Re: Re: Re: Frequency and reasons for team breakage (Re: infrastructure team rules)

2007-10-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 06:47:08AM -0400, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > >> I don't understand what you mean. Like many, I know that there are > >> several "problematic" teams in Debian due to manpower issues. What I > >> asked is how many teams are broken beyond repair...to the point that new > >>

Re: infrastructure team rules (second edit)

2007-10-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 12:50:00PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > I think I've spotted another problem with the "second edit" - does it > fail if all members of a team become idle simultaneously? Should > there be a default of accepting a new member if the team doesn't > decide? I guess we should make th

Re: infrastructure team rules (second edit)

2007-10-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 11:21:11AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:43:09PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > If the team is functional, why would we even consider someone/something > > else deciding it? Revoking the teams' right to decide their own >

Re: lack of manpower != inability to accept more (Re: infrastructure team rules)

2007-10-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 04:30:42PM -0400, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > >Judging by history, I don't think our current approach is exactly > >flourishing. We've mentioned sysadmins, list admins, web admins, all of > >those had breakages. We haven't mentioned bug admins, ftp admins, docs > >admins, key

infrastructure team procedures (third edit)

2007-10-23 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Take three, minor copyedit, plus the rule explicitly handling all-latent teams. - This originates from this debian-project mailing list discussions at http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/06/msg00020.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/10/msg00064.html Proposed gener

Re: infrastructure team rules (second edit)

2007-10-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 10:43:16AM -0200, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > If, for instance, we need to change people and we > are creating the rules just to allow us to remove them or > to interfere and ask for the change, then I think we need > a better approach. How exactly can

Re: infrastructure team procedures (third edit)

2007-10-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 06:16:12PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > * With regard to communication and documentation, infrastructure teams > > should try to work under the guidelines laid out in > > the Debian Developer's Reference. > > What about dropping this, and renaming the GR to "Project

infrastructure team procedures (fourth edit)

2007-10-26 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Take four, just added the rule explicitly handling the case where DPL and team disagree on which members are latent. I'm hoping this is the final one before we go to vote. - This originates from this debian-project mailing list discussions at http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fourth edit)

2007-10-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 02:11:48PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I'm sorry to come into this at this late stage but I have a couple of > questions. Well, it might be late for the pace I'm hoping for, but really, it's only been two weeks in discussion :) > The first is: have you, as the person drivi

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Josip Rodin
ed basic access, but at the same time he didn't introduce the mirroradm group to another host where we had no existing permission. In any event, if this means that he's got free hands[1] to do everything, that's a good thing. -- Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] *chuckle* -- To UN

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:39:05PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > Are there any other changes that have been agreed to by existing members to > > address those issues, or will we now just have a larger team with > > structural communication problems? > >This event has not cancelled anything e

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fourth edit)

2007-11-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:33:02PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > You didn't quote that clause fully. It says "if the team fails to make any > > additions or removals as described above". The "as described above" part is > > integral, it's not logical to disconnect it and make it optional, is it? >

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fourth edit)

2007-11-09 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 07:11:42PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > No, it doesn't _compel_ the DPL to do anything. Because the DPL can > always claim to have done such a verification. At best it encourages > the DPL to act in a reasonable way. > > I agree that it is good to encourage the DPL to act

Re: Making Debian work: a question of trust indeed

2007-11-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:03:32AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Marc Haber wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 01:39:39AM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > >I also learned tonight that a few of the things I was complaining > > > about were being worked on (though I was not aware of it), > > > > T

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:45:03AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > The point I want to make is that, unless the DM and the sponsor have > been informed of their mistake and showed bad will, it is prematurate > and demotivating to call their name for punishment on a pivotal mailing > list. Did you e

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 07:37:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:50:37AM +0100, Josip Rodin a écrit : > > When someone tells you "Debian policy sucks, my hack rules", > > It is exactly because neither in the bug report nor on this mailing list

Re: State of the project - input needed

2008-01-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:40:47AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > - what are the major changes in the project and our product(s) since > the etch release? > > - what else would you deem relevant to a "state of the project" > summary? Assuming you're going to be listing other incremental chan

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fourth edit)

2008-03-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:33:02PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > If you're going to make this a precondition before some power becomes > operational, you need to more be clear about when it's met. I think > you might be better off removing some of the motherhood and apple pie > from this document to

Re: infrastructure team procedures proposal

2008-03-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 07:28:37PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: Josip Rodin 2008-03-22 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've been composing a proposal regarding how Debian's infrastructure teams > > operate. It would be a good idea if the interested members of

Re: Darmstadt network downtime 2008-03-29 - affects lists and more

2008-03-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:53:23AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > the Metropolitan Area Network Darmstadt (MAN-DA) will be working on > their uplink fibers today, 2008-03-29 between 0630 and 1700Z. All > our machines in their network will be unreachable for this time. A whole day of downtime, an

Re: Darmstadt network downtime 2008-03-29 - affects lists and more

2008-03-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 04:48:57AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > On Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 01:01:30 +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:53:23AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > the Metropolitan Area Network Darmstadt (MAN-DA) will be working on > &g

infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, This is take five - Stephen Gran sent me several suggestions for rewording and stating things explicitly in private mail. I've spelled a few more things out, and reordered some of the text so that it's clearer what's going on. I've also moved some paragraphs from the acknowledgement section to

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 03:41:43PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > One small typo fix. diff is attached. Thanks. (And to Lucas.) > And a question on the following text: > > * Each infrastructure team has to accept at least two valid candidates > every two years. > * Each infrastructure t

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 05:40:43PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > There has also been > > ambiguity on the constitutional position of infrastructure teams as such, > > particularly those that predate it. > [...] > > > Debian developers resolve the following: > > [...] > > As I read it, the

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 02:52:54PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > We acknowledge the previously existing ambiguity, and then continue on > > a fully constitutionally defined procedure to decide things that resolve > > any such ambiguity. > > > > What's your dilemma again? :) > > That it's not ful

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 03:40:05PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > It seems to me that after sam's emails this morning, this proposal is > frankly unnecessary. Does your proposal bring anything that sam's > emails didn't? It's clear that at least one DPL feels that the DPL is > already empowered to

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:01:14PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Josip Rodin said: > > Ad hoc interventions are just that. We need to have a crack at solving the > > underlying problem, and that means trying to stop depending on a myriad of > &

Proposal - Project infrastructure team procedures

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, This originates from the debian-project mailing list discussions at http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/06/msg00020.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/10/msg00064.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/10/msg00142.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2008

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 01:46:16AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > The Debian Prject clarifies that all privileged roles held on debian.org > machines are to be considered delegations by the DPL according to the > constitution, § > > as long as we trust ourselves not to elect DPLs going nuts

Re: Addition to DSA team

2008-09-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 05:54:19PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > this is to let you know that we in DSA have invited Martin > Zobel-Helas to join us. Fortunately for us he accepted, > so with a bit of luck we can now go back to doing nothing and > let the rookie do all the work. I can't believ

Re: Yet another list statistics for debian-project

2009-01-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:59:23PM +, Andreas Tille wrote: > www > --- > While Josip Rodin was very active on this list he failed > in finding a new activist after he became quiet since 2003. > Frank Lichtenheld and Matt Kraai tried to fullfill this role > bu

Re: A rebuttal (was: Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Josip Rodin
[please CC: any replies to me] > Perhaps the GR proposed is not the most adiquate solution to do this, but > I think if there were a second alternative on the table which did not > alter the social contract and was less technically damaging to the project > that it actually would have a fair chan

qmail and its maintainer being mistreated?!

2000-04-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:45:53PM -0500, Jon Marler wrote: > Qmail is a non-free package. All the packages that I maintain are non-free. > Thus I am hated by my peers in Debian because I am a non-free maintainer. How in the heaven's name did you get that impression, that everyone hates in Debi

Re: Bug#69197: inadequate backup instructions

2000-11-24 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, There's a bug filed against the doc-debian package, including the Debian FAQ, about not having good backup instructions for users (admins). See http://bugs.debian.org/69197 for details. Can someone please suggest an answer to such a question so I can include it in the FAQ? `apt-cache search b

Re: Bug#69197: inadequate backup instructions

2000-11-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 10:28:12PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > There's a bug filed against the doc-debian package, including the Debian > > FAQ, about not having good backup instructions for users (admins). See > > http://bugs.debian.org/69197 for details. > > > > Can someone please sugg

Re: Security upgrade for potato by new major version and distro change?

2001-01-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:00:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Christian> Debian has many maintainers who cannot programm or like me > Christian> can programm perl and php (well enough to get paid for) it > Christian> but have not much experience with C. > Christian> Those people can do no

Re: A Description of Debian for a presentation

2001-06-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:35:50PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Debra > > Debra is short-hand for Deborah. So is Debbie :) -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification

Re: Project name

2001-08-09 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 03:06:56PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: > I was just wondering if commonly used project name, ie. ``Debian > GNU/Linux'' is starting to be somewhat misleading? We are the Debian Project, and we have a project called Debian GNU/Linux :) > The title "Debian/GNU" God no, not De

Re: Project name

2001-08-09 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 03:30:38PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: > > > I was just wondering if commonly used project name, ie. ``Debian > > > GNU/Linux'' is starting to be somewhat misleading? > > I don't see where the confusion is. References? > > >>From [our web pages] The web pages are GNU/Linux-

Re: RFD: Separate mailing list for users running testing?

2001-09-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:25:52PM -0700, tluxt wrote: > > FYI, debian-testing is NOT for developers. > > Hmm... > > If that is true then perhaps it would be a good idea to update some part > of the following to be more accurate, correct, or informative. > > http://lists.debian.org/devel.html >

Re: Social Contract

2001-09-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:51:19PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > How did the project get thought up? > > How was it orginized? > > How many develpers helped start the project? > > How did the project get publicity? > > Please peruse our pages at http://www.debian.org for that kind

Re: RfD: Removing mailing lists

2001-10-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 09:11:34PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > debian-bugs-reports[2] >1,300 > [2] Well, mails are sent to the list frequently, but they are >400kB > large, so they are not distributed by our list server. Also they > are growing in size instead of being splitted.

Re: Question ?

2001-10-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:54:03AM -0700, Alex Porte wrote: > so I was just wondering 2 things. > 1. You are giving it free? Yes. See http://www.debian.org/intro/about#free > 2. Could i volunteer to work on the website? Yes, but tell us about it at a different address, debian-www@lists.debian.or

debian.info

2001-10-21 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, It crossed my mind to check for debian.info just now. It's been registered wrongly. We should probably dispute[1] it one of these days. % whois debian.info Domain ID:D66241-LRMS Domain Name:DEBIAN.INFO Created On:16-Aug-2001 16:19:53 UTC Expiration Date:16-Aug-2006 16:19:53 UTC Trademark Name

Re: Debian review @ PC Magazine

2001-10-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:00:55PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > Daniel> Two out of five points: > Daniel> > http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s%253D25068%2526a%253D16538,00.asp > > Daniel> For comparison, Caldera, Mandrake, and Turbo got 3, Suse > Daniel> got 4, and RedHat go

FYI: Debian mailing lists' code of conduct

2001-10-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 02:01:07AM -0800, Debian WWW CVS wrote: > CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml > Module name: webwml > Changes by: joy 01/10/30 02:01:07 > > Modified files: > english/MailingLists: index.wml > > Log message: > copied the code of conduct from the Debian FAQ to this

Re: FYI: Debian mailing lists' code of conduct

2001-10-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:32:50PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > >When using the Debian mailing lists, please follow these rules: > > > > * Never send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead. Avoid large > >attachments. > > Why only avoid large attachments? Avoid them at

Re: FYI: Debian mailing lists' code of conduct

2001-10-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:48:52AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > What's wrong with, say, attaching a patch, or a script log? Especially on > > the list like debian-user and debian-testing, where these things are often > > necessary to be able to diagnose a problem. > > You can include the

[groucho@lanet.com.ar: fake Debian mirror at http://www.debian.org.ar/]

2001-11-05 Thread Josip Rodin
Someone should check this out... - Forwarded message from Groucho Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivery-date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:12:51 +0100 From: "Groucho Marx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: fake Debian mirror at http://www.debian.org.ar/ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:4

Re: linux kernel

2001-11-10 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:43:57PM +0100, Alexander List wrote: > If we don't stop answering user's requests/complaints in such an > unfriendly manner, we will always have the image that Debian is a clumsy > hackers-only distribution and not for the average user. > > Even if his claim that kernel

Re: linux kernel

2001-11-12 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:10:54AM +0100, Robert Ribnitz wrote: > Second, there are two ways to get a 2.4.x (x<12 have a local root exploit, > x=14 has some problems with the ntfs driver among other things, so I > recommend 2.4.12 or 2.4.13) to run on your system: Anything between 2.4.10 and 2.4.1

Re: Collaboration proposal

2001-11-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:05:36PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Well, I'll be... Commercial spam that was actually on topic. Go figure.. Uh. They basically offered us an advertisement on www.linux.ro[1], and they didn't seem to want to charge for it. That's not spam. [1] http://ww

Re: Collaboration Proposal..

2001-11-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:24:11PM +0100, RIBNITZ Robert wrote: > So, who is going to write that 'spoiler'? - is there anyone on this list > with notions of romanian or hungarian (largest minority in romania)? How about the good people who translate our web pages into Romanian? :) Aurelian,

Re: (no subject)

2001-12-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 02:42:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > do you guys own mount rushmore casino? We don't. :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Debian for SuperH bootstrapping

2001-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 08:09:17AM +0900, YAEGASHI Takeshi wrote: > > Also, there is no /ports/superh/ on www.debian.org. That's also something > > I'd ask for, proper documentation of the port... I'm willing to add things > > if people send me plain text which can be put there. I don't know eno

Re: Debian for SuperH bootstrapping

2001-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 12:31:49AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > Also, there is no /ports/superh/ on www.debian.org. That's also > > > > something > > > > I'd ask for, proper documentation of the port... I'm willing to add > > > > things > > > > if people send me plain text which can be

Re: Debian Online Shop

2002-02-04 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 08:02:28PM +, Rob Bradford wrote: > Just thought i should point out (whilst the subject of merchandise is > going about) that i came across www.debianshop.com. No guesses for what > its about :) > > Have you heard anything from these people? Yes. They're listed at http

Re: Documentation

2002-02-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 11:13:46AM +, root wrote: > Word of advice.if you are going to have a home web site for Debian, > make sure your hyperlinks work. Over half of them are pointed at > www.linux.org and they don't work! Which are those, exactly? We've got a bad link scanner but I can

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:54:04PM +, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > If debian moderates its lists, I _will_ leave the project. HEH: Hit! (10 points) BODY: Claims they will quit Debian if something is done -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Use of the Debian name for a website.

2002-03-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 09:32:53PM -0500, Chad McCullough wrote: > I've been using Debian and Libranet for about 2 years and would like to > create a basic website dedicated to this great distribution. I was > thinking of calling it www.debian-help.org, for example. Note that debianhelp.org alrea

Re: Working on debian developer's reference and "best packaging practices"

2002-05-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:24:14PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > I was hoping to get libpkg-guide (library packaging guide) into Developers > Reference, although the terms and language is quite different. > > It includes the information for shared library packaging, > which is not really availabl

Re: Fwd: Is it possible to unsubscribe from the debian-users list?

2002-05-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 08:18:25PM +, Siward de Groot wrote: > Hi, i saw this on debian-user; forwarding to people that can do > something about it. > > > The listmaster > > -- > > To reach a human being answering your mail you may contact the address > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] We will

Re: is ja schade...

2002-05-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:26:48AM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > schade das ihr es mit der installation unt runterladen der dateien vom ftp > > server so schei?e erkl?rt habt ... das ich nur sagen kann FACHIDIOTEN > > My German is a bit rusty, but am I right that this guy is cursing at >

Re: Install

2002-06-12 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 10:05:12PM -0700, Donovan Colbert wrote: > www.debian.org proved to be a frustrating series of fruitless efforts to try > and figure out how to best get the media to install. I tried a CD based > install, but being a w32 oriented guy, ran into a variety of issues with > crea

Re: Install

2002-06-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:17:25PM -0700, Donovan Colbert wrote: > Yeah, I was unable to find the first link you provided below. This is something we'll have to work on. We can deduce a lot from statistics of which pages get visits and which don't, but we definitely prefer detailed first hand inp

Re: apache on an alpha

2002-06-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:29:42AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry to ask, but I have beat my head against a wall trying to get > httpd/apache installed on my alpha server. I can find no easy way > and the dependencies are putting my hardware in danger. Can you > offer any help? You c

irc.debian.org

2002-08-16 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Debian doesn't run its own IRC service. Instead, irc.debian.org points to an external network, called Open Projects Network (OPN). Well, now it's called "freenode", but that's besides the point. Debian users are encouraged to join the #debian channel on irc.debian.org when they want to communi

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:55:27PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > We have successfully worked with OPN for years. Several Debian developers > were also OPN admins, and several still are. I should also add to this that I offered to host a server for both OPN and OFTC, and am in fact hosting o

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 06:01:21PM -0500, Rob Levin wrote: > to raise funds you have to ask for them, and to ask for them you have to > be heard. Well, let me provide a counterexample. Debian has some funds from the time of the dot-com boom. But basically don't use the money - what we do is entir

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 07:53:07PM -0500, Rob Levin wrote: > But, really, the question really comes down to whether you think freenode is > doing a good job. If you do, presumably you'll accept our judgement on > whether we need modest paid coordination. That doesn't seem very logical to me. > I

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 07:02:08AM -0500, Rob Levin wrote: > If you think our judgement is flawed, there are certainly other IRC > networks out there you can use. We'd hate to lose the Debian project. > But that's the decision of the Debian project, not our decision, to make. Certainly, and this

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 04:03:42PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > What some of the most vocal partecipants of this thread do not say is > that they have been former OPN staff members or servers sponsors. > I see a lot of politics playing here, and this is annoying. > > > (Full disclosure: I am a OP

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 07:07:00PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > That sounds like OPN is turning into a business, not a free community > > network. > > OPN (the network) != PDPC (the non-profit corporation) [and Josip is > fully aware of this, having been told numerous times when he's tried >

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 08:31:08PM +0100, David Graham wrote: > OFTC, on the other hand, is a new project. We're a startup. We feel > there's an untapped market in the Open Source and Free Software community > and we're here to open it up. I'm betting that the above suit speak certainly raised som

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 10:20:37AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > Secondly, not everyone in #debian* IRCs on "irc.debian.org", whatever > that may point to. A lot of people explicitly connect to an OPN server, > because they have a closer server than rotation, they want to use IPv6, > or whatever. Th

Re: apt question

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 02:49:03AM -0500, James Mills wrote: > I've installed potato from old cd archives I have, now that's all fine > and dandy... > problem is when I change the apt source lists from the cds to any of the > current sources (http, ftp), and try to install any of the new apps >

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 07:36:51PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > Aside from the fact that OFTC are not currently sending fundraising > > > messages to their users, I can see no appreciable differences in their > > > constitution. > > > > OPN doesn't have a constitution, though. > > OPN has

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 03:12:52PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > - Switching networks without some significant advantage stinks of > politics too much for me. > - It increases the chances we'll have to do it again, and we lose the > stability that has made the network useful. The s

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:06:27PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > > - Switching networks without some significant advantage stinks of > > > politics too much for me. > > > - It increases the chances we'll have to do it again, and we lose the > > > stability that has made the networ

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 02:43:20PM -0700, Ravi Rao wrote: > JR> The significant advantage is that we stop endorsing a network that > collects > > I never found the Debian project "endorsing explicitly" OPN, or any other > network, in all my interaction with it, over various media, including, but

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 06:23:53PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > > > The significant advantage is that we stop endorsing a network that > > > > collects > > > > spurious donations from our users, the people who we are supposed to > > > > help, > > > > not help waste their money. > > > > >

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 06:59:06PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > > > > > The significant advantage is that we stop endorsing a network that > > > > > > collects > > > > > > spurious donations from our users, the people who we are supposed > > > > > > to help, > > > > > > not help waste thei

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 04:45:03PM -0700, Ravi Rao wrote: > Oh my god! The debian project is endorsing TUCOWS! And these spammers (?) at > TUCOWS pop up banner windows via ad.doubleclick.net. They're making me view > ads, and so why has not anyone brought up the "endorsement" that the Debian > proj

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 08:01:50PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > A single server would be less of a target than an entire irc network. > > > > No, a single server would be a much easier target than an entire IRC > > network; I think that's a more relevant data point. Plus this could > > risk ot

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 07:18:07AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > > That said, OPN does not host *any* "official" Debian stuff. #debian is > > > > > run by the network itself; several other channels are run and > > > > > frequented by developers, but so what? The Debian project itself does >

Re: irc.debian.org

2002-08-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 10:15:16PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 12:59:48PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > We consider #debian an official Debian IRC channel. I think you are wrong > > when you say ``OPN does not host *any* "official" Debi

Re: OPN, OFTC, WTF (Was: Debian Weekly News - August 20th, 2002)

2002-08-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 12:03:38AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > After reading the short-lived DebianPlanet coverage of this issue, and the > Slashdot coverage of the DebianPlanet coverage, I sent a message to Josip > about this issue. He asked me to repeat my comments here since I feel > strongly

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 08:00:10PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: > Package: project > Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-27 > Severity: serious > Justification: violates Social Contract 1, 4, and 5 (maybe others) > > The subject says it all. qmail is installed on murphy.debian.org. The first thing t

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:31:27AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: > > > The subject says it all. qmail is installed on murphy.debian.org. > > > > The first thing that pops into my mind as to how to answer this bug report > > is... "no shit." :) > > > > We know. We have known for years. Filing a s

Bug#158533: project: qmail is installed on murphy

2002-08-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:38:41PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > > I'll leave more details for our listmasters to share, if they want to. > > > I have confidence in their judgement, and the problem IS being looked > > > at as the responsible individuals can find time. > > > > I'd like to as

Re: admins: please clarify /etc/motd on auric

2002-08-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:18:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Please do not run personal cronjobs on auric between 14:30 and 17:30 > > I assume this means local time for auric, but it might be nice to add > the timezone identifier. I'm pretty sure it's local. That's probably aimed at

Re: OS

2002-09-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 11:06:44AM +0200, Goran Mihaljević wrote: > Gdje se u Hrvatskoj može nabaviti Debian distribucija? Vidi http://new.linux.hr/linux-ljudi.php (This is an English-speaking mailing list, actually.) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

new^Wold mailing list archives online

2002-09-22 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Thanks to Manoj Srivastava, we now have the missing archives of debian-devel, debian-68k, debian-alpha, debian-changes and some other mailing lists for most of 1996 and parts of 1995 online at http://lists.debian.org/ There are real jewels in there... for example, http://lists.debian

Re: unoffical debian logos, banners and covers

2002-09-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:21:19PM +0300, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > i have been working on some debian artwork since 2-3 months. > there is collected some good work and i thought that it > would be good to take your opinions > > there are currently 9 logos, 13 banners, 3 vertical banners, > 5 cd cove

debian-lint-maint, new mailing list for Debian lint tools

2002-10-07 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Just trolling for traffic... :) We have a new mailing list now to discuss the maintenance of Debian lint-like tools -- namely lintian and linda, but anything else that's related is on topic as well. It's called debian-lint-maint, and you can subscribe to it the normal way, via [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: link mancante o errato

2002-10-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 08:30:02AM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > this guy says that in page http://www.debian.org/releases the link to > potato point to slink. > > Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (`potato') It's fixed now, thanks. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: debian cd-image mirrors and US export restrictions

2002-11-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:32:15PM +0100, Harald K. wrote: > The hundred of mirrors containing the debian packages are clearly > separated into those, which are located in the US, and those, which are > not, because of the non-us tree, they are containing packages from. In > contrast to the packag

Re: Disputes between developers - content, draft #4

2002-11-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:42:46AM -0600, Colin Watson wrote: > Ian has been keen on getting feedback from the bug tracking system > administrators, and has asked a couple of times now. So far I haven't > tried to respond with that hat on because: > > * there doesn't seem to be anywhere near to

Re: debian advocacy suggestions, anyone?

2002-11-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 05:08:35PM +0700, Robert Lemmen wrote: > > The list is no more, so debian-project@lists.debian.org is the proper > > place. > > in that case it would be good to mark the list as such on the website. Fixes are committed, thanks. -- 2. That which causes joy or happine

Re: Debian joins Desktop Linux Consortium

2003-02-09 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:32:59PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> I got a direct email from the organizers of the consortium while I was > >> traveling, asking if Debian would like to participate. I found Colin > >> Walters on IRC and asked for his opinion. Neither of us could see any >

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