On Thu, Sep 04 2014, Christian Kastner wrote:
> On 2014-09-04 01:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>>
People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
>>>
also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-09-03 16:57 -0700]:
> The way this particular Code of Conduct Violation Complaint was
> handled was entirely my fault.
I don't think there is any point in thinking about fault here. Go
ahead and disagree with me, but the more important thing for me is
that we lear
On September 3, 2014 7:34:10 PM EDT, Manoj Srivastava
wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>>> People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy
>with
>>> them feel offended, I find it somew
On 2014-09-04 01:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>>> People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
>>> them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing
On 9/4/14, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness writes:
>
>> More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
>
>> Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link
>> to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events?
>
>> Are we that timid, that dominated by the al
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
> Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link
> to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events?
> Are we that timid, that dominated by the almighty COC, that facts are no
> longer po
Luk Claes writes:
> On 09/03/2014 07:21 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan
>> on enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You
>> seem to be convinced that this is about some specific incident and,
>> further, abo
On 9/4/14, Patty Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
>> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
>> and Debian teams should develop a process document whic
On 9/4/14, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Piotr Ożarowski writes:
>> [Ian Jackson, 2014-09-03]
>>> Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling
>>> process"):
>
Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
"things" that I don't agree with. I like our curr
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
> and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
> responsible would use to guid
On 9/4/14, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 9/4/14, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
>>> What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan on
>>> enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You seem
>
On 9/4/14, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
>> What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan on
>> enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You seem
>> to be convinced that this is about som
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>> People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
>> them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing that we care so
>> little about people being offens
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
> The stated purpose of the CoC is to ensure that our conference is a safe
> space for all members of the Debian community. In what way would a change
> in approach to dealing with a violation after the fact, where the offender
> is no longer at the con
On 9/4/14, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
>> Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
>> "things" that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
>> want to change it.
>
> Neil Gaiman writes:
>
>
On 9/4/14, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On September 3, 2014 10:23:14 AM EDT, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>>Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling
>>process"):
>>> yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹, we
>>> didn't have people swearing and nobody dared t
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
> and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
> responsible would use to guid
On 09/03/2014 07:21 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Scott Kitterman writes:
>> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>>> How do you suppose we keep the atmosphere from devolving back to
>>> the poisonous flame-fest days, and enforce various codes of conduct
>>> policies? I have seen far too many tech confe
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:44AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> People associated with the FSF or those who feel i sympathy with
> them feel offended, I find it somewhat disappointing that we care so
> little about people being offensive, given the progress we have made.
This thread
Piotr Ożarowski writes:
> [Ian Jackson, 2014-09-03]
>> Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
>>> Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
>>> "things" that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
>>> want to change it.
[Ian Jackson, 2014-09-03]
> Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
> > Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
> > "things" that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
> > want to change it.
>
> Neil Gaiman writes:
[...
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
> What case? Ian raised a bunch of general questions about how we plan on
> enforcing our CoC, with no reference to any specific incident. You seem
> to be convinced that this is about some specific incident and, further,
>
Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
> Some people want(ed) to codify in CoC other political correctness
> "things" that I don't agree with. I like our current CoC and I don't
> want to change it.
Neil Gaiman writes:
I was reading a book (about interjectio
Scott Kitterman writes:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> How do you suppose we keep the atmosphere from devolving back to
>> the poisonous flame-fest days, and enforce various codes of conduct
>> policies? I have seen far too many tech conferences without codes of
>> conduct devolve into miso
On September 3, 2014 12:52:44 PM EDT, Manoj Srivastava
wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
>
>> As far as I can tell, he spoke the truth as he knows it. I have no
>> idea if he's right or wrong, but he was stating his perspective and
>we
>> ought to be open to that.
>
>> While
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> As far as I can tell, he spoke the truth as he knows it. I have no
> idea if he's right or wrong, but he was stating his perspective and we
> ought to be open to that.
> While he could have phrased it better, I don't think the CoC protects
> people
On September 3, 2014 12:47:08 PM EDT, Manoj Srivastava
wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>
>> [Manoj Srivastava, 2014-09-03]
>>> Is your position then that condes of conduct and enforcing
>>> harassment policies are a form of censorship? (I am congnizent that
>you
>
>>
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Manoj Srivastava, 2014-09-03]
>> Is your position then that condes of conduct and enforcing
>> harassment policies are a form of censorship? (I am congnizent that you
> no, if I'd think that, I'd retire already, no?
I am glad to hea
On September 3, 2014 11:17:41 AM EDT, Manoj Srivastava
wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>
>> [Scott Kitterman, 2014-09-03]
>>> We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
>
>I am disappointed; the response could have been so much more
> cpnstructi
[Manoj Srivastava, 2014-09-03]
> Is your position then that condes of conduct and enforcing
> harassment policies are a form of censorship? (I am congnizent that you
no, if I'd think that, I'd retire already, no?
> > and more seriously, the day Debian will do censorship is the day I
> >
On September 3, 2014 10:23:14 AM EDT, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling
>process"):
>> yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹, we
>> didn't have people swearing and nobody dared to say something which
>is
>> not political
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Scott Kitterman, 2014-09-03]
>> We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
I am disappointed; the response could have been so much more
cpnstructive.
> yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹
- "Zenaan Harkness" wrote:
> Or perhaps a +1/-1 button, and it acts as a voting process,
> whilst the +1s are winning the microphone stays on :)
+1!
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Piotr Ożarowski writes ("Re: Code of Conduct violations handling process"):
> yeah, lets do censorship. I lived in a country with censorship¹, we
> didn't have people swearing and nobody dared to say something which is
> not politically correct, at least in public. Grat times!
Is it `censorship' t
On 9/3/14, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Scott Kitterman , 2014-09-03, 07:59:
>>We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
>
> And broadcast delay.
Better still, a button on everyone's seat in the audience,
so everyone can play censor - that would be a hoot!
Or perhaps a +1/-1 bu
[Scott Kitterman, 2014-09-03]
> On Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:29:36 Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I'm sure that we can borrow some wording from other organisations. I
> > would suggest investigating SF conventions, and social justice
> > organisations and feminist sources, to see what they have to
* Scott Kitterman , 2014-09-03, 07:59:
We could have an on stage censor with a switch for the microphone.
And broadcast delay.
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On Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:29:36 Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
> and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
> responsible would use to guid
I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
responsible would use to guide their actions.
That document should:
* Give some examples of beh
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