Martin Read wrote:
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
As you can see, it's not only Debian developers I'm disappointed with.
Sadly, the quality of Debian has declined over the years --- and I'm not
the only one saying that --- and one of the reasons for this might be
disregard for the users.
My mileage varies; in my experience, Debian in 2014 is a
higher-quality distribution than Debian in 2004. The obvious example
is that sound (for all practical purposes) Just Works on my current
Debian system (all I had to do was pop open pavucontrol and tweak the
sliders), whereas in 2004 or 2006 it definitely didn't Just Work.
My experience is a bit different. The release of udev caused all kinds
of problems on my server, and made it more difficult to track things
down (had to learn new procedures, change old ones, change config files,
etc.)
I'm one of those folks who sticks with stable code until the very last
moment, before upgrading -- let other people wring out the bugs. Makes
for much stabler production systems.
Stuck with sarge and etch until the very last moment. Still running
Lenny on a couple of servers, squeeze on the rest -- pretty much have to
update the Lenny servers at this point what with no more security,
anti-spam, or anti-virus updates. Each time I've updated, it seems like
there were more incompatibilities to deal with, more packages that I
had to compile and install from upstream, and so forth. And I'm not
really changing what we're doing - basic server stuff.
So far, I've tended to stick with a release long enough that I could
skip releases on updates. I'm with the folks who stuck with Windows XP
to the bitter end and then jumped the Vista debacle entirely (or are
paying for aftermarket XP security updates). My Mac is still at 10.6
(and Apple still supports it) - haven't seen any benefits from the
updates on my wife's machine (and then woe to all those folks going
through iOS 8 updates.
Unfortunately, all this systemd stuff is making it increasingly clear
that my next upgrade is to Wheezy, then I start looking for another
distro (if only both Xen dom0 and ZFS were available on one of the BSDs
- you can't get the combination to work right now; either that or one of
the opensolaris derivatives - SmartOS is starting to look very good).
And... by the way, what happened to "old stable" -
https://www.debian.org/releases/ now lists squeeze as obsolete.
Miles Fidelman
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In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
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