On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 22:29:25 CEST Mart van de Wege wrote:
> It's USB-related, so I'd say either the kernel package or udev.
Ok, thanks. These are the related packages that were upgrated:
linux-image-4.9.0-2-amd64:amd64 (4.9.13-1, 4.9.18-1)
udev:amd64 (232-19, 232-22)
libudev1:amd64 (232-1
On 04/12/2017 06:42 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
Why don't you try ubuntu and tell us what it is like. Do I strike you
like a person needing to hold hands with anyone?
From your posts, yes. VERY much so.
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My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:05 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>
> The "choice" of going cheap on ancient hardware is that you all knowing
> expert "technical" but not "political" folk are really clueless of what
> those non-free eight-core gadgets you port your code on contain. It
> would take years of tes
On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 01:05:00 (+), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
[big snip]
> After all, to say "I am a technical guy not a political one" is a very
> politically loaded statement. Dr Strangelove was a technical guy, not
> political at all. It is those types you have to watch out for.
You've quoted my
kAt, write a novel.
Sure, some of the people here still don't realize just how bad things
are, but there are limits to what individuals and even groups do.
My dad used to tell me, if I wanted to change things, I'd have to
change them from the inside. It's a poor expression of the principle
becaus
Maybe I started my explaining at the wrong end of the thread and I get
reactions on a personal level about what I am and whether I have the
right or reason to complaint.
So I'll start from scratch.
Let's say we have market players A B and C whose primary clients are
government agencies that have
On Wednesday 12 April 2017 23:42:00 GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> Do I strike you
> like a person needing to hold hands with anyone?
Very much so.
Lisi
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 6:17 PM, GiaThnYgeia
wrote:
>
>
> Do you folk mean to tell me that at this point Debian does not have the
> power to influence industry by selecting to support only hardware with
> open/free firmware?
No, Debian does not have that power. There are no technical issues invo
On 13-04-17, Michael Lange wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:13:44 +0200
> solitone wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55:12 CEST Jochen Spieker wrote:
> > > I'd write a bug report. Your e-mail is a pretty good start.
> >
> > To Debian BTS? Related to the kernel package? I have no clues a
Jonathan Dowland:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 04:40:00PM +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> As for the other post you commented on with the same attitude I would
>> have to say that getting technical in comparing sysv with competing
>> technologies does not answer the political part of the decision making.
On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 22:24:16 (+0200), Mart van de Wege wrote:
> David Wright writes:
>
> > On Mon 10 Apr 2017 at 21:21:00 (+), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> >> For a second month under freeze not much
> >> development can take place in unstable, as it is really tomorrow's
> >> testing.
> >
> > What
Ric Moore:
> On 04/12/2017 12:40 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> David Wright:
Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness?
>>>
>>> If you don't like it, you're free to look elsewhere for a distribution
>>> that better suits you.
>>
>> Are you mr.Debian? Under what authority a
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:13:44 +0200
solitone wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55:12 CEST Jochen Spieker wrote:
> > I'd write a bug report. Your e-mail is a pretty good start.
>
> To Debian BTS? Related to the kernel package? I have no clues as to
> what component might be actually involved
On Wednesday 12 April 2017 20:42:37 David Wright wrote:
> > If you like to contribute to my lack of understanding and possibly
> > unsubstantiated criticism, help me understand the hierarchy. Who, and
> > how are they are selected, make the decisions and how do they relate to
> > those that do the
On 04/12/2017 04:27 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote:
Here's a data point: having dealt with the vagaries and shortcomings of
SysV init professionally, I *like* systemd, even if it has a few warts.
Mart
I am going out on a limb here, but here goes, as I put on my "Amazing
Kreskin predicts" hat.
=
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 04:40:00PM +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> As for the other post you commented on with the same attitude I would
> have to say that getting technical in comparing sysv with competing
> technologies does not answer the political part of the decision making.
> It seems as this par
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 09:09:45AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Fedora is the development and test bed for RHEL much as Debian
> Testing is for Stable.
That's not a perfect analogy by any means: Fedora is used as a test bed for
technology that later ends up in RHEL, yes, but that's the end of it
solitone:
> On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55:12 CEST Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> I'd write a bug report. Your e-mail is a pretty good start.
>
> To Debian BTS? Related to the kernel package? I have no clues as to what
> component might be actually involved.
I'd use reportbug againt the kernel pack
On 04/12/2017 12:40 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
David Wright:
Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness?
If you don't like it, you're free to look elsewhere for a distribution
that better suits you.
Are you mr.Debian? Under what authority are you telling me to either
shut
GiaThnYgeia writes:
> Am I wrong?
You have at least nothing but opinion supporting the assertion that you
are right. So the jury is out on that one.
> I don't hear newbies single machine users having much of an issue with
> systemd, but people whose work for many years was based in fine-tuning
David Wright writes:
> On Mon 10 Apr 2017 at 21:21:00 (+), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> For a second month under freeze not much
>> development can take place in unstable, as it is really tomorrow's
>> testing.
>
> What do you mean? Sid (unstable) is always sid. It doesn't suddenly
> become buster (
solitone writes:
> On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55:12 CEST Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> I'd write a bug report. Your e-mail is a pretty good start.
>
> To Debian BTS? Related to the kernel package? I have no clues as to what
> component might be actually involved.
>
It's USB-related, so I'd say ei
On Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55:12 CEST Jochen Spieker wrote:
> I'd write a bug report. Your e-mail is a pretty good start.
To Debian BTS? Related to the kernel package? I have no clues as to what
component might be actually involved.
Thanks,
Davide
On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 16:40:00 (+), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> David Wright:
> >> Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness?
> >
> > If you don't like it, you're free to look elsewhere for a distribution
> > that better suits you.
>
> Are you mr.Debian? Under what authority
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
ran across http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=128777
not sure if will help or not, but does point to what i
was thinking (bios, uefi, partition issue or module not
being loaded by grub).
...
> Any suggested reading on the "BASH like shell" I just used?
> My
On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 13:33:02 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On theory "too much better than too little" I see:
>
> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
>
> ### END /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
>
> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
> menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux (8.6) (on /dev/mmcblk0p1)
Le 12/04/2017 à 20:33, Richard Owlett a écrit :
On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
- report the menu entry code for the SD card system in
/boot/grub/grub.cfg (the one from the system on the hard drive owning
GRUB, not the one on the SD card) ;
On theory "too much better than too l
No, no, it is never too late. If you trust me, I may login to your computer.
To do this, I need your IP snd root password, of course.
You can also use teamviewer, however, my bandwith is really low, so ssh would
be better.
You can send me direct to my e-mail address, if you would like to.
Bes
Hans,
Don't be sorry (yet). I need some time to figure out some steps.
Making a backup now. After that I will re-read your answers and try to try them
all.
If you or someone would want to do schedule a remote login let me know. As I am
doing a Linux course now I would really like to learn from th
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 12/04/2017 à 17:14, Richard Owlett a écrit :
>>
>> Whether initiated after power-on OR a restart the observed sequence is:
>> 1. Appearance of the Grub2 menu with a choice of 4 instances of Debian.
>> 2. Select instance installed on the SD card.
>> 3. Screen clears, this
Am Mittwoch, 12. April 2017, 20:32:30 CEST schrieb Aquarius:
Hmm, your package can definetely not installed. Is it possible to remove the
packages one-by-one?
If you are able, to remove the nvidia packages, you can download the Nvidia-
driver from the nvidia web site. It is a file named similar N
On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Le 12/04/2017 à 17:14, Richard Owlett a écrit :
Whether initiated after power-on OR a restart the observed sequence is:
1. Appearance of the Grub2 menu with a choice of 4 instances of Debian.
2. Select instance installed on the SD card.
3. Screen c
Meanwhile I tried dpkg --configure libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64
Output:
Setting up libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 (340.101-1) ...
Killed
dpkg: error processing package libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 137
Errors were encountered wh
Am Mittwoch, 12. April 2017, 20:18:22 CEST schrieb Aquarius:
Hmm, bad thing. Maybe you should remove kdm, gdm or whatever loginmanager you
are using out of the way, so it will not start after boot and force you into a
bad X.
Then you can try dpkg-configure -a again.
You can also try to delete n
Thanks Hans.
I must add when shutting down I get a black screen with lots of text. The
system will not shut down. I have to press the powerbutton and hold it to power
it off.
After starting up again I performed apt-get --purge remove nvidia-*
The output was:
root@debian:/home/piet# apt-get --p
On Mon 10 Apr 2017 at 06:41:15 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/09/2017 02:40 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:
> >>On 04/09/2017 10:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> Re-inserting _*CRITICAL_ critical information from 1st post
>
> I have a laptop with multiple installs
solitone:
>
> Hi, something really weird is going on today on my system--debian stretch on
> an Apple MacBookPro 12,1.
If googling doesn't turn up something helpful (and maybe even then) I'd
write a bug report. Your e-mail is a pretty good start.
Regards,
Jochen.
--
If politics is the blind lea
Hi Aquarius,
looks like you got into trouble with nvidia-driver.
You should uninstall these, then doing a dist-upgrade and then conetrate to
install the nvidia-driver again.
I prefer two possible ways to uninstall all nvidia-packages (but check before
telling "y"):
apt-get --purge remove nvidi
I read an article on cme which would give me an GUI for viewing and editing
systemd config files. So I thought I would install the packages involved on
Debian 8 Jessie Dell XPS15 laptop to study systemd config files. Not to edit
them. I use Debian for about 2 years now, so still in a learning pr
Le 12/04/2017 à 17:14, Richard Owlett a écrit :
Whether initiated after power-on OR a restart the observed sequence is:
1. Appearance of the Grub2 menu with a choice of 4 instances of Debian.
2. Select instance installed on the SD card.
3. Screen clears, this message appears against the Debian 8
David Wright:
>> Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness?
>
> If you don't like it, you're free to look elsewhere for a distribution
> that better suits you.
Are you mr.Debian? Under what authority are you telling me to either
shut up or leave? What makes you more Debi
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:36:33 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 11:07:13PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Perhaps instead of "..more suited," it should have been "intended"
> > for servers. After all, wasn't systemd adopted first for RHEL whose
> > market is mainly servers
On Tue 11 Apr 2017 at 14:24:00 (+), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> xxx:
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 6:21 AM, GiaThnYgeia
> >> Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness?
> >
> > Moving the goalposts always generates a bit of madness. Whether this
> > time is turning out more so th
On Mon 10 Apr 2017 at 21:21:00 (+), GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> Please excuse the intrusion, on another thread Felix Miata says:
> Re: Old 32bit PC 650kRam less VidMem 1024x768 will not run on Stretch ok
> on Jessie
>
> > Debian-user is a user support forum, not a developer forum:
> > For bug fixes a
On 04/12/2017 07:39 AM, songbird wrote:
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
THE SYMPTOM:
When I got home and booted to the SD card I noticed a message appeared
for ~10 seconds reporting that a device was not found giving the UUID of
the SD card.
I verified the UUID by checking the fstab file and by usi
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Hi, something really weird is going on today on my system--debian stretch on
an Apple MacBookPro 12,1.
Some time ago I noticed a strange issue with USB, which prevented the keyboard
and the trackpad to work after bootup (they are both USB devices on
MacBookPro's). Here's an extract of the kerne
Richard Owlett wrote:
...
> THE SYMPTOM:
>
> When I got home and booted to the SD card I noticed a message appeared
> for ~10 seconds reporting that a device was not found giving the UUID of
> the SD card.
>
> I verified the UUID by checking the fstab file and by using gparted.
>
> THE QUESTION:
Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or
confused operator as underlying cause.
BACKGROUND:
The hardware is a used Lenovo T510 laptop purchased a couple of months
ago. Jessie with MATE desktop has been running fine.
Yesterday I purchased a Kingston Technology 512G
On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 03:18:10AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> With the introduction of systemd in Jessie, the mechanism that ran a script
> to get a password to decrypt the root disk[1] got broken. I don’t think
> there was anything about systemd in particular that made it impossible, it
> just w
On Sun, Apr 09, 2017 at 11:07:13PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Perhaps instead of "..more suited," it should have been "intended" for
> servers. After all, wasn't systemd adopted first for RHEL whose
> market is mainly servers?
No, it wasn't. It was in Fedora before RHEL.
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Dear list,
I am a little bit confused about mail behaviour. There are two things, I do
not understand.
First of all, the following:
When I was long time online with another computer, reading my mails, and then
switch to another computer back, then I rsync the Mailfolder to the other
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