> used to provide such, or
lee wrote at 2014-09-21 10:48 -0500:
> With fvwm, I can have sticky floating windows that stay on top. This
> allows me to watch the movie, no matter to which desktop I switch, and
> no other window will come up above the movie, so I can always watch it.
>
> Moreover, fvwm is somewhat capable of
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:48:13 +0200
lee wrote:
> So i3 doesn't have any advantages for me --- fvwm is much more
> flexible and without the utter confusion that arises when you try to
> arrange a number of windows in a particular manner with i3. It even
> wastes less screen space than i3 because I
Hi all,
I recently reinstalled my system on two SDD that I got (Intel 530 240GB
-f/w updated and a Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB - f/w 520ABFF0
(latest 525ABFF0)). I have the main system running on the Intel SSD
(LVM) and a partition on the Kingston for my VMs.
Off lately, I have noticed that
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:42:18 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are
> trying to work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to
> intervene in this sort of discussion, please.
Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happene
On 21/09/14 06:23 PM, KS wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I recently reinstalled my system on two SDD that I got (Intel 530 240GB
> -f/w updated and a Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB - f/w 520ABFF0
> (latest 525ABFF0)). I have the main system running on the Intel SSD
> (LVM) and a partition on the Kingston
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:58:38 +0400
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:54:01 -0700
> Gary Roach wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else had a similar problem or have any idea what is
> > going on.
>
> apt-get install iotop.
> Run iotop as root once you experience a slowdown.
> The process on t
I wouldn't want to speculate before using htop and iotop, but for many
of the years I used Kmail (and therefore the KDE libraries), I
regularly had dbus-daemon instances go rogue and eat up 98% of the
processor. It got so bad that I made a daemon to go out every 5
seconds, find any dbus-daemon inst
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On 09/21/2014 at 06:05 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 14:40:13 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 09/21/2014 at 01:37 PM, John Hasler wrote:
>>>
>>> What did those packages do for that functionality before
>>> systemd existed?
>>
>> Acc
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happened to "it's ready when
> it's ready?"
That quote referring to the release, which is distinct from when testing
freezes. Testing is rarely ready, which is why we have to freeze it in
the first place.
Once all of
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:23:36 -0400
KS wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I recently reinstalled my system on two SDD that I got (Intel 530
> 240GB -f/w updated and a Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB - f/w
> 520ABFF0 (latest 525ABFF0)). I have the main system running on the
> Intel SSD (LVM) and a partition o
Steve Litt writes:
> Wow, how things have changed. Whatever happened to "it's ready when
> it's ready?"
It *freezes* Nov. 5. It's *ready* when it's ready. This is not a new
development.
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On 21/09/14 23:47, The Wanderer wrote:
I did mean policykit, but that's because I was talking about my
understanding, which does have policykit in that slot. My understanding
may well be wrong, and if so, consolekit may very well be what *should*
go in that slot instead.
consolekit is indeed th
On 21/09/14 07:08 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Hi KS,
>
> Over time, SSD's get, for want of a better word, fragmented. Especially
> if they endure a lot of writes.
>
> Many times, this "fragmentation" can be corrected. See this:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureex
* On 2014 21 Sep 15:10 -0500, lee wrote:
> Mike McGinn writes:
>
> > As in any sane system of governance for this type of organization, the
> > ones doing the work get to make the decisions.
>
> Then please modify Debians' social contract where it says that the users
> are the priority.
I fear
Martin Read writes:
> consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces (and
> systemd-logind was the reason the maintainers of consolekit stopped
> maintaining it).
So who is going to step forward and start maintaining it?
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that one of the developers
replied to me off-list something like the following, as if to help me
unpack some of what I wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Joel Rees wrote:
> > What problem were you trying to solve when you decided there had to be a
> > switch?
> >
lee wrote:
> Mike McGinn writes:
> As in any sane system of governance for this type of organization, the
> ones doing the work get to make the decisions.
lee wrote:
> Then please modify Debians' social contract where it says that the users
> are the priority.
It says users are the priority. It
On 21/09/14 07:41 PM, KS wrote:
>
> The hdparm shows much normal buffered disk reads (although only 75% of
> the Intel) but would this setting stick during reboots?
>
Update: moved the SATA cable from SATA5 to SATA2. and now hdparm shows
udma6 as active mode and buffered disk reads are around 37
Linux-Fan writes:
> On 09/21/2014 08:41 PM, lee wrote:
>> Linux-Fan writes:
On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote:
Other than that, in my experience Seagate disks my have an unusually
high failure rate.
>>>
>>> Mine all work here. SMART reports
>>
>> They'll work until they fail. I
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> Jessie freezes no later than November 5th 2014. Allow folk who are trying to
> work on the distribution to work on it and not to have to intervene in this
> sort of discussion, please.
Nobody prevents them from doing either or forces them to do anything.
Once they
2014/09/22 5:21 "Ansgar Burchardt" :
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> Joel Rees writes:
> > (6) systemd and cgroups (at minimum) end up overriding the permissions
> > system. It's bad enough having SELinux and ACLs brought in to knock
> > holes in the permissions system, but when arbitrary non-kernel system
> > f
Hi Bruno
Hi Steve
Did you ever get this working for you? I’m a happy user of Debian Wheezy
Gnu/Linux on some Apple G4 and G5 Macintosh machines, so I may be able to help.
Bruno: If you haven’t succeeded yet, and you are willing to try again, I’ll try
to walk you through the steps…
First, wh
Hi.
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:12:38 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> I will acknowledge that there are some things that we could do to
> improve the current (sysv) init in debian.
>
> * Get rid of run levels.
And the reason for this change is? Runlevels are good where they are,
even if you don't use the
I had not seen any references on this list to the following yet
(perhaps I missed it), so here it is in case someone else is
interested:
http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
A rather interesting bug report about binary log corruption that is
linked there:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6
Hi,
Not interested in a debate over systemd. But I have a boot issue and since
there isn't a bug that matches the symptoms, I suspect my setup may be
peculiar and I'm hoping someone may have some insight.
The package systemd-sysv installs a symlink ./sbin/init ->
/lib/systemd/systemd. The sy
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:20:02 +0200, Tixy wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-09-20 at 05:09 +, Frank Miles wrote:
>> [...] It's simply odd that the packages derived from geda-gaf do not
>> contain the gaf utility {none of the derived binary packages seem to
>> have it, not even geda-utils}.
>
> Is 'gaf' me
> You gave up just a bit too soon. :)
>
> http://www.debian.org/devel/join/index.en.html
Thank you for providing this link. :)
> Try and pick a package which you are familiar with and intend on
> maintaining for a while, it is a bad idea and frowned upon to pick *any*
> package just to get your
On Sunday 21 September 2014 22:26:16 Martin Read wrote:
> On 21/09/14 20:41, David Baron wrote:
> > On Sunday 21 September 2014 20:24:08 Martin Read wrote:
> >> Application software usually initializes its internal pseudorandom
> >> number generator using inputs like the current system time. Since
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