-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/21/2014 at 08:59 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote: >> I am most concerned about the systemd project's intention to >> subsume many other projects rather than simply be a cooperative >> member of the vast Free Software ecosystem. It seems to me that >> this is the source of much of the angst presented here and >> elsewhere. To me this is a troubling attitude that overshadows >> whatever technical improvement systemd sought to bring to the >> Free desktop. Agreed wholeheartedly. This points back, again, to "do one thing and do it well" - which, IIRC which I may well not, the systemd developers have claimed they do... by way of defining their "one thing" as "manage the boot process" and/or as "handle things which can be better handled, or at least managed, inside of PID 1 than outside of it", even though A: those are really separate things and B: either one is far more than one thing in the end. >> The angst is a natural reaction to this sort of invasive attitude >> in what has been mostly a very cooperative community for the >> previous 18 years that I have been working with and using Free >> Software. Unfortunately, this attitude and its product have >> become a large enough presence that they're no longer just a >> routing problem. > > For what it's worth - the angst is reflected not just here, but on > the debian-devel and the linux-kernel (kernel developers) list as > well (I've started monitoring that to see to what extent kernel > developers are starting to migrate to distros that haven't adopted > systemd, and to which ones - no conclusion yet). Any pointers on the LKML side of this? I read debian-devel, but I'm still years behind on my LKML backlog - and if there's levels of publicly discussed systemd-related pain there worthy of being described as "angst", I may want to jump forward to read it. > Maybe systemd will give gnu/hurd, or minix, or plan 9 a boost. I suspect it already is giving *BSD a boost, at least, and possibly some of the others. But I also suspect that any such boost will not be enough, in the end and in the "market", to overcome the advantages and the lead that Linux has. - -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUHtBzAAoJEASpNY00KDJr1rkQAKF2+LheQuXGxKjsxU504OyP 7sX2k7H8qE8cqJggCVB4QB+BELtWcZlCJUQ/Bu6lAvqEIOXsgJz+/QRpS2NMb2NO 3licUgH5CKC0Mw7wD1S8GRi/noJqBiuJ4naNHaQ/7OwmTtS3227NiHe57cXO4vrE GA1c5B5kLyjClddbXml1SYaWot5aVD/GbUttF7GzLEmLnPV3kMU7PhmtiqTfGPWu u3e7MH46auM5gHxb3b1Y9bnRJAwIMQTBDD4JBeKvZGYryb3Bit0qx1njtlIX807m NQssa55RERyu9nR2eZdPE80Rw3D5uX3iIGbSd5QmXRVVrCtqb/imD2wG36M4lEV5 2JYaXPbC0nEV7ObGXp3iNXZls9z1dzIihovJdxPXdswp37DvXbCGJMp9ly0Ro9+T 4ORZRU2pp2vULybMjoeCzaRWaFC/V3+4RO91xsmnOnp4oBEilZU0nzbTl3cKsRu2 AcZCRyxBG6NHHuD4DSznojs+LCOwPbHc/AIsa7Ema8tXx4go1Pcqa758mYfAKNc9 YwgHryLrKXRHavbSXMFMMX3c3OLlQdrAeFukzwcJjEZP+hWc0mf5cp/Cphto1VTZ q6q8ijtAQo1qExU7r2HhET7YoIDAr36ce649KvsTDgf0th/4kW6bNO6IX7CHSdw5 CkiArUYH45YpKXK33iCj =SrvM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541ed073.6010...@fastmail.fm
