Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-06 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > About 1 week to get all the fixes in dists/proposed-updates (we still miss > quite a few), plus a few days to recompile on non-i386... I believe mush in slink has a y2k bug -- 53935. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/>

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-06 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 01:37:29AM +, Philip Hands wrote: > > 1) we fix it without changing the _r4 > > > > 2) we fix it and go to _r5 for m68k only > > > > 3) we fix it and move to _r5 for everything > > > > 4) I fix it on the UK mirro

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-05 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Michael Schmitz wrote: > Format: 1.5 > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:07:21 +0100 > Source: boot-floppies > Binary: boot-floppies > Architecture: m68k > Version: 2.1.9.2 < not a potato version number (slink.r2 > perhaps) How would he know that's not a potato version number?

Re: stable boot-floppies maint (was Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs)

2000-01-05 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:36:16PM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote: > On the recent reject - I got a message on Jan. 1 stating that my upload > from Dec. 13 or Dec. 14 (which was for r4) was _installed_ but a look at > the contents of the archive revealed that it had been installed only > partially. S

Re: stable boot-floppies maint (was Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs)

2000-01-05 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > The users, on the other hand, often need CD images and mostly use stable. > > At this time, though, there just are not enough maintainers to properly > > support stable. And getting updates to the boot-floppies rejected because > > they are not security related neither helps the users nor impro

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-05 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > Case in point: the current boot-floppies hassle. Let's rehash this > once > again in more detail. > I wasted some time attempting to build > new boot-floppies from the source > (the new slink source got uploaded > to Incoming only days before the > release deadline IIRC). > > I apologize for

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-05 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 01:37:29AM +, Philip Hands wrote: > 1) we fix it without changing the _r4 > > 2) we fix it and go to _r5 for m68k only > > 3) we fix it and move to _r5 for everything > > 4) I fix it on the UK mirror, and the ``official'' CDs are produced from > somethin

stable boot-floppies maint (was Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs)

2000-01-05 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The users, on the other hand, often need CD images and mostly use stable. > At this time, though, there just are not enough maintainers to properly > support stable. And getting updates to the boot-floppies rejected because > they are not security rela

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-05 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Case in point: the current boot-floppies hassle. Let's rehash this once > again in more detail. > I wasted some time attempting to build new boot-floppies from the source > (the new slink source got uploaded to Incoming only days before the > release

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-05 Thread Philip Hands
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 1) we fix it without changing the _r4 > > This is not an option. Last time we did this, we upset lots of > people, and we made promises that stable would only change when we > bumped a revision. Fair eno

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-05 Thread James Troup
Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1) we fix it without changing the _r4 This is not an option. Last time we did this, we upset lots of people, and we made promises that stable would only change when we bumped a revision. N.B.: I haven't had time to follow the rest of the discussion,

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-04 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > One thing that did cost a lot of time was the delay in the 'byhand' > > install of the update files. Maybe the installer should alert the FTP > > admins of these files separately? Or whoever uploads files that need > > manual installation needs to CC: his changes file and perhaps a short > > ru

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-04 Thread Ben Collins
I tend to agree with what Philip is saying. > 2) we fix it and go to _r5 for m68k only (other stuff) > In conclusion, I think we should probably allow for point releases of > stable to be made independently on different architectures, and we > should make one now for m68k. Why not treat arch sp

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-04 Thread Philip Hands
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem at this point (with respect to bug#53683) is that any > change to slink requires an update to its changelog, and the release > of 2.1r5. I mentally filed it under "stuff to do for the next slink". > (And I fervently hope that I won't be t

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-04 Thread Philip Hands
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have to concede this kind of stuff happens, and just got #53967 > acknowledged (I refered to your bug report from Dec. 29 so Guy is aware > that this is really the same bug). I hope you didn't file another report > after that one? No, I didn't. > W

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:12:22PM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote: > > We should be able to come up with a way of identifying, reporting and > > fixing these problems in a timely manner, so lets do it so that we > > don't have to go through this every release. > > One thing that did cost a lot of ti

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > bloody murder. To be fair, Phil tried to follow my instructions but it > > didn't work out (maybe because of things like confusing .lha and .lzh and > > such). > > I think I could have done the whole thing in another 10 minutes as it > happens, I just misunderstood that I was meant to be doing

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > please accept the fact that the m68k people can't fix anything on the FTP > > servers, including broken symlinks (and please accept my explanation that > > changing the current symlink to 0606 isn't even near enough). The FTP team > > needs to apply the fixes I outlined in my previous mail, tha

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 07:14:19PM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote: > > That's part one, but where I see another large problem is the latency > between the time something gets known to need work, and the time the > rebuilt package actually gets installed on the FTP site. I never had any problems lik

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When complaints about the inconsistent directories in disks-m68k surfaced > (Dec. 20, I had never seen that my April updates were installed in June > otherwise I'd have complained before) I checked the contents of these > directories and described to P

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
"Christian T. Steigies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Should I have reported this as a bug against debian-m68k, or some such? > Because we dont react? I dont think the debian/m68k porters have to read > that list, if you would read it, you would find reasons why not to read it. No, that's not w

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > please accept the fact that the m68k people can't fix anything on the FTP > servers, including broken symlinks (and please accept my explanation that > changing the current symlink to 0606 isn't even near enough). The FTP team > needs to apply the fixe

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Michael Schmitz
OK, time to set some things straight after blowing off steam on the lists. I've trimmed CC: some ... > > I'm afraid that that is not at all apparent to someone that's not > > closely involved with the m68k port. Perhaps some sort of pointer > > should be put somewhere so that there's some chance

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 03:36:57PM +, Philip Hands wrote: > "Christian T. Steigies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm afraid that that is not at all apparent to someone that's not > closely involved with the m68k port. Perhaps some sort of pointer > should be put somewhere so that there's s

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
"Christian T. Steigies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think one reason why "we" did not react in time is, that all the problems > were reported to the users (aka debian-68k) list. Not all of "us" are > reading this list, or at least not very intensively, for various reasons. > If you want to rea

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 12:47:37PM +, Philip Hands wrote: > > To summarise, if you want CDs for your architecture, do whatever > it takes to get the archive into a valid state, tell me you've done > it, grab a copy of the CD once I've made it, and tell me it works. "We" did not cry for the CDs

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > My customers want m68k r4 CDs and they want them NOW. Please take whatever > > action is necessary to provide them ASAP. > > Sorry, but as you will no doubt be aware, Debian is a volunteer project, > and the m68k port in particular is a very small t

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Michael Schmitz
> Actually, I'm still tempted to put my foot down and say ``Until the > m68k archive is valid, they cannot expect to see official m68k CDs > released''. This might perhaps ensure that we don't get this > happening for the potato release. The thing is, why should some CDs > that were created by me

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
"J.A. Bezemer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My customers want m68k r4 CDs and they want them NOW. Please take whatever > action is necessary to provide them ASAP. > > See threads > http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-68k-9912/msg00056.html > and > http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Michael Schmitz
> My customers want m68k r4 CDs and they want them NOW. Please take whatever > action is necessary to provide them ASAP. Sorry, but as you will no doubt be aware, Debian is a volunteer project, and the m68k port in particular is a very small team (four or five maintainers, primarily occupied with

Re: M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-03 Thread Adam Di Carlo
"J.A. Bezemer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My customers want m68k r4 CDs and they want them NOW. Please take whatever > action is necessary to provide them ASAP. Last I heard the m68k guys decided that the April version of the boot-floppies for m68k were fine. What features do you think 2.1r4

M68K boot floppies / CDs

2000-01-01 Thread J.A. Bezemer
My customers want m68k r4 CDs and they want them NOW. Please take whatever action is necessary to provide them ASAP. See threads http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-68k-9912/msg00056.html and http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-68k-9912/msg00087.html Regards (and being a bit