David Wright: >> Has Debian always been this crazy and am I so new to this madness? > > If you don't like it, you're free to look elsewhere for a distribution > that better suits you.
Are you mr.Debian? Under what authority are you telling me to either shut up or leave? What makes you more Debian than me? Why don't you leave if you don't like criticism? If there is reason for madness, in which I accept I am new to, I will have to discover it. Saying that simply madness is normal and whoever does not like it should leave doesn't justify madness. If you like to contribute to my lack of understanding and possibly unsubstantiated criticism, help me understand the hierarchy. Who, and how are they are selected, make the decisions and how do they relate to those that do the work, and how do they all relate to those who for 2 decades have been employing the system and feedback with problems and bugs. Because what is discussed on this thread to me sounds as those who by majority have used the system (mostly for commercial large scale server applications) and are probably the number one source of bugs that feed development did not have much of a say on the direction taken. The direction was dictated from above and developers went to work according to that direction. Am I wrong? I don't hear newbies single machine users having much of an issue with systemd, but people whose work for many years was based in fine-tuning other init systems seem to be having issues in adopting to this new status-quo whether they like it or not. > Cheers, > David. As for the other post you commented on with the same attitude I would have to say that getting technical in comparing sysv with competing technologies does not answer the political part of the decision making. It seems as this part is what irritated people not the technical aspects of it. Unless there are those that pretend the decision making process was solely on technical merits. That's where the definition of "free" comes in, which you seem to be having a hard time understanding. I'd say go back and read the policy and principles of Debian. The realities of industry and market is not part of what I understand as free, on the contrary I find them contradictory. cheers -- "The most violent element in society is ignorance" rEG "Who died and made you the superuser?" Brooklinux