I feel bad that you've had such a hard time with Woody. I tried it too about 8 months ago with the similar results. X didn't work (that was ok, since it was a server not a gui desktop), php4 didn't work, php3 wasn't available, etc... I got everything working, did an apt-get update, upgraded the newer packages (10-15 packages per day were updated then) and 10% of my operations broke again.
I've scores of Debian boxes that are used for revenue generating ventures. Downtime is not an option for me nor for who I answer to. I thought it was basically understood in the IT world (whatever os or software you use) that you would never *ever* use something called "testing" for production use. Even though I have heard 1000's of Debian woody users say its great and stable, 1000s is a small part of the Debian community, including coders, packagers & users. I realize that I myself am just a "user". I have felt like I am a greedy person for that, since I have never contributed just installed and "used". However, if there is a package that I like on stable and I would like to see it on Woody, then I would start using Woody and dealing with the 'tinkering'. If it is that important to me, then I will have to use testing and start packaging myself. This social agreement institutes barting the OS for coding/packaging and I must say it (Debian) works pretty good. I am getting proficient with dpkg, but I have not picked out a package that I care enough about yet to jump to testing. Being just a "user" </shame>, I hear that the Woody freeze is happening. I think that this means no more packages are going to be added and also by certain timelines packages that are already in there will be booted off the release if not relatively bug-free and/or not following Debian policy. Jason Harris -----Original Message----- From: Harry Putnam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:38 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Enough time wasted, moving on Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0 Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them. I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list. Found the install routines to be unusable. All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't' And this on a machine that has had 2 flavors of linux, 2 of the BSDs and Solaris (intel) install successfully. Hardware recognized etc. My nic is not found, X doesn't run, I get a message after the install that there were errors during install. Please fix the errors mentioned above... none are mentioned. I've tried the simplicity of Tasksel and the labor instensive dselect hell, 3 fullbore tries at installing. I have a non-functional system at the end of 2 days. When I see things so basic like the names referred to when the different cds are requested during package install. The names the routine asks for are nowhere on my CDs. Not that hard to see what is really meant but only because I'm already familiar with some of the lingo. Maybe I got hoodwinked getting them from `The sphere' When I see things like that gauranteed to cause confusion, I know that at the Debian organization someone is asleep at the switch. And can rest assured that I will be in for lots of unnecessary grief caused by `loose' organization and homeboy packaging. One has to think, what else is poorly done here. But then again for someone who enjoys major unnecessary tinkering. Relentless `fixes' and the like, Here is a chance to get a setup that will keep you busy for a long time, and absolutely free. I'll pay the postage too. Maybe I should have tried the released version, but something about the name `potato' puts one in mind of a large overweight weak vegetable lying on a couch. At least `woody' sounded...... well .... erect :-) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately to arrange for return or destruction of the original documents. Your cooperation is appreciated.
