On Monday 03 March 2014 07:05:22 Doug wrote:
> It would seem that XSane is smart enough to scan
> without any other drivers
This is very much not my experience. I have always found that XSANE
needs drivers, and if they are not available says that it cannot find
the scanner.
Lisi
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> Hmm, I thought the 'count=' stuff was only needed for CD-ROMs. Again, I
> prefer to keep things simple and would rather use just:
>
> md5sum /dev/sdb
This will not give you the MD5 of the image that was copied to
the beginning of the storage device, unless the image size is
exactly th
On 03/03/14 16:56, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, y...@marupa.net wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:05:20 From: y...@marupa.net To:
>> debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Four people decided the
>> fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith and other such complete
>> fabrications
On 03/03/14 17:00, ghaverla wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>> You *imagine*, not "think" (using reductive logic?). I'm sure your
>> not a bully who forces your ideas onto those that do want fast boot
>> instead of hibernation.
>
> Did you really need to sen
Hi,
I installed debian 7 on another system, I want to copy the packages from my
system and paste them to the other system, but without download and also
without need to install them.
tanx
On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote:
>
> Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting,
> and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups
> is almost the NULL set. I think the answer to faster booting is
> hibernation, and people have been pl
On 03/03/14 19:10, Fatemeh m wrote:
> Hi,
> I installed debian 7 on another system, I want to copy the packages from
> my system and paste them to the other system, but without download and
> also without need to install them.
> tanx
Copy the packages to the other system. You can do that by CD/DV
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 06:09:46PM -0700, ghaverla wrote:
[BIG snip]
> With Respect To boot times, I would think moving to a specialised shell
> that had no interactive capability (such as Gnu Readline) might be a
> place to start. That the "shell" often had to invoke subshells to do
> things, to
Last few weekends I struggled with the GPT. I've tried to install debian
7.2 from live DVD (but booting from USB). However, at the end of
installation I always receive the message "Grub-pc package failed to
install into /target/", or something like that. Now, I'm aware that I
can solve this by
Am Freitag, 17. Januar 2014, 09:38:17 schrieb Charlie:
> From my Keyboard:
>
> Just a quick question. Does anyone use Zimbra mail and know something
> about setting it up. Have changed to a new ISP and they us Zimbra
> mail. They set up the default account without too much trouble othe
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Doug wrote:
On 03/03/2014 12:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:Debian; why provision is not made,
to allow software that runs on Debian 5, to run on Debian 6 and Debian 7.
As a single example, I have a multifunction printer, of which, the
multifunctionality worked with Debian 5.
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote:
> >
> > Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting,
> > and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups
> > is almost the NULL set. I think the answer to faster booting is
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context
> of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution
> of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being
> included in the offical Debian version.
htt
I agree with Scott completely (if this is not obvious from my own post),
but I'd like to add:
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 19:03:44, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
> When you install you are asked if you want to include the non-free and
> contrib repositories. non-free is what it says it, and contrib is
> package
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:10:46 Bret Busby wrote:
> The device is a Samsung CLX3185FW, and it had drivers that worked
> with Debian 5.
Contact Samsung. If you have difficulty in getting through to someone
who speaks "Linux" mail me off-list and I'll give you a name.
A client had bought a Samsu
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 03/03/14 16:56, Bret Busby wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, y...@marupa.net wrote:
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:05:20 From: y...@marupa.net To:
debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Four people decided the
fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith and othe
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:49:13 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> I strongly advise that on your next buy (not necessarily MFPs) you
> also consider how well that device is supported with Linux. Bonus
> if the manufacturer contributes to that support. If enough of us
> are doing the same it might eventually
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote:
Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context
of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution
of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being
include
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 10:40:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote:
> > >
> > > Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting,
> > > and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups
> > >
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 17:10:46, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply
> does not work with Debian Linux after Debian 5, other than using a
> printer driver for, I think the Samsung CL317x series.
Did you try splix?
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote:
Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context
of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution
of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being
include
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:01:10
From: Andrei POPESCU
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 17:10:46, Bret Busby wrote:
Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply
does n
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:31:20
From: Lisi Reisz
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight
Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:48:12 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:49:13 A
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:41 PM, NoTo CTTE
wrote:
> Systemd is over 200,000 lines of ring0 running bullshit.
> Regular inits are under 10k lines of code inclusive.
> Some are 100 lines of code.
>
> Hmm which is easier to find exploits in.
> SystemD.
>
> Notice how the [...]
Just for the record, I
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Scott Ferguson
wrote:
> On 03/03/14 16:56, Bret Busby wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> As a single example, I have a multifunction printer, of which, the
>> multifunctionality worked with Debian 5. Now, it is only a laser
>> printer, running with Debian 6 - to use it to scan,
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> [...]
> But, Linux, and, the Linux community, should not have the same objective; it
> should instead, be preserving the (that I believe to be) primary objective
> of UNIX; that a programme that is written for one version, can run on any
> versio
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate that, for my
> own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
> purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a
> lot of money - so
> I want to do number crunching, I don't want to be bothered by the boot
> process. It works. If I have to go make coffee while the boot process
> is happening, I'll go make coffee.
While your invisible guests are doing somthing similar inside your
computer? :D
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:30:08 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> For example, initscripts are so VERY not portable. I am sorry to say this,
> but
> it is true. In theory they should be, as you state, according the UNIX
> Philosophy they should be. But here comes the problem of that philosophy
> ass
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:20:44 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> You grow up. Technically inferior stuff always seems to get the money,
> but you get to live in the results of your choices.
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:00:40 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> > > Doesn't make the decision to drop SysV Init, a system
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:53:51 +
Jack wrote:
> On 02/03/2014 05:11, Eric Newcomb wrote:
> > Technical issues aside, I went through the list of members of the
> > tech-ctte, found here: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization. I
> > searched each name on the list on Google, and I can't hones
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:53:28 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> Which probably demonstrates why there's no hidden agenda going on surrounding
> systemd and there were legitimate reasons why it was finally chosen.
Of course there were legitimate reasons, but only those reasons that are
important for
On Mon 03 Mar 2014 at 19:04:20 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> The responses that I got from Samsung, were that their printers are
> not compatible with Debian Linux, after Debian Linux 5.
>
> I had contacted Samsung.
Manufacturers neglecting to continue support for equipment is nothing
new. You choo
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 18:57:09, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> I think that it is unfortunate that we are apparently expected to
> throw out all of our hardware (including printers and other such
> accessories), and, replace it all, each time a new version of an
> operating system, is released.
http://en.wik
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 19:02:09, Bret Busby wrote:
> >>
> >>Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply
> >>does not work with Debian Linux after Debian 5, other than using a
> >>printer driver for, I think the Samsung CL317x series.
> >
> >Did you try splix?
>
> Couldn't get splix
ha wrote:
> Last few weekends I struggled with the GPT. I've tried to install
> debian 7.2 from live DVD (but booting from USB). However, at the end
> of installation I always receive the message "Grub-pc package failed
> to install into /target/", or something like that. Now, I'm aware that
> I
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > I completely disagree. I had quite a nicely complex storage server
> > with trunking and multipath things on, and it was sane and clean.
>
> Until one looks under the hood :(
With "under the hood" you mean the assembler code?
I did the configuration using the
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 12:52:40PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a
lot of money - so in those circumstances a few minutes makes a lot of
difference. Perhaps
Fred Wilson writes:
> What systemd brings is something usefull only for companies that has
> money to pay for high-end servers, clusters, supercomputers
I mostly disagree with this point of view, since these machine rarely
stop.
There could be some benefit in elastic provision ov VMs and i
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 14:29:16, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>
> Systemd can help a bit in making a little easier to have tools that
> satisfy the (not so) basic need "to have this device mounted here if
> it is plugged, otherwise go ahead with the bootstrap" for the
> completely
On Monday 03 March 2014 12:51:18 Brian wrote:
> What rabbit do you expect Debian to pull out of the hat to fix a
> closed source driver? You could always run your CLX3185FW with
> Debian 5. :)
Samsung does supply later drivers.
Lisi
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On Sun 02 Mar 2014 at 15:12:01 +, Tom Furie wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:24:26PM +, Brian wrote:
>
> > The interesting questions involve what is happening on bendel after a
> > mail is accepted.
> >
> > 1. Why is any mail delayed for 15 minutes before onward transmission?
>
> Co
Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classicdebian linux distribution and let the american and theircontroled european employees to waddle into the morassof systemd?Linus is half bought and paied for too, he uses fedora withall the mess. He was asked if he was asked to put in abackdoor int
> On 27/02/14 15:37, Meier wrote:
>> In my laptop there is a SSD which I decided to finally use. So I made
>> one big partition out of it, and copied my root file system onto it (cp
>> -ax, while / was mounted read-only). My root filesystem includes /var
>> but not /home or /boot. I'm using the act
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 14:29:16, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU writes:
> >
> > Systemd can help a bit in making a little easier to have tools that
> > satisfy the (not so) basic need "to have this device mounted here if
> > it is plugged, otherwise go ahead
Arnold Bird writes:
> Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classic
> debian linux distribution
It would support the kremvax architecture but have some nietwork
problems
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On 03/03/14 14:40, Sven Hartge wrote:
ha wrote:
Last few weekends I struggled with the GPT. I've tried to install
debian 7.2 from live DVD (but booting from USB). However, at the end
of installation I always receive the message "Grub-pc package failed
to install into /target/", or something li
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:59:06 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 10:40:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU writes:
...
> > > Hibernation has it's own set of problems, especially as RAM sizes go up.
> >
> > I am interested in this issue. Could you tell some more about th
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:10:46 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby wrote:
...
> Debian 6 apparently made most printers "paperweight" or "sopmetimes
> works", in functionality.
>
> Something significant, changed between Debian Linux 5 and Debian Linux
> 6, that reduced the functionality of the operating syste
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 07:42:32 -0800
"Arnold Bird" wrote:
> Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classic
> debian linux distribution and let the american and their
> controled european employees to waddle into the morass
> of systemd?
You're putting it wrong way. Everyone knows that in Sov
On 03/03/14 10:33, ha wrote:
Last few weekends I struggled with the GPT. I've tried to install debian
7.2 from live DVD (but booting from USB). However, at the end of
installation I always receive the message "Grub-pc package failed to
install into /target/", or something like that. Now, I'm awar
On 3/3/2014 7:30 AM, Fred Wilson wrote:
Please look at what technical superiority of systemd consists of and
then tell us if an ordinary user needs it. What systemd brings is
something usefull only for companies that has money to pay for high-end
servers, clusters, supercomputers and can get a c
On 3/3/2014 7:28 AM, Fred Wilson wrote:
I really don't see how 10 seconds or a minute more can hurt anyone. If
you reboot more often, then it's different. But boot time is minor
issue.
My understanding about the fast boot times argument is that it was
driven by Redhat and their work with virt
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:04:07, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 3/3/2014 7:28 AM, Fred Wilson wrote:
> >I really don't see how 10 seconds or a minute more can hurt anyone. If
> >you reboot more often, then it's different. But boot time is minor
> >issue.
>
> My understanding about the fast boot times argument
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 11:27:59, Celejar wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > Depending on RAM size and what you were running at the time you set your
> > computer to hibernate it may just take longer to resume (i.e. read the
> > stuff from slow storage) than to cold boot. This may have been solve
On 03/03/14 23:28, Fred Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>> Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate that, for my
>> own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
>> purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 03/03/14 23:28, Fred Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate that, for my
own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
purposes involve meeting SLAs so r
All bullshit. Notice how the systemd men always talk in corporate speak.
Says volumes. Your supposed contracts can go to hell.
--- scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Scott Ferguson
To: Debian-User
Subject: Re: was Four people troll - now meandering off elsewhere
Date: Tue, 04 Mar
I tried disabling udev today. Mouse and keyboard didnt work in X.org after that.
This wasn't the case years ago. Another bunch of cruft required. It sucks.
--- mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
From: Miles Fidelman
To: Debian-User
Subject: Re: was Four people troll - now meandering off elsewher
On 04/03/14 00:40, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 12:52:40PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
>> purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a
>> lot of money - so in those circumstances
On 04/03/14 08:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 03/03/14 23:28, Fred Wilson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100 Scott Ferguson
>>> wrote:
>>>
Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate
that, for my own personal computers my sentiments a
All bullsht. Notice how the system(c++) men always talk in corporate speak.
Says volumes. Your supposed contracts can go to hell.
--- scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Scott Ferguson
To: Debian-User
Subject: Re: was Four people troll - now meandering off elsewhere
Date: Tue, 04
I also get this delays.
Debian developers in the tech-ctte list
were talking about deleting all anti-systemd
mail as spam. Maybe they are going through
the mails to make sure no more anti-systemd
"trolling" gets through. They do not want
anyone to question the victory.
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:26:48 -0800
"Natural Linux" wrote:
> System V is NOT hard to "maintain"
> The scripts were written YEARS ago. They're fine. They do NOT need to
> be changed. Debian SysV has concurrent boot aswell.
Hey Natural Linux
You and I are different.
When I post, I put my real nam
Russia is more traditionally minded these days, it looks like from the outside.
USA is flip collar up, damn the consequences, individuals have no meaning
(collateral damage (aka reckless and willful murder)), fuck the past, kinda
asshole thinking.
I hope russians would not wish to jump into a hol
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 04/03/14 08:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 03/03/14 23:28, Fred Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100 Scott Ferguson
wrote:
Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate
that, for my own personal computers my sentiments ar
Russia is more traditionally minded these days, it looks like from the outside.
USA is flip collar up, da*n the consequences, individuals have no meaning
(collateral damage (aka reckless and willful murder)), f*k the past, kinda
as*h*le thinking.
I hope russians would not wish to jump into a hole
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:54:33 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 11:27:59, Celejar wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > Depending on RAM size and what you were running at the time you set your
> > > computer to hibernate it may just take longer to resume (i.e. read the
> >
I wish I could do that with systemd but you people have
forced your way and now stand at the top of every
major linux distribution that exists.
Yes, I fight to beable to pull my head out of the BS.
You are intent on not allowing anyone that freedom.
--- scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/03/14 03:19, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Arnold Bird/Fred Smith/Troll writes:
>
>> Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classic
>> debian linux distribution
>
> It would support the kremvax architecture but have some *nietwork*
> problems
>
Very punny! :D
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On 04/03/14 09:32, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 04/03/14 08:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 03/03/14 23:28, Fred Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100 Scott Ferguson
> wrote:
>
>>
>> We don't move to stable until it's bee
Is it not in the unfree repository?
Alot of stuff was moved there.
--- cele...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Celejar
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:36:13 -0500
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:10:46 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby wrote:
...
>
It's a good suggestion since for some reason
even though most users hate the idea.
most system admins hate the idea.
SystemC incremented by one is being pushed
by american and european people who have
taken over key positions in every major
linux distro.
Once they take over they offer for all of
It's a good suggestion since for some reason
even though most users hate the idea.
most system admins hate the idea.
SystemC incremented by one is being pushed
by american and european people who have
taken over key positions in every major
linux distro.
Once they take over they offer for all of
It's a good suggestion since for some reason
even though most users hate the idea.
most system admins hate the idea.
SystemC incremented by one is being pushed
by american and european people who have
taken over key positions in every major
linux distro.
Once they take over they offer for all of
It's a good suggestion since for some reason
even though most users hate the idea.
most system admins hate the idea.
SystemC incremented by one is being pushed
by American and European people who have
taken over key positions in every major
linux distro.
Once they take over they offer for all of
- Original Message -
From: Celejar
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:21:04 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith
likely
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:54:33 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 11:27:59, Celej
I myself do not like systemd either.
Why don't I go use some other distro
since a vote was won on some corner
mailing list by a grand total of
4 people infavor and 4 people against
about one week ago??
Well:
Debian is the universal operating system.
I shouldn't have to.
Everyone, here it is a
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On 04/03/14 11:02, Arnold Bird wrote:
> I myself do not like systemd either.
Bully for you. You've pointed that out, many times. Maybe using all
those different names has further confused you - Fred Wilson, Natural
Linux, NoStuffIdontUnderstand, etc, unless... it's all an act.
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I'm about to replace one of my old 32-bit x86 Debian boxes with a
64-bit; I'll actually just be moving the disk drives out of the old box
into the new one and doing any minor configuration changes that'll be
neede (which will be very minor). So, while I'm at it, I'm curious --
is there any clean w
On 03/03/2014 07:02 PM, Arnold Bird wrote:
I myself do not like systemd either.
Why don't I go use some other distro
since a vote was won on some corner
mailing list by a grand total of
4 people infavor and 4 people against
about one week ago??
Well:
Debian is the universal operating system.
I
On 3/3/2014 5:12 PM, Arnold Bird wrote:
All bullshit. Notice how the systemd men always talk in corporate speak.
Says volumes. Your supposed contracts can go to hell.
So says the guy who can't even reply to the list properly (in multiple
instances)...
Note that I am not necessarily a fan
So because systemd people won, now after 13 years I have to leave
and find another distro.
This is BS.
The systemd people do this is every single distro they take over.
It is their way or the highway.
I absolutely hate you systemd people.
--- jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
From: Jerry Stuckle
Can't do it all myself.
Debian was created by 1000s of people.
The systemd people take over.
They then say all anti-systemd debate is trlling
or spm, and that anyone that doesn't
like systemd has to go make their own
linux distribution by themselves,
no matter the fact that they, the systemd
peo
Once again, you rant multiple lists whilst hiding who you are.
I am Zenaan Harkness. I have some (not all) strongly held views.
As an aside, I shall use systemd and have tried a few times now, but
have a technical issue or two with my setup when using systemd, which
I need to find time to solve f
Hi everyone,
I just checked with my local Linux group (GoLUG), and the opinions
there are that systemd is not a particularly good thing. I also heard
from our LUG's most vociferous proponent of Daemontools that Daemontools
wouldn't be a good replacement because it has no concept of running
things
> --- dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
> From: Doug
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems - SysV is
> FINE.
> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 19:27:23 -0500
> [...]
> 1. Debian is *not* the universal operating system. After Windows and Mac
>
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> I wish I could do that with systemd but you people have
> forced your way and now stand at the top of every
> major linux distribution that exists.
Mr Arnatural Linux Bird,
> Yes, I fight to beable to pull my head out of the BS.
> You are intent on not allowing an
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> I wish I could do that with systemd but you people have
> forced your way and now stand at the top of every
> major linux distribution that exists.
Mr Arnatural Linux Bird,
> Yes, I fight to beable to pull my head out of the BS.
> You are intent on not allowing an
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> Free init:
> *simple
> *clean
> *easy to use
>
> Visit OpenRC, or /etc/rc for your instant freedom from headaches.
OK, just did that. But I'm still hearing you. Any other suggestions
for my headache?
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On 3/3/2014 8:40 PM, Arnold Bird wrote:
So because systemd people won, now after 13 years I have to leave
and find another distro.
This is BS.
The systemd people do this is every single distro they take over.
It is their way or the highway.
I absolutely hate you systemd people.
As I said -
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> All bullsht. Notice how the system(c++) men always talk in corporate speak.
> Says volumes. Your supposed contracts can go to hell.
At least they're _men_. I prefer humans, with speaking.
I also like yoda, me he encouraged my inner dyslexic to embrace.
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On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> Russia is more traditionally minded these days, it looks like from the
> outside.
> USA is flip collar up, damn the consequences, individuals have no meaning
> (collateral damage (aka reckless and willful murder)), fuck the past, kinda
> asshole thinking.
>
> I hope
On 04/03/14 02:50, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I just checked with my local Linux group (GoLUG), and the opinions
> there are that systemd is not a particularly good thing. I also heard
> from our LUG's most vociferous proponent of Daemontools that Daemontools
> wouldn't be a good repla
On 3/3/14, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 02/03/14 23:21, disbandtechc...@tfwno.gf wrote:
>> Notice how the fknuts always try to change the tables.
>> "It's YOU who are the shill!"
>
> OMG you're so right (lol)
>
> Not that I want to keep you from your work.
>
In all seriousness, the work of a
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> I myself do not like systemd either.
>
> Why don't I go use some other distro
> since a vote was won on some corner
> mailing list by a grand total of
> 4 people infavor and 4 people against
> about one week ago??
>
> Well:
>
> Debian is the universal operating syst
This is called projection.
The poster evidently has a very hard case of it.
"The world is so mean. I didn't get what I want. So I'm going to keep
crying publicly and say a bunch of untrue and severe exaggeratons."
Oh well, hopefully time will heal...
Zenaan
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> Ca
By emailing each of the above email mailing lists, it's not hard to
guess who you are.
It is sad.
It is in your interests (for sanity, to stop your tsunami of loss of
respect, etc) to simply stop.
Take a holiday.
Come back in a time (weeks, months) that provides for you to return to
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