phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 14:17:11 CEST:
> My post is trying to bring your attention to a major issue, nothing
> more, if you're too tired take a vacation, but respect my request and
> make sure to fix issues of Chromium on Debian Stable updates that
> aren't sufficient as it is.
There is nothing w
phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:
> > Replying off-list.
I replied off list for a reason.
*sigh*
--
Martin
Dr. Bas Wijnen - 24.03.22, 10:50:47 CET:
> There is work to be done. Uneasy work. But important to do,
> nonetheless.
>
> There was work to be done. It has been done. The result is that
> Norbert was sanctioned. Please accept that and stop pretending that
> the debate is still ongoing.
Just one t
No CC needed. Thanks.
Pierre-Elliott Bécue - 24.03.22, 00:34:25 CET:
> > I am astonished to see, again, how people here seem to project all
> > badness in the world onto a single former, cause expelled, Debian
> > developer. Especially one with whom I had zero problems with and one
> > who contrib
Ulrike Uhlig - 23.03.22, 17:02:14 CET:
> On a sidenote, I would like to urge the people who did so in this
> thread to stop using the word "toxic" to describe that someone is
> being called out for bullying, abusive behavior, discriminatory, or
> (passive-)agressive remarks. This is victim reversal
Adam Borowski - 23.03.22, 16:46:48 CET:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:37:27PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > You're not the first one with the same reaction, so here's why.
> >
> > Norbert publicly lies, writting he's not packaging in Debian "thanks
> > to the da-manager", why should we care? Qui
Martin Steigerwald - 23.03.22, 08:54:12 CET:
> Jonathan Carter - 23.03.22, 07:38:02 CET:
> > On 2022/03/22 22:01, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > In his latest post, Norbert wrote:
> […]
>
> > I agree that his posts aren't appropriate for planet (I didn't pay
Jonathan Carter - 23.03.22, 07:38:02 CET:
> On 2022/03/22 22:01, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > In his latest post, Norbert wrote:
[…]
> I agree that his posts aren't appropriate for planet (I didn't pay
> close attention but noticed at least one post recently where he
> blames politics for not being pa
Cc'd to you as you cc'd me. I do not really need a Cc though.
Sam Hartman - 11.04.21, 12:44:17 CEST:
> >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Martin> I remember that at the recent KDE Academy meetups, I think
> Martin> the last two, there
Dear Tomas, dear Debian community,
to...@tuxteam.de - 11.04.21, 11:46:02 CEST:
> So in the end, I think the only real way is to raise awareness, with
> the goal tha /we all/ try to help keeing a friendly tone.
>
> It's a fine line to walk, between intervening (good) and vigilante
> (perhaps too m
Dear Justin.
Justin - 26.03.20, 01:15:10 CET:
> Hello guys, I am inquiring if you make a package which would like
> onenote for microsoft. Do you have a interactive package that would
> be used just like onenote or similar? Also do you make a package like
> a virtual machine or similar where you c
Sam Hartman - 01.01.20, 15:59:31 CET:
> >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Martin> Dear Sam.
>
> Martin> Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> >> folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really
>
Aron Xu - 01.01.20, 12:22:49 CET:
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:09 PM Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> > Dear Sam.
> >
> > Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> > > folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really help
> > > if
> > > you
Dear Sam.
Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really help if
> you could let the discussion die down. If there are issues that you
> need to address, please reach out to da-manager, the listmaster, DPL,
> the community team, or anyone els
Hi Aron, hi everyone,
Aron Xu - 31.12.19, 15:57:22 CET:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 5:00 AM Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > the init systemd GR is over and we have reached the results in a
> > democratic way by following Debian Constitution. However following
> > the process is orthogonal to our opinions, p
Dear Marc.
I can certainly relate to your frustration. Also with Plasma certain
things are broken, like some applications that use Qt WebEngine, IMHO
partly due to only a few people dedicating their time to do all the
packaging for Qt/KDE, which is a lot, a huge lot of work.
Marc Munro - 23.07
Alexander Wirt - 06.07.19, 20:00:
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2019, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > On 15451 March 1977, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > > > The tone is absolutely civilized.
> > > > And yet, the cost to people who have to do this education again
> > > > and
> > > > again is really high.
> > >
> > > Thats
Jonathan Carter - 02.07.19, 10:54:
> On 2019/07/02 10:35, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance?
> >
&
Colin Watson - 02.07.19, 12:25:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:07:39AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Actually I felt something like similar like this myself before (not
> > related to the pridemonth thing). There still a lot of oppression of
> > women and a lack of prog
Marc Haber - 02.07.19, 11:06:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance?
&
Martin Steigerwald - 02.07.19, 10:35:
> Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> > Adrian Bunk writes:
> > > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > > being welcomed.
> > >
> > > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual
Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > being welcomed.
> >
> > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual men?
>
> Do you think people with those attributes have been made
> systematically unwelcome in
Robin Wheeler - 26.03.19, 07:58:
> The humble & humiliating apology made by Comrade Preining last week
> smells like the confessions that political prisoners
> make after undergoing thought reform and coercive persuasion
> programs. The State 100% right and Comrade Prisoner 100% wrong.
> Of course
Hi Remy.
remy wehrung - 15.03.19, 12:32:
> Hello, I use Débian 9.x professionally, but it is necessary to use
> libraries, EDI and CUDA more recent, I develloppe an ecologic system
> and I must be at once up to date and to have a reliable informatic.
> Débian 10 m 'is mandatory especially with the
Hallo Klauspeter Hauf,
Hector Oron - 14.03.19, 14:59:
> Hello Mr. Klauspeter Hauf,
>
> Missatge de l'adreça del dia dj., 14 de març
>
> 2019 a les 14:44:
> > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> >
> > leider muss ich Ihnen mitteilen, dass die auf der Seite des ffis
> > e.V. veröffentlichte Freiste
Dear Gavin.
Gavin Howard - 04.02.19, 17:28:
> I am not a contributor, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
>
> I was planning on becoming a contributor to Debian recently and joined
> the mailing list in preparation for doing so. And then I saw
> everything that was happening.
>
> It made me
Dear Daniel.
Daniel Pocock - 04.02.19, 07:29:
> On 03/02/2019 11:02, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Daniel Pocock - 03.02.19, 08:38:
> >> This reveals a lot about the serious problems in Debian right now.
> >> Did we really sign up to be part of an experimen
Daniel Pocock - 03.02.19, 08:38:
> This reveals a lot about the serious problems in Debian right now.
> Did we really sign up to be part of an experiment like that? I
> didn't.
>
> Why do certain people want to start out with enforcement, skipping
> over normal human relations, avoiding meetings
Thomas Lange - 09.01.19, 18:17:
> > This reminded me about
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00025.html
>
> For easier understanding, this is the post from Daniel with subject:
>
> "€ 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches"
Thanks for looking it up.
I do
Miles Fidelman - 08.01.19, 18:16:
> > I would have been very surprised if you had told me 6 months ago
> > that
> > I would be writing this, but:
> >
> > Please consider Devuan as an alternative. You have probably seen
> > awful mails from one or two very toxic trolls pushing Devuan, but
> > the
Ian Jackson - 07.01.19, 19:00:
> > For me, any code of conduct and its enforcement needs to be based on
> > actual behavior, never on assuming intentions or assuming about how
> > people are.
>
> Once again, there is a difference between *assuming* and *inferring*.
>
> I doubt this will really co
Hello,
Ian Jackson - 07.01.19, 16:57:
> Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> > On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > [systemd stuff]
> >
> > [systemd stuff]
>
> I appreciate that the fights over systemd have been a defining
> experience for many of us. Many of us are s
Dear Ian.
Ian Jackson - 05.01.19, 18:17:
> Very competently toxic people will calculate precisely what they can
> get away with: they will ride roughshod over weak victims or in
> situations with less visibility; when challenged by an authority who
> can impose consequences, they will lie and obfu
Hello Roberto.
Roberto C. Sánchez - 29.12.18, 18:12:
> Suppose for a moment that a project member [… hypothetical case …]
[…]
> The reason I use the above example is because it is a difficult case
> to handle. The cases where harm is clearly intended are
> comparitavely very easy to deal with. T
Dear Daniel.
Daniel Pocock - 27.12.18, 05:41:
> On 21/12/18 09:25, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > I agree with Russ that your framing of this is absolutely abhorrent.
> > Your continued justification of it is digging a bigger hole. I beg
> > you, please take a step back and reconsider your approach h
Dear Russ, dear Daniel.
Russ Allbery - 21.12.18, 00:46:
> > Having been rear ended by a utility van, thrown off a motorbike half
> > way across a roundabout and having also received abusive and
> > threatening messages from people within the Debian community, I
> > feel that the physical pain caus
Marc Haber - 26.04.18, 15:12:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:12:40PM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
> > laptop-mod-mode tools seems to put the laptop into pretty optimal
> > settings without me having to touch anything, or so powertop says.
>
> Can Laptop-mode-tools in Thinkpads also limit charging of
Hi Marc.
Marc Haber - 26.04.18, 11:00:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 09:35:45AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
> > > I was just Wondering if you have any considerations for issuing an
> > > update or designing lets say Debian 10 with Power Management for
> > > laptops in mind.
> >
> > Such modifications ar
Colin Watson - 19.04.18, 01:42:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:28:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Did I get this right that you think that a person can be a problem
> > that possibly would have to be removed from the project?
> >
> > If so I heavily disagree wit
Ian Jackson - 18.04.18, 19:23:
> The answer is, carrot: advertising that the alternative route has a
> possibility of delivering something like what an angry person actually
> thinks they want - punishment for the wrongdoer.
>
> And, of course, stick: if you post to d-devel anyway then your own
>
Ian Jackson - 18.04.18, 18:17:
> Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Conflict escalation and discipline"):
> > "Debian emotional support group", maybe.
>
> I find this suggestion very surprising, possibly even insulting. At
> the very least I need to be much clearer.
>
> > But maybe wait with the naming
Lars Wirzenius - 18.04.18, 15:08:
> On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 13:41 +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> > I believe that a-h is the natural starting point for dealing with
> > these issues.
>
> Most of the problems being discussed right now, and in general, seem
> to be of the sort where feelings are hurt,
Martin Steigerwald - 28.12.17, 13:41:
> Hello.
>
> This is long, it may invite disagreement, but I tried my best to avoid
> triggering any hurt feelings. In case you just want to be bothered with the
do not want of course.
I proof read the mail several times, but this still slippe
relive the past.
Given current human experience it is also not possible to change it. But maybe
there is a way toward healing wounds.
Ian Jackson - 28.12.17, 11:20:
> Martin Steigerwald writes ("Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by
Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committ
Hello Norbert.
Norbert Preining - 26.12.17, 15:28:
> On Mon, 06 Nov 2017, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > *This* is where I see the true source of the *ongoing* division in the
> > community. It's not over the technical decision. It's not even over the
> > decision-making process. It's that some people
Dear Russ, dear Sam, dear people involved with Debian,
Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
> > I always found that just focusing on the technical aspects of the Init
> > system discussion left out… everything else. Even the issue in itself
> > was
Hello Sam.
Sam Hartman - 27.10.17, 20:18:
> As a member of the technical committee, I've grown increasingly alarmed
> as I think about the impact of the issues that come to us.
> Yes, we're giving answers. However, I think we are doing a lot of harm
> to the members of our community in the proces
Hello Martin.
martin f krafft - 02.05.17, 07:39:
> and the product we ordered was
>
> Stanley&Stella,STTM528/STTW006,"Leads2,"Loves",Biobaumwolle
> + Fairtrade,Kids STTB938,"paints"
>
> at 4.79 €/piece. Printing was 2 € each, as well 30 € or so one-time
> incidentals, net price.
Okay, scrat
Gunnar Wolf - 01.05.17, 23:44:
> Martin Steigerwald dijo [Mon, May 01, 2017 at 10:13:58PM +0200]:
> > > Make it fair-trade and printed by people with disabilities, like
> > > we did for DC15, and it was somewhere around $8. I'd still buy
> > > a shirt for $15 o
martin f krafft - 01.05.17, 21:37:
> also sprach Adam Borowski [2017-05-01 21:33 +0200]:
> > Note the data mentioned in this thread:
> > * decent printed shirts cost $0.60 in a large batch (including the
> > manufacturer's profit)
> >
> > * "very good quality" printed shirts made in a small bat
Hello Daniel.
Am Samstag, 24. Dezember 2016, 09:32:16 CET schrieb Daniel Landre:
> I recently installed Debian Jesse on an old desktop, but I am not allowed
> to access the Debian Wiki from www.debian.org.
>
> Exactly why is that? As a new user of thee Debian Linux Desktop I try to
> find informa
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:53:34 CEST Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 21 mai 2016 10:24 +0200, Martin Steigerwald :
> > Still, the turn around time between upstream and debian release would be
> > quite high for Debian stable users, but maybe part of such a
> > collaboration cou
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 11:13:41 CEST Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:07:43AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > I wonder about a landing page for upstreams interested in working with the
> > Debian project to provide packages within the official Debian repos
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:24:22 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I wonder about some kind of adopt an upstream within a Debian team kind of
> approach. A landing page and mailing list where upstream can write in for
> getting help and advice and voicing their needs. And when there a
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:24:06 CEST Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Et cetera. Debian has one set of quality factors it particularly cares
> about, and some upstreams think differently.
Yes, I seen all those reasons you mentioned.
I just wonder how about if upstreams can learn easily how to work toget
Hello Paul,
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 14:07:53 CEST Paul Wise wrote:
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > Totally agree. Our standards are far too high for many upstreams.
>
> I don't understand the disconnect here. Are upstreams not interested
> in software quality to the
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2015, 20:15:04 schrieb Paul van der Vlis:
> Op 19-04-15 om 19:44 schreef Martin Steigerwald:
> >> Also, it would be nice to avoid starting threads in various places. I
> >> already answered in:
> >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?
Am Sonntag, 19. April 2015, 18:26:30 schrieb Cyril Brulebois:
> Paul van der Vlis (2015-04-19):
> > Op 19-04-15 om 18:01 schreef Michael Gilbert:
> > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I saw backports has been removed as default setting from
>
Hi Thomas!
Am Samstag, 30. November 2013, 18:32:19 schrieb Thomas Koch:
> I'm just sitting with a friend of mine, a 70+ years old woman showing her a
> linux Desktop. I've already manually hacked /usr/bin/startx to add "-dpi
> 120"...
An alternative may be setting DisplaySize :
merkaba:~> cat /e
Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 08:54:30 schrieb Enrico Zini:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:27:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Simply obfuscating the name on the list of banned users (or not posting
> > any names at all, only links to the posts that led to the ban) would
>
> I'm in favour of not pos
Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 07:58:03 schrieb Lars Wirzenius:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:00:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > > What do the rest of you think?
> >
> > Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I
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