Corrin Lakeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I agree, and if Harry had criticised the CDs then I would have refuted that.
> But, looking at Harry's problems, none of them were caused by the
> installation CD which (by luck more than anything) appeared to work
> perfectly. So, I don't think it
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On Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:33, Simon Hepburn wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 Mar 2002 2:25 am, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
> > Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel where we
> > concluded that ordinary users are best running testing. You can't
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:33:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> What _is_ the point of this message? Are you saying that woody
> is not yet release quality? We know that already. Are you trying to
> say installing Debian is harder than installing other distributions,
> despite our rece
>>"Corrin" == Corrin Lakeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Corrin> I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd
Corrin> add some support for Harry's point of view here.
Actually, I would like to know what that is. Do we have
problems with testing/unstable? Yes, that is
On Wednesday 06 Mar 2002 2:25 am, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
> Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel where we
> concluded that ordinary users are best running testing. You can't complain
> they have a hard time installing testing when that is what we tell them to
> run. Yes t
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I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd add some support
for Harry's point of view here.
Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel where we
concluded that ordinary users are best running testing. You can't
Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:48:18PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> You can keep right on with the `hard guy' routine, but I think its
>> only fair to warn you that my whole body is a weapon. Hands
>> registered on 3 continents. The last guy that called me a juve
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:48:18PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> You can keep right on with the `hard guy' routine, but I think its
> only fair to warn you that my whole body is a weapon. Hands
> registered on 3 continents. The last guy that called me a juvenile
> banterer is pushing up daisies on
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Harry> You can keep right on with the `hard guy' routine, but I think its
> Harry> only fair to warn you that my whole body is a weapon. Hands
> Harry> registered on 3 continents. The last guy that called me a juvenile
> Harry> banterer is pushi
>>"Harry" == Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harry> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't' And this on a
>> > machine that has had 2 flavors of linux, 2 of the BSDs and Solaris
>> > (intel) install successfully. Hardware r
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 04:49:43PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
| Michel Loos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| > Mmm, I am quit used to install, 3com NICs and I humbly think you
| > mixed 509 with 905, there is nothing in the description of the 3c509
| > that says it should work with a 3c905.
| > The
Michel Loos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mmm, I am quit used to install, 3com NICs and I humbly think you
> mixed 509 with 905, there is nothing in the description of the 3c509
> that says it should work with a 3c905.
> The 3c509(B/TX) are old 10Mb ISA NICs, while you wher looking for the
> 3c905
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:57:09PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> In the threads here I've put together a whole plan of
> attack. Involving editing the sources.list. Knowing how to get going
> with the nic. A series of commands for apt-get that clean things up
> and get ready to install a more fles
Em Sáb, 2002-03-02 às 02:58, Harry Putnam escreveu:
> Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > received valuable help and turns out to be okee afterall. It appeared
> > that in the install he was adviced to use a certain driver for his
> > nic, turned out to be the wrong driver. Thanks t
dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sure. As I look it over again (it's been a while since I read it),
> the first sentence of Chapter 5 is :
>
> You can install Debian from a variety of sources, both local (CD,
> hard disk, floppies) and remote (FTP, NFS, PPP, HTTP).
>
> Note the FTP and
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't' And this on a
> > machine that has had 2 flavors of linux, 2 of the BSDs and Solaris
> > (intel) install successfully. Hardware recognized etc.
>
> I do have a hard time being patient with
Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> received valuable help and turns out to be okee afterall. It appeared
> that in the install he was adviced to use a certain driver for his
> nic, turned out to be the wrong driver. Thanks to the list, he's back
Close, but it was actually a helpful po
>>"Harry" == Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harry> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Considering you are asking about pre-release, unstable, wildly
>> unusable software on a users list, rather than the developers one, it
>> should come as no surprise no one would be abl
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:52:51PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
| dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| [...]
|
| > | > A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are the
| > | > details spelled out?
| >
| > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install
|
| I read that over a
At 07:56 PM 3/1/02, Carel Fellinger wrote:
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 03:40:14PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Manoj, please relax.
[[ There must be something wrong with the mail system somewhere,
there seems to be a hudge time gap between posting to the list and
receiving, and judging from
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Considering you are asking about pre-release, unstable, wildly
> unusable software on a users list, rather than the developers one, it
> should come as no surprise no one would be able to offer any help.
Horse pucky.
Manoj, you do a disservi
dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> | > A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are the
> | > details spelled out?
>
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install
I read that over a bit before asking the above question. I'll admit I
didn't read all of it word fo
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 03:40:14PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Manoj, please relax.
[[ There must be something wrong with the mail system somewhere,
there seems to be a hudge time gap between posting to the list and
receiving, and judging from your blunt reaction, for some the gap
is
>>"Harry" == Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harry> Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Harry> Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
Harry> snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
You have been conned. Woody 3.0 is in a
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 06:19:59PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
| * Harry Putnam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020228 18:14]:
| > Geordie Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| >
| > >> At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-
| > > why don't you lose all those cd's, do a network install of stable,
| >
On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 08:48, dman wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:25:01PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
> |
> | > You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
> | > woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
snip
> | BTW, to the original poster: Don't bother wi
Harry Putnam, 2002-Feb-28 15:06 -0800:
> 1) There doesn't seem to be any thorough probe of hardware. If there
>is it is not working here. And as I mentioned, even the intel
>version of solaris, which is notorious for being picky about
>hardware, probed and found everthing. So without
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:25:01PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
|
| > You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
| > woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
|
| Just out of curiosity, if someone is planning to use Woody, wouldn't it be
| easier to get the W
I'll forward #1 to the boot floppies guys, since it is a valid
observation.
#2 .. debian does not do hardware autodetection. If you don't like that,
you're welcome to use any of the other fine linux distibutions that do.
Harry Putnam wrote:
> 3) The real capper to my view was that after wading t
%% Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
>> woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
hp> A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are
hp> the details spelled out? Are we talking installi
said Harry Putnam (on 2002-02-28),
> A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are the
> details spelled out? Are we talking installing from a running
> machine? Already network enabled? My situation is that I have 2
> desktops before me. A full well used redhat 7.1 on one ma
said Harry Putnam (on 2002-02-28),
> > But, really, give Potato a try -- it won't take more than another 2 hours
> > to do a full-on installation of it, and if it works -- well, that's just
>
> I'd have to get it first. And I did already spend $40 on this adventure.
> Not a forture to be sure, bu
flow.. what does it mean
> > Configuring locales
> > Enough time wasted, moving on
>
> You may have a point there. There does seem to be someting of a lag
> in turnaround. I didn't see any of this until sometime today. Except
> a helpfull response on the locales sub
At 08:19 PM 2/28/2002, you wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 12:28:52PM -0800, Harris, Jason wrote:
> I've scores of Debian boxes that are used for revenue generating ventures.
> Downtime is not an option for me nor for who I answer to. I thought it was
> basically understood in the IT world (whate
Hi Harry,
> 1) There doesn't seem to be any thorough probe of hardware. If there
>is it is not working here. And as I mentioned, even the intel
>version of solaris, which is notorious for being picky about
>hardware, probed and found everthing. So without getting into
>specific c
Quoting Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Bob Thibodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Are we to understand that you bought cds of a version that is still
> > changeing constantly? Why? From whom? Why?
>
> >From the links on Debian home pages followed in this order:
> http://www.debian.org
* Harry Putnam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020228 18:14]:
> Geordie Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-
> > why don't you lose all those cd's, do a network install of stable,
> > then, before installing _anything_ beyond base, apt-get dist-upgrade to
"Timothy R. Butler" wrote:
>
> I think it's safe to say that what they say is true. Perhaps you are just
> having trouble setting something up rather than it being Debian's fault?
There's not much I can screw up three steps into the installation
(See my "2.2r5 Kernel Module Install Failure" whi
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 12:28:52PM -0800, Harris, Jason wrote:
> I've scores of Debian boxes that are used for revenue generating ventures.
> Downtime is not an option for me nor for who I answer to. I thought it was
> basically understood in the IT world (whatever os or software you use) that
> y
"Karl E. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How much did you post to the list? I can only find the following
> threads:
> Fresh install no network
> Neighbor table overflow.. what does it mean
> Configuring locales
> Enough time wasted, mov
On Thursday 28 February 2002 01:38 pm, Keith Parkansky wrote:
> Harry Putnam wrote:
> > I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
> > Found the install routines to be unusable.
>
> Same here on the last two counts, except
> it's been two weeks with Potato r5.
>
> And suppos
On Thursday 28 February 2002 09:38 am, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
> Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
> snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
>
[snip]
who, or what is the sphere? you got ripped off (how m
Hi,
> And supposedly nothing goes out (paraphrasing
> the debian.org Web site) "until it installs
> and works as advertised". BS like Mickeysoft
I think it's safe to say that what they say is true. Perhaps you are just
having trouble setting something up rather than it being Debian's fault?
> You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
> woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
Just out of curiosity, if someone is planning to use Woody, wouldn't it be
easier to get the Woody netinst CD, and go directly to Woody? I didn't
encounter any problems wit
Geordie Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-
> why don't you lose all those cd's, do a network install of stable,
> then, before installing _anything_ beyond base, apt-get dist-upgrade to
> testing or unstable?
dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[.
p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> "...asleep at the switch" and "...homeboy packaging": man, woody
> really tore you up. (but it's just something that's in "testing"
> mode though, right?)
Hey, those aren't swear words you know.. :-)
"Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
> Found the install routines to be unusable.
>
> All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't'
Very sorry to read that. Last summer, I got a beta woody CD (at Li
ten no help whatever from the list.
> Found the install routines to be unusable.
How much did you post to the list? I can only find the following
threads:
Fresh install no network
Neighbor table overflow.. what does it mean
Configuring locales
Enough time wasted, moving on
All o
> >
> > Maybe I should have tried the released version, but something about
> > the name `potato' puts one in mind of a large overweight weak
> > vegetable lying on a couch.
> >
Well, couch potato might be a good description for potato's
up-to-dateness. FWIW, however, I installed potato first
Harry Putnam wrote:
>
> I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
> Found the install routines to be unusable.
Same here on the last two counts, except
it's been two weeks with Potato r5.
And supposedly nothing goes out (paraphrasing
the debian.org Web site) "until it in
Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
> Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
> snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
Harry, woody hasn't been released yet, so there are no official CDs
yet. Since
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
| Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
| Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
| snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
Hmm, woody hasn't been officially released yet. If you rea
ff the
release if not relatively bug-free and/or not following Debian policy.
Jason Harris
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Subject: Enough time wasted, moving on
Anyone who wants t
said Harry Putnam (on 2002-02-28),
> Maybe I should have tried the released version, but something about
> the name `potato' puts one in mind of a large overweight weak
> vegetable lying on a couch.
>
> At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-)
why don't you lose all those cd's, do a ne
Are we to understand that you bought cds of a version that is still
changeing constantly? Why? From whom? Why?
Bob
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
> Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox w
Harry,
I'm curious what kind of problems you are having specifically. I did a
netinst install of Woody two weeks ago, with absoutely no prior Debian
experience, and I was able to get a working system in about two days (less if
I had known what I've found out now).
This is a lot more work th
On 28-Feb-2002 Harry Putnam wrote:
> Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
> Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
> snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
>
If you could send a more detailed explanation to me I will forward it on to the
ot
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
> Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
> snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
>
> I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever fro
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
All I hear from
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