Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Terence
Thank you, Don. It needed saying, and you said it well! Cheers, Terence On 21 September 2014 06:12, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default

Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-21 Thread Joerg Desch
Hi. I'm using Debian Wheezy on two Notebooks and one Desktop. All systems are using NFS to access a NAS. While the notebooks have all data on there local SSDs, the Desktop is working directly on the NFS share. I currently use Unison to sync the data between the notebooks and the NAS. This is v

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Joe
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:53:46 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > All of your points were debated extensively and vigorously on the > debian-devel list in the months leading up to the decision. It's all > in the mailing-list archive. Which leads to the tentative conclusion that not many readers of the De

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-21 Thread Joe
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 07:46:21 + (UTC) Joerg Desch wrote: > Hi. > > I'm using Debian Wheezy on two Notebooks and one Desktop. All systems > are using NFS to access a NAS. While the notebooks have all data on > there local SSDs, the Desktop is working directly on the NFS share. > > I currently

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Bret Busby
On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote: >>> These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people, >>> particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to >>> what they claim that they are do

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-21 Thread Joerg Desch
Am Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:48:14 +0100 schrieb Joe: > I wouldn't have thought so, to any great extent. You can use rsync over > ssh if you're worried about the data being intercepted on your network, > but I doubt that it will be much quicker as Unison is just a front-end > to rsync. Unison doesn't u

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-21 Thread Hans
> Unison doesn't use rsync. As far as I know, Unison uses a rsync alike > algorithm which is bidirectional, while rsync is only unidirectional. Nope, rsync is bidirectional, too. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: Whats your way of sharing data between PCs?

2014-09-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 21 Sep 2014, at 09:48, Joe wrote: > > Unison is just a front-end > to rsync. Is rsync using ssh when invoked by unison? You may see improvements by using the rsync wire protocol instead, or compiling your own sshd with the hpn patches applied. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-re

Re: /etc/network/interface file auto reset.

2014-09-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 20 September 2014 13:07:13 softwatt wrote: > On 09/20/2014 02:02 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 20 sep 14, 09:58:22, softwatt wrote: > >> > Why is quoting always needed? > > > > Other readers might be missing previous messages (network delays, > > deleted it, etc.), but want to ju

Re: nfs mounting

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 02:48:59AM +0200, lee wrote: > Hi, > > any idea why an NFS volume is being unmounted when a VM runs out of > memory and kills some processes? These processes use files on the NFS > volume, but that's no reason to unmount it. > The OOM process killer is not necessarily aw

sound recording

2014-09-21 Thread Paweł Ch .
Hi list, I use debian jessie and sound recording in audacity or skype does not work. Microphone as a device is operative. Audacity does not show fluctuacion when recording is enable. I use alsamixer command to adjust capture slider. What I should do? Best regards, PCH

Re: Is geda-gaf in debian?

2014-09-21 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2014-09-20 at 05:09 +, Frank Miles wrote: > [...] It's simply odd that the packages derived from geda-gaf do > not contain the gaf utility {none of the derived binary packages > seem to have it, not even geda-utils}. Is 'gaf' meant to be a separate program? I'm running Debian Jessie an

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:15:53 +0800 Bret Busby napísal: > On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote: > >>> These few people are also very concerned with preventing other > >>> people, particularly users, from doi

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote: Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible. Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks ridiculously difficult to me. Tedious, perhaps, but not ridiculously difficult. Ther

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

2014-09-21 Thread Sven Hartge
Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Patrick Bartek wrote: >>> For all the good it will do. Google isn't going to change it. If >>> they were, they would have done so already. Solution? Downgrade or >>> install GLIBC from Testing to run side-by-side with Wheezy's

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joe wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:53:46 -0500 John Hasler wrote: All of your points were debated extensively and vigorously on the debian-devel list in the months leading up to the decision. It's all in the mailing-list archive. Which leads to the tentative conclusion that not many readers o

The way of becoming a DM/DD?

2014-09-21 Thread lumin
Hi there, I want to take some action to participate in Debian, but I don't know if I am on the right way. I found some related resources here: https://www.debian.org/devel/ and I want to know if I should read it __recursively__. And following is my other questions : 1. What skill/ability should

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Martin Read wrote: On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote: As you can see, it's not only Debian developers I'm disappointed with. Sadly, the quality of Debian has declined over the years --- and I'm not the only one saying that --- and one of the reasons for this might be disregard for the users. My mil

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:51:54AM +0200, lee wrote: > Andrew McGlashan writes: > > > Whilst it is usually quite easy to find older server class hardware at > > bargain prices (compared to new), it is often the case that older > > hardware is slower and much less power efficient to newer hardware

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:09:26 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: --8<-- > >And... by the way, what happened to "old stable" - >https://www.debian.org/releases/ now lists squeeze as obsolete. > "LTS (Long Term Support) is a project for providing security patches af

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim -- > which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but > seems NOT to work (or at least lag behind). When systemd-shim is forced to chase the tailligh

Re: sound recording

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 13:14:55 +0200, Paweł Ch. wrote: > I use debian jessie and sound recording in audacity or skype does not work. > > Microphone as a device is operative. Audacity does not show fluctuacion > when recording is enable. I use alsamixer command to adjust capture slider. > What I s

Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-21 Thread Lars Noodén
I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image on a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seemed to go smoothly, including installing Grub, but when it is time to boot, the machine only ever shows a blinking folder with a question mark, indicating no system. The system ca

Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-21 Thread lee
Hi, what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce, if it can't be avoided gnome --- KDE only crashes in vncserv

Re: git: how to figure out with a script what the last commit on remote repo is without fetching it

2014-09-21 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: >> 2014/09/21 12:15 "lee" : >> If there were diffs shown, only the local diffs would show up. >> [...] > > Because your branch and origin/master have diverged. (Talking about HEAD > was misleading. I still get cvs/svn and git confused in this way. Sorry > about that) Afaik git

starting exim4 takes ages

2014-09-21 Thread lee
Hi, what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started. Exim has been configured with 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'. -- Knowledge is volatile and fluid. Software is power. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andreas Rönnquist wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:09:26 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: --8<-- And... by the way, what happened to "old stable" - https://www.debian.org/releases/ now lists squeeze as obsolete. "LTS (Long Term Support) is a project for provid

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-21 Thread Linux-Fan
On 09/20/2014 04:55 PM, lee wrote: > Linux-Fan writes: >> On 09/14/2014 04:33 PM, lee wrote: >>> Linux-Fan writes: or even buy some additional drives (I know that it is often said that "today drives are cheap" but for me being comparatively new to computing, 60€ are still much for

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim -- which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but seems NOT to work (or at least lag behind). When systemd-shim is forced to

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Peter Nieman
On 20/09/14 22:20, Don Armstrong wrote: In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively draining existing contributor's desire to continue wo

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014, 08:59:16 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 21 Sep 06:52 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> The issue of the day (week) on debian-devel seems to be systemd-shim -- > >> which kind of has to work for anyone to use an alternate init system; but

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/21/2014 at 08:59 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Nate Bargmann wrote: >> I am most concerned about the systemd project's intention to >> subsume many other projects rather than simply be a cooperative >> member of the vast Free Software ecosyst

Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David Baron
Seems to be dominating a good part of the list traffic. Personal history: I never had qualms about upgrading the old sysv stuff. If something did not work, it was some script which I could a least try to fix. The whole init sequence was RUNPARTS off various run-level directories containing appr

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote: > But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the > developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar > achievements - while maybe "volunteering" for Debian - are also paid > developers working for a commer

Re: starting exim4 takes ages

2014-09-21 Thread Sven Hartge
lee wrote: > what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to > start when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has > started. Maybe the network is not up or the nameserver is not responding. exim4 does quite some DNS lookups during startup and if name resolution

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > For what it's worth - the angst is reflected not just here, but on the > debian-devel and the linux-kernel (kernel developers) list as well (I've > started monitoring that to see to what extent kernel developers are starting > to migrate to dist

Re: starting exim4 takes ages

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 14:40:31 +0200, lee wrote: > what might be the reason for exim4 taking ages (i. e. minutes) to start > when booting? The boot process keeps waiting until exim has started. > > Exim has been configured with 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'. What is dc_minimaldns in /etc/exim

Re: Is geda-gaf in debian?

2014-09-21 Thread Joe
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:18:14 +0100 Tixy wrote: > On Sat, 2014-09-20 at 05:09 +, Frank Miles wrote: > > [...] It's simply odd that the packages derived from geda-gaf do > > not contain the gaf utility {none of the derived binary packages > > seem to have it, not even geda-utils}. > > Is 'gaf'

Re: Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-21 Thread Joe
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:33:53 +0200 lee wrote: > Hi, > > what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server > sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? > > I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session > (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:0851-0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 21 Sep 08:00 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Maybe systemd will give gnu/hurd, or minix, or plan 9 a boost. > > I've been looking at Guix this past week after discovering it almost by > accident: I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost ha

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1604+0300, David Baron wrote: > > And if a > boot command "init=/lib/sysvinit/init" will definitely yield a fallback (have > it in my lilo.conf but have not actually needed to tried it), then maybe this > can be laid to rest. Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system,

Re: Debian/Linux equivalent of RDP session / remote X11 session

2014-09-21 Thread John Hasler
lee writes: > what's the Debian or Linux equivalent to MS Windows terminal server > sessions through the remote desktop thing they have? > I would like to be able to let a user work remotely in an X11 session > (preferably with fvwm, if I have to xfce, if it can't be avoided gnome > --- KDE only c

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 14:31, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote: But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar achievements - while maybe "volunteering" for Debian - are also paid

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 14:47, David L. Craig wrote: Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system, so far, so good: # dpkg -S /lib/sysvinit/init sysvinit: /lib/sysvinit/init # dpkg -S /sbin/init sysvinit-core: /sbin/init # cmp /lib/sysvinit/init /sbin/init This only needs to be checked after mai

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 21 Sep 2014, at 15:08, "David L. Craig" wrote: > > I've been looking at Plan 9 for almost half a year now, > but since mid-July I've been focused on releasing a > cookbook for bringing it up in a virt-manager administered > virtual machine, and am closing in on releasing the > beta version

systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread Rob Owens
Looking for advice from people in the know... I submitted a general bug regarding packages which require changing your init system to systemd. I pointed out that this runs counter to Debian's goals of supporting multiple init systems. The bug was closed without fixing in a matter of hours. Perh

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/21/2014 1:12 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical >> aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in >> Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I voted for systemd: > https://

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:12:51 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in > > Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I voted for s

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/21/2014 5:15 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > On 21/09/2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 9/20/2014 4:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: >>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote: These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people, particularly users, from doing something which would cont

Re: sound recording

2014-09-21 Thread Doug
On 09/21/2014 07:14 AM, Paweł Ch. wrote: > Hi list, > > I use debian jessie and sound recording in audacity or skype does not work. > > Microphone as a device is operative. Audacity does not show fluctuacion when > recording is enable. I use alsamixer command to adjust capture slider. > What I s

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Sep21:1604+0300, David Baron wrote: > > > > And if a > > boot command "init=/lib/sysvinit/init" will definitely yield a fallback > > (have > > it in my lilo.conf but have not actually needed to tried it), then maybe > > this

Re: The way of becoming a DM/DD?

2014-09-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:43:30AM +, lumin wrote: > Hi there, > > I want to take some action to participate in Debian, > but I don't know if I am on the right way. > > I found some related resources here: > https://www.debian.org/devel/ > and I want to know if I should read it __recursively_

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in > depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought > to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent decision > as to whether to upgrade or g

Re: Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:43:40PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image on > a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seemed to go smoothly, including What was url from where you got the mini.iso CD? -- "If you're not careful, the newspa

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in >> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought >> to my attention. It has allowed me to make an in

Re: Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-21 Thread Lars Noodén
On 09/21/2014 06:54 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:43:40PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image on a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seemed to go smoothly, including What was url from where you got the mini.

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400 > > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > >> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in > >> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:37:03 +0100 Martin Read napísal: > On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote: > > Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so > > ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible. > > Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks > ridicu

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/21/2014 12:03 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400 >>> Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in depth

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1544+0100, Martin Read wrote: > Shorter, but incorrect and unsafe. On Debian jessie and later (and thus, by > extension, the current state of Debian sid), /sbin/init means "the currently > installed default init system". As such, it is not the correct way to set up > a fallback configur

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread John Hasler
Rob Owens writes: > I submitted a general bug regarding packages which require changing > your init system to systemd. I pointed out that this runs counter to > Debian's goals of supporting multiple init systems. No, it doesn't. Any individual package can depend on any other package. Unfortunate

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1618+0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > > You didn't accept an upgrade to the new default init system. But you > accepted the new sysvinit package. Yes, after systemd broke the system as described in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrep

Eclipse do not start in jessie

2014-09-21 Thread Niklas Seyfarth
Hi, since my last update eclipse hangs during startup with "Loading Workbench", but do not show the select workspace window. I already tried to purge and reinstall eclipse to exclude any config error. Has anyone an idea how to fix it? Thank you in advance, Niklas signature.asc Description: Ope

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:12:51 -0700 Don Armstrong napísal: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in > > Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I v

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/21/2014 at 12:12 PM, John Hasler wrote: > Rob Owens writes: > >> I submitted a general bug regarding packages which require >> changing your init system to systemd. I pointed out that this >> runs counter to Debian's goals of supporting mul

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 21 sep 14, 18:47:46, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:12:51 -0700 Don Armstrong > napísal: > > > > Debian's website, installer, and many parts of the software that > > Debian provides are all translated. See > > https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ for example. > > Are you ex

Re: SFTP chroot and FileZilla question

2014-09-21 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:33:16AM -0400, David Parker wrote: Hi, > However, if I connect using FileZilla, I see that I am in /home and I can > freely navigate the rest of the filesystem. What's up with that? I would > really like for this user account to be jailed regardless of the client, > a

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was brought to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intelligent decision as to whether to

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 15:48, Rob Owens wrote: The bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762116 I think I agree with John Hasler in: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01430.html that much of this is a matter of Debian package dependencies reflecting dependencies of the up

Re: sound recording

2014-09-21 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Doug. Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:32:38 -0400 вы писали: > > I use debian jessie and sound recording in audacity or skype does > > not work. > > > > Microphone as a device is operative. Audacity does not show > > fluctuacion when recording is enable. I use alsami

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

2014-09-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Sven Hartge wrote: > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Sven Hartge wrote: > >> Patrick Bartek wrote: > > >>> For all the good it will do. Google isn't going to change it. If > >>> they were, they would have done so already. Solution? Downgrade > >>> or insta

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 12:16:44 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Sep21:1618+0100, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > > > > You didn't accept an upgrade to the new default init system. But you > > accepted the new sysvinit package. > > Yes, after syst

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > Filing bugs about that against the packages which depend on that > functionality, as advised in the mail closing the bug which this > thread is about, is not productive; they don't control what provides > the functionality they need. What did those packages do for that funct

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:47:46 +0200 Slavko wrote: > > > Try to help by providing translations, and you'll find it's > > > impossible because there's nowhere and no one to offer such service. > > > > Debian's website, installer, and many parts of the software that > > Debian provides are all

Any stats for quantifying Debian's maintenance magnitude?

2014-09-21 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
Disclaimer: I tried to jump back into the fray last night. Ended up with two epic long chapters now sitting in draft. It was just too much.. Up this morning and now seeing all kinds of "that topic" related activity again today. Mixed in among those threads was something that comes out about this t

Re: Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew Winnenberg
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 05:43:40 AM Lars Noodén wrote: > I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image > on a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seemed to go smoothly, including > installing Grub, but when it is time to boot, the machine only ever > shows a blinking

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Miles. Спасибо за ответ, Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:23:57 -0400 вы писали: > >> I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in > >> depth the whole time. And I, for one, am very happy this was > >> brought to my attention. It has allowed me to make an intellig

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/21 14:13 "Don Armstrong" : > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in > > Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I voted for systemd: >https://bugs.

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it continues here. > And shutting people up is not going to make the problem go away. It > will, however, make users go away. I, for one, am looking at other > systems now.

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:12:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical > > aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in > > Jessie. > > You can start by reading why I voted

excessive CPU usage

2014-09-21 Thread Gary Roach
Hi all For the last few months I have been plagued by very slow response from my system. As an example, it takes 2 1/2 minutes to drag and drop 80 files from my email inbox to the trash bin in icedove. It has taken as high as 5 minutes for iceweasel to load. This problem is not just these pac

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/21/2014 at 01:37 PM, John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> Filing bugs about that against the packages which depend on that >> functionality, as advised in the mail closing the bug which this >> thread is about, is not productive;

Unable to login with skype (was Re: Faking it with skype)

2014-09-21 Thread Joel Roth
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:51:25PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 09:04:41AM +0200, Hans wrote: > > > > > I had already tried one method of doing that - using the suggested > > > method which involved using sed - which was offered as an alternative > > > to using a hexeditor (w

Re: excessive CPU usage

2014-09-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:54:01 -0700 Gary Roach wrote: > Has anyone else had a similar problem or have any idea what is going on. apt-get install iotop. Run iotop as root once you experience a slowdown. The process on top of the list is the one which's causing all this mess on your PC (most

Re: crm_gui

2014-09-21 Thread Rahul Patil
Can anyone guide me how to make Pacemaker-mgmt gui work ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/loom.20140921t204442-...@post.gmane.org

Re: excessive CPU usage

2014-09-21 Thread Gary Dale
Could be virtuoso or nepomuk. I had similar problems from time to time that were traced to one of those two programs. On 21/09/14 02:54 PM, Gary Roach wrote: Hi all For the last few months I have been plagued by very slow response from my system. As an example, it takes 2 1/2 minutes to drag

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

2014-09-21 Thread Paul van der Vlis
op 21-09-14 13:40, Sven Hartge schreef: > Patrick Bartek wrote: >> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Sven Hartge wrote: >>> Patrick Bartek wrote: > For all the good it will do. Google isn't going to change it. If they were, they would have done so already. Solution? Downgrade or install GLI

Random

2014-09-21 Thread David Baron
On my 64 bit Sid box, seems that certain applications/games come up the same every execution. Would normally expect a random pattern. This is not all of them but many.. Which random generators should be installed, now seeded/configures? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.de

Re: Booting Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on MacBookPro 8.2

2014-09-21 Thread Lars Noodén
On 09/21/2014 09:05 PM, Andrew Winnenberg wrote: On Sunday, September 21, 2014 05:43:40 AM Lars Noodén wrote: I've installed Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 7.6 (wheezy) from a mini.iso CD image on a MacBookPro 8.2. The installation seemed to go smoothly, including installing Grub, but when it is time to

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 10:48:51 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > Looking for advice from people in the know... > > I submitted a general bug regarding packages which require changing your > init system to systemd. I pointed out that this runs counter to > Debian's goals of supporting multiple init syste

Re: Random

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 20:14, David Baron wrote: On my 64 bit Sid box, seems that certain applications/games come up the same every execution. Would normally expect a random pattern. This is not all of them but many.. Which random generators should be installed, now seeded/configures? Application softwar

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

2014-09-21 Thread Sven Hartge
Paul van der Vlis wrote: > op 21-09-14 13:40, Sven Hartge schreef: >> You cannot install it in a way t run it side by side. By installing >> the libc6 package from Jessie it will overwrite the one from Wheezy. >> This is how the package manager works. > Correct, but... >> This late in the relea

Re: Random

2014-09-21 Thread David Baron
On Sunday 21 September 2014 20:24:08 Martin Read wrote: > On 21/09/14 20:14, David Baron wrote: > > On my 64 bit Sid box, seems that certain applications/games come up the > > same every execution. Would normally expect a random pattern. > > > > This is not all of them but many.. Which random gene

Re: excessive CPU usage

2014-09-21 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:54:01AM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: > Hi all > > For the last few months I have been plagued by very slow response > from my system. As an example, it takes 2 1/2 minutes to drag and > drop 80 files from my email inbox to the trash bin in icedove. It > has taken as high

Re: MDADM RAID1 of external USB 3.0 Drives

2014-09-21 Thread lee
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 03:51:54AM +0200, lee wrote: >> Andrew McGlashan writes: >> >> > Whilst it is usually quite easy to find older server class hardware at >> > bargain prices (compared to new), it is often the case that older >> > hardware is slower and much l

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread lee
Bret Busby writes: > Can we please have a list established, that is purely for providing > support for users, and, that is free of the perpetual bitching - > systemd this and systemd that? Nobody prevents you from establishing such a list ... -- Knowledge is volatile and fluid. Software is

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: >> What I don't understand is that criticism and other forms of speaking >> up cannot be considered as a form of contribution. > > Constructive criticism is often a useful contribution. Destructive > criticism, much less so. > > Disagree all you want, but don't malign others

Re: i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-21 Thread lee
green writes: > lee wrote at 2014-09-20 13:34 -0500: >> There's also i3, if you can live with a tiling WM that doesn't support >> sticky floating windows yet. > > I enjoy using i3. What is this "sticky floating windows" feature that > I am missing? After searching, it seems to be almost the sam

Re: Replacement RAID hard drives - do they have to be "clean"?

2014-09-21 Thread lee
Ken Heard writes: > One of my boxes has a RAID1 using two Seagate SATA 3.0 1 tb hard drives. > I need to replace one of them, and I would like to use as a replacement > a Samsung SATA 2.0 1 tb drive which already has on it data which I do > not need to keep. > > My first question is: although bo

Re: nfs mounting

2014-09-21 Thread lee
marko...@eunet.rs writes: > Maybe you have "noauto" option? Nope. -- Knowledge is volatile and fluid. Software is power. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.de

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