Hi,
I upgraded my iMac G5 to latest debian, including kernel 5.14 !
The good thing is that the new kernel boots and X11 comes up.
The bad news is lots of applications crash and they all have one thing
in common, libffi.
So e.g. a build of ArcticFox fails:
multix@PPC970FX:~/code/Arctic-Fox$ .
Hello,
On 2021-09-23 10:13:52 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
Hello Kristoffer!
On 9/23/21 11:10, kristoffer...@tuta.io wrote:
After upgrading to 5.14.6, both my G5 and G4 machines won't boot
with this
kernel. They stop at this: ata1.00 failed to set xfermode
(err_mask =
0x
Hello Adrian,
On 2021-09-26 13:54:33 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
Hello!
On 9/26/21 14:36, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
I upgraded my iMac G5 to latest debian, including kernel 5.14 !
The good thing is that the new kernel boots and X11 comes up.
The bad news is lots of applications
Hi Adrian,
On 2021-09-26 15:43:02 +0200 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
On 9/26/21 15:39, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
That's a bit a similar issue with building libffi locally. In
/usr/local
I am unsure it would be picked up. I can of course still do it and
perhaps
have GNUstep pick
Hi Adrian,
On 2021-09-26 18:34:47 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
On 9/26/21 19:31, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Would you like me to build the latest "release" of libffi ?
Yes, please test the 3.4.2 release by checking out the "v3.4.2" tag:
$ git checkou
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
No I cannot, 3.4.2 (cleaned, reconfigured, installed) seems to work fine out of
the box.
So either the release is not well tagged, or there is an issue with the Debian
package.
You could try rebuilding the libffi Debian package locally and see if that
ma
Hi,
I upgraded the kernel only PowerBook G4 (late model) and it doesn't
boot. Quickly after exiting OF:
root: recovering journal
root: clean, 373541/5865472 files, 5215323/23437500 blocks
and stays there forever.
If I take the old 5.10 kernel it still boots. No "Recovering journal"
message
Hi,
just for info - the issue happens also on PowerPC G4 32bit.
strange nobody else shares this?
Riccardo
Hello Adrian
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> $ wget http://incoming.ports.debian.org/libffi8_3.4.2-2+b1_powerpc.deb
> $ dpkg -i libffi8_3.4.2-2+b1_powerpc.deb
>
> For ppc64:
>
> $ wget http://incoming.ports.debian.org/libffi8_3.4.2-2+b1_ppc64.deb
> $ dpkg -i libffi8_3.4.2-2+b1_ppc64.deb
I can
Hello,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> It's not being built with -mnative as far I could tell from the logs.
>
> But you can verify whether this is the case or not by building the
> Debian package on your local machine:
>
> $ apt-get install devscripts
> $ dget -u
> https://deb.debian.org/de
Hi Adrian
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>
>
> It’s been moved:
>
> > http://incoming.ports.debian.org/buildd/packages/sid/main/
>
Thanks. I got from there libffi8_3.4.2-2+b1_powerpc.deb
I replaced the one I compiled myself and I immediately get illegal
instruction in a libffi-using app.
I
Hi Stan,
On 28/09/2021 01:49, Stan Johnson wrote:
Which G4 PowerBook are using?
To my knowledge it is one of the absolutely latest PowerBook models,
with USB keyboard (lots of issues!).
multix@Auryn:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
cpu : 7447A, altivec supported
clock
Hi,
I carefully upgraded kernel and other selected packages on my trusty
iBook and see how it goes. The iMac G5 runs smooth (except for libffi
issues) with current kernel and Debian the PowerBook adds to this latest
kernel issues, but for the rest it has "only" the libffi issue.
How would th
Hi,
Darn! X doesn't work on my PowerBook G4 too! I was so happy that the
5.14-2 kernel did boot successfully with a console, but it does not
start X, black screen, exactly as on the iBook.
Contrary to the iBook, the PowerBook has been updated to the very latest
possible packages, including
Hi Stan,
On 2021-10-06 16:59:36 + Stan Johnson wrote:
I can confirm that X is not working on a PowerPC G4 Cube with the
stock
Debian kernel "vmlinux-5.14.0-2-powerpc". X does work with the stock
Debian kernel "vmlinux-5.10.0-8-powerpc". In both cases, I'm using the
latest Debian SID with
Hello Stan,
thanks for the testing time.
I tested these kernels from mainline Linux on the Cube:
5.14.0 works
5.15.0-rc3 works
5.15.0-rc4-00019-g5af4055fa813 works
Kernel 5.14.9 from www.kernel.org also works.
Running "apt-get install kernel-source" downloads:
"linux-source-5.14 (5.14.9-2
Hi,
On 2021-10-07 09:18:09 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
Hello Riccardo!
On 10/7/21 03:39, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Did you see the error I am getting about BIOS ROM at boot? Do you
get it
too?
This isn't an error, it's just what you expect on a non-x86 system.
Grap
Hi,
Dan Whitehouse wrote:
> I've got a Powermac G4 running debian ppc32.
> I've noticed a potential issue with aptitude.
> If I run "aptitude update" I notice it never seems to complete.
> It'll use 18% or so of my RAM (which is about 450mb I believe) but no
> CPU. It isn't swapping.
with current
Hi all,
just to note that the libffi issues are back.
I believe Adrian put in some patched version with a workaround, which
with the latest update stopped working again?
Riccardo
Hi Adrian
,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> a) Upstream doesn't care and has not even looked at the issue yet:
That's worrying.
>
>> https://github.com/libffi/libffi/issues/662
> b) Debian's libffi maintainer hasn't understood the problem and assume it's
>just a matter of passing the r
Hello,
an update on this - Last kernel 5.15 works fine on my PowerBook again!
Will test now on my iBooks and also on the iMac where I never had
issues however.
Riccardo
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Hi,
On 2021-11-03 19:09:05 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> The problem is not exclusive to PowerPC but also SPARC and 32-bit x86. It
> used to work before with version 3.4.2 in experimental:
>
> See:
> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=libffi&arch=powerpc&ver=3.4.2-1&s
Hi!
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> an update on this - Last kernel 5.15 works fine on my PowerBook again!
> Will test now on my iBooks and also on the iMac where I never had issues
> however.
Good news. X11 is working again:
* clamshell iBook G3
* white iBook G4
* iMac G5 iSight (neve
Hello Adrian
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I forgot to upload the manually built package for 32-bit powerpc which I have
> done
> now. The fixed package should be available on the FTP servers within the next
> six
> hours.
The issue was indeed on 32bit PPC as Efraim mentioned.
Thank you f
Hi Ken,
Ken Cunningham wrote:
>
> All your excellent work deserves to be used! So make it easier for
> people, is all I'm about here.
I understand where you are. I have long experience with PPC and Linux
and yet an install was not easy, depending on the flux of packages
We could start with som
Hi Tony,
to...@suse.de wrote:
> Right now it's running 3.0 Linux kernel. It's overheating. It will
> boot into X11 and remain up pretty much indefinitely if the load
> average remains under 1.5. If I start Firefox I'll get a spike
> (log warnings from Windfarm that the temp is "overtemp" fo
Hello,
I also updated my PowerBook G4 (which has grub) and my iBook G4 (which
has lilo) and it all works fine too! I just did a quick test, but seems
working. (*)
Soon I will attempt on my iBook G3 then!
(*) actually, I noticed that on my iBook using Arcitcfox WebGL does not
work, on the PowerBo
Hi David,
David VANTYGHEM wrote:
> I installed last ISO of Debian for PowerPC. All is fine but screen is
> blank, xserver doesn't start. Following Adrian advice, I installed
> xserver-xorg-video-r128package but there's no changes. Must I type
> something particular after installing this package or
Hello,
I did a major dist-upgrade on my old iBook G3 clamshell. It wasn't
without minor hiccups... perhaps also because I didn't do it in many months.
I suppose open-jdk and all the related java studd don't work properly
because the failed to configure, however, I never used them but were
only a s
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> There is an FTBFS with the driver that needs to be fixed [1].
>
> However, there is an upstream patch available that fixes the issue plus
> there is also a newer upstream version available [2] which should fix the
> problem as well [3].
>
> @Adrian: Could you
Hello,
while on my PowerBook OpenGL works (both in a browser as well in minimal
test case glxgears) on my iBook G4 not:
$ glxgears
radeon: Invalid PCI ID.
libGL error: glx: failed to create dri2 screen
libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi
LLVM ERROR: Relocation type not implemented ye
Hi Adrian & Adrian,
did you make the driver available somewhere?
I just tried an update today and same old issue:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
xserver-xorg-video-mach64 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-24 but it is not
installable
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken insta
Hi Adrian(s)!
On 11/17/22 19:35, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Hi Riccardo!
On 11/14/22 23:32, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
did you make the driver available somewhere?
I just tried an update today and same old issue:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
xserver-xorg-video-mach64
Hi,
Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> Thanks for the link, interesting and I didn't know about this one
> indeed. Beyond "not available this year", I see the one-but least FAQ
> https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/faq/
> says that it won't run a "modern distro" in little-endian mode, as
> "although it does
Hi,
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Another concern is that a software which does run only on one single
> endianness proves to be buggy and loosely written. High level software
> such as Firefox should be independant of such considerations, exactly as
> it should not rely on internal details of the impl
Hi All!
if you can read it.. it means that my iBook is rocking. X11 and WiFi
(Airport) included.
For weeks X11 and ATI drivers were broken beyond usage. I performed a
full system upgrade.
6.1.0-7-powerpc #1 Debian 6.1.20-1 (2023-03-19) ppc GNU/Linux
:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Ad
Hi Gabriel,
On 2023-03-24 08:27:36 +0100 Gabriel Paubert wrote:
Hi Riccardo,
I'd like to restart my Pismo (got an SSD in 2014 when you could still
find them with PATA interface). Could you please append (or attach)
here
a copy of your apt/sources.list to help people wanting to resta
Hi Lennart,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
I had a poke at it, dealt with a couple of compile issues, then
encountered Blocks and went WTF did Apple invent here? I don't even
understand the description of their proprietary extension to C/C++/ObjC.
I had never seen code with ^ prefixed to things in th
H Fritz,
Fritz Hudnut wrote:
Adrian:
Just providing feedback on the Debian Sid/PPC install that I ran a
couple months back and then today did an apt dist-upgrade that brought
in 489 packages. Because the machine has a 933 MHz cpu it doesn't do
anything too fast, but it did get through the
Hi Ken,
Ken Cunningham wrote:
> I am aware of a few projects out there working to try to keep a repackaged
> TenFourFox going that have *.deb archives available, and I think there are
> some official channels for a few different browsers inside debian (Firefox,
> Epiphany).
I don't know what
Hi,
I am giving a refresh to the GNUstep BatteryMonitor [*] and was checking
its support to PMU. Right now it ignores battery flags and thought of
using them, but they appear to give bad data on my iBook.
I found in the linux kernel doc
https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/macin
Hi Adrian,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
just as a heads-up: I'm not getting a video signal with my iBook G4 with
the latest kernel. dmesg shows error messages that seem to be related to
the problem:
[ 14.222735] radeon :00:10.0: [drm] bpp/depth value of 16/16 not supported
[ 14.2227
Hi,
if I try to run glxgears on my iBook G4, it dies with this error:
radeon: Invalid PCI ID.
glx: failed to create dri2 screen
failed to load driver: radeonsi
LLVM ERROR: Relocation type not implemented yet!
lspci says:
:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/
Hi Adrian,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Correct, there is an issue with the brightness controls. It sometimes randomly
turns the screen off, even when turning it to maximum setting. Then when you
change the settings again randomly, the video comes back.
Still, this needs to be bisected.
O
Hi,
I did an "apt-get dist-upgrade" today and my git disappeared.
When I tried to readd it I get:
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> Debian unstable is currently undergoing a massive transition to switch
> 32-bit architectures to 64-bit time_t as announced last month:
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg0.html
>> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/64bit-
Hi Adrian,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
First run "apt update", then "apt upgrade" and make sure every package is
updated without
issues. Once that has passed, you may try to run "apt dist-upgrade" but before
you confirm
the dist-upgrade, make sure that nothing is purged you still need.
I
Hi Adrian,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Python 2.7 was removed from Debian unstable in December 2022 [1]. The
motivations for the removal are explained in [2].
I supposed so, just asked for confirmation. I don't care much about the
motivations - I need it as a build dependency. I underst
Hi Adrian,
so you suggest to use powerful scripts.
Ok, got dget (from devscripts) and sbuild.
Added my user do sbuild group.
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
You can fetch the source from here:
$ dget
-uhttp://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20220801T085926Z/pool/main/p/python2.7/python2.7
Hi!
I separate the thread - since it is specific to setting up a viable
sbuild environment.
The goal is to have the simplest and smallest enviornoment to build
source packages, in my case pyhon 2.7
I need the chroot. I read jeffrey's suggestions as well as wiki [1]
I am trying this:
sudo sb
Hello,
no hint for me which key to use? or if I miss one, where to get it?
I have apt-get working, so I think I have the key.
Riccardo
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hi!
I separate the thread - since it is specific to setting up a viable
sbuild environment.
The goal is to have the simplest and
Hi,
perhaps I'm loosing myself in a glass of water here.
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
You include the keyring when creating the chroot using the "--include" option:
# sbuild-createchroot unstable /srv/chroot/unstable-powerpc \
--arch=powerpc --variant=buildd --include=debian-ports-archi
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Yes, you need “buildd”.
Oh, I thought that buildd was only for participating in debian build not
for local builds.
So let me retry:
sudo sbuild-createchroot unstable debian-powerpc --arch=powerpc
--variant=buildd --include=debian-ports-archive-keyring
Hi,
brief summary:
---
sudo sbuild-createchroot unstable debian-powerpc --arch=powerpc
--include=debian-ports-archive-keyring --keyring
/usr/share/keyrings/debian-ports-archive-keyring.gpg
http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports
dget
-uhttp://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20220801T0
Hi,
Leo Historias wrote:
What? You didn't finish due to lack of "manpower"? And we need cross
transpile? Okay, i could do it for you if only i had the skills
necessary and I'm not too young (but being too young isn't neccesary
for the reason not to do it,right? I'm 17,almost turning 18 next ye
Hi,
Leo Historias wrote:
They should update firefox to the latest one considering it is
outdated and 52esr is out of support. 115ESR or 128esr is more updated
than 52esr.
because Mozilla makes things unbuildable and unportable nowadays. Even
if you could get it to run it would be full of en
Hi,
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Since the OP of #697606 does not have the hardware anymore, I am
thinking of closing the bug report.
Does anyone have access to an iBook G3 and wants to update the bug ?
I run debian on my iBook G3, but I don't think it is the same. It says
there it is a A1007, I h
Hi,
I just upgraded everything.
I noticed that I cannot connect to my home wifi anymore, which is a
pretty simple WEP encrypted network, which always used to work.
I noticed that the Airport card is detected as a device and that I can
configure it with iwconfig to the correct ESSID and KEY:
Hi,
in my dmesg I see this:
[ 268.896698] systemd-logind[1976]: New seat seat0.
[ 268.941156] systemd-logind[1976]: Failed to start user service,
ignoring: Unknown unit: user@1000.service
should I worry? where does it come from?
Riccardo
Hi,
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
that I can
>configure it with iwconfig to the correct ESSID and KEY:
What do you get running:
$ apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree
firmware-linux-nonfree:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 20160110-1
Version table:
20160110-1 500
500 http://ft
Hi,
Risto Suominen wrote:
What firmware version did you have before? Looks like the card has
8.70, and Debian loads 9.48. You could try to rename the file
agere_sta_fw.bin, forcing the card to use its own firmware. I have
seen situations where loading 9.48 gives me WPA but takes away WEP.
I do
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
I just installed it yesterday, because otherwise during startup I saw in the
>messages a problem with missing firmware.
That precisely states you did not install it...
That package installs actually two packages... the linux-misc and the
ati, I installed just one of t
Hi Mathieu;
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>firmware-linux-nonfree:
> Installed: (none)
> Candidate: 20160110-1
> Version table:
> 20160110-1 500
> 500http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free powerpc
>Packages
>
>I just installed it yesterday, because otherwise during star
Hi,
Risto Suominen wrote:
What firmware version did you have before? Looks like the card has
8.70, and Debian loads 9.48. You could try to rename the file
agere_sta_fw.bin, forcing the card to use its own firmware. I have
seen situations where loading 9.48 gives me WPA but takes away WEP.
prov
Hi,
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Riccardo Mottola
wrote:
Hi,
in my dmesg I see this:
[ 268.896698] systemd-logind[1976]: New seat seat0.
[ 268.941156] systemd-logind[1976]: Failed to start user service, ignoring:
Unknown unit: user@1000.service
should I
Hi,
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
should I worry? where does it come from?
https://bugs.debian.org/756247
By re-reading the bug history a second time after a couple of days, i
see it says the bug is in systemd-shim and not systemd-sysv
I will check what I have actually installed. I remember I
Hi,
as I wrote a little while ago, I had issues with Airport on my iBook G3.
Now I installed several updates, including kernel and others... I reboot
and notice that I have no airport at all!
I don't see it mentioned in dmesg, nor does ifconfig/iwconfig show any.
$ lspci
:00:0b.0 Host brid
Hi,
G 3 wrote:
This happens to me so much that I have to keep these directions and
the firmware file on hand at all times.
This is what fixes things for me:
sudo dpkg -i linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb
sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe b43
Here is the file:
http://ftp.ubun
Hi,
I have indeed the original airport, this is an original iBook.
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>as I wrote a little while ago, I had issues with Airport on my iBook G3.
>Now I installed several updates, including kernel and others... I reboot and
>notice that I have no airport at all!
Did you kee
Hi,
Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
Unlikely, however i had an iBook G3, and its Airport was a bit
intermittent, so it's possible there is a (fixable) HW problem. Just a
guess.
luckily booting an older kernel proves that it works. I never had
issues, although this thing is getting a bit old,
Hi,
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
luckily booting an older kernel proves that it works. I never had issues,
>although this thing is getting a bit old, but I am fond of it!
>What issues? connector soldering issues' Overheating?
So what does lspci shows now ?
as I wrote in the other message, the inte
Hi,
sure! I had to install lshw.
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Could you try then:
# lshw -class network
On the kernel that works I see this:
root@fuchur:~# lshw -class network
*-network
description: Ethernet interface
product: UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM)
vendor: Apple Inc.
Hi Mathieu,
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Ok, then copy/paste:
$ find/lib/modules/ -name airport.ko -exec /sbin/modinfo {} \;
and sent it back. thx
filename:
/lib/modules/4.0.0-2-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/orinoco/airport.ko
license:Dual MPL/GPL
description:Driver for the Ap
Hi Lennart,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Well if it is, then manually doing:
modprobe airport
should detect the wifi on the new kernel.
It also means the 4.6 kernel in unstable ought to work automatically
again.
yes, a manual modprobe makes it work! I will test further next week how
well it does
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 02:46:13PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>Looks like someone has discovered the likely problem, which is an
>openfirmware compatiblity match issues introduced in 4.5 that is fixed
>again in 4.6.
OK not fixed in 4.6 (I misread it). Will be f
Hi,
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
the work around is easy enough! important is that it works at all.
I will now test with 4.6 how wifi survives latop sleep and play with
the new firmware again.
Thanks all for now!
it survives badly. I don't know how kernel 4.5 worked, since I used it
Hi,
Dan DeVoto wrote:
In addition to the debian powerpc mailing list, powerpc users are active on the
Ubuntu forums. I'm running Debian Sid on a Powerbook and everything works
except 3D acceleration. I don't see a need to drop it.
I hope that my iBook G3 will serve me for years to come! Lo
Hi,
any of you still running G3 or anyway a non-altivec computer?
I noticed that using GS applications (compiled from source, not debian
packages) I am unable to open JPEG files, I get an Illegal instruction.
(gdb) bt
#0 0x0d243b68 in ?? () from /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/libjpeg.so.62
#1 0
Hi Lennart,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 08:57:56AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
I what test program could I use? I noticed that e.g. Firefox (which works)
is not linked against it.
You could try forcing altivec off in libjpegturbo by setting the environment:
export
Hi,
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Well it does not work -yet- at least on ppc32 with gcc 6.1.1:
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71777
But I would report the bug anyway to libjpegturbo. Riccardo, could you do that?
reported upstream:
https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo/is
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Actually it appears it will, but it requires gcc that was built against
glibc 2.23 which just entered unstable. Before glibc 2.23, gcc on
powerpc does not supprot those builtins.
I will try to do a patch that does getauxvec of AT_HWCAP directly instead
to get altive
Hi,
Gabriel Paubert wrote:
That is garbage in my opinion, given there exists a proper interface
>for getting that info.
Seconded, getauxval (not getauxvec!) is simpler, officially supported
for a long time, and while the intent is not to modify the format of
/proc/cpuinfo in a way that would br
Hi,
Gabriel Paubert wrote:
Anyway, I think the best of two worlds would be to use getauxval()
>when available (most probably any currently supported OS) and fall
>back to cpuinfo if not. A configure test I suppose is quite simple.
You don't always configure/compile on the machine you run. Espec
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 01:43:12PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
>You don't always configure/compile on the machine you run. Especially
>the people who build distributions.
True, but you would still be configuring and compiling against the target
libc, so configure
Hi,
On 08/10/2016 20:51, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
I use a PowerMac (Mac Mini) with a G4 and everything is fine.
Technically even Altivec is not required:
and I hope it remains so or G3 users will loose their iMacs or iBooks
(like i mine!)
Riccardo
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Well as pointed out in the meeting, it does not seem any architecture
has ever done so. No rule against it, but the standards for getting in
are higher than for staying in.
I think nobody ever got back.. we got dropped. Are we "dead" ? I don't
feel dead bu apparen
Hi,
On 31/10/2016 18:44, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
I am not a DD, or a DM, but I have certainly helped fix problems for
powerpc, including in language runtimes for languages I don't use.
Unfortunately it seems the upstream for most things don't care much for
anything other than x86 and arm these
Hi Christoph,
Christoph Biedl wrote:
Now the surprise: Using the 32 bit userland, CPU bound operations like
gzip or xz are significantly faster (5 to 10 percent). Comparing to x86
where i386 is 10 to 15 percent slower than amd64. Also running
debootstrap showed a similar pattern. All tests were
Hi,
I did update debian on my iBook G3 with current.
X doesn't start and in the xorg log I see the section below.
How can I solve this? What happened?
Riccardo
[ 392.682] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session
/org/freedesktop/login1/session/_31
[ 392.688] (--) PCI:*(0:0:16:0) 1
Hi all,
any clue about this? I saw some updates, but no X package and the issue
still happens.
It looks like my card can't be detected at all.
Anybody else is running on Mac hardwware with ATI currently?
Riccardo
Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hi,
I did update debian on my iBook G3 with cu
Hi John Paul,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Can you please post the output of the dmesg and lspci commands?
if course, this is lspci:
:00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Inc. UniNorth AGP
:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Device 4c4e (rev 64)
0001:
Hi,
luigi burdo wrote:
can it be something related the kernel?
I fear it is! I still had 4.7.0-1 instead of 4.9.0-2 and booted that.
All the rest being equals, X starts and works.
So either it is a kernel issue or still a bad X-kernel interaction.
Maybe John Paul gets wiser?
This lspci f
Hi,
luigi burdo wrote:
another thing.
is the gpu in slot 0:16:0 ?
can you share an lspci ?
Yes it is (should be actually AGP). I already posted dmesg and lspci
with the "new" kernel.
This is with the working one. Looks identical to me:
:00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Inc. UniNorth AGP
0
Hi guys,
don't fight over kernel modules :) le'ts just get the thing working again.
Michel Dänzer wrote:
But in any case, using fbdev should always work. The "mach64" driver
>may be broken because it's more or less orphaned.
Except for the part where Riccardo says that the same userspace works
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Your machine is loading the framebuffer kernel driver which will only work
when you configure X.Org to use the "fbdev" driver. You can either set your
display driver to "fbdev" (see further below) or disable the framebuffer driver
on the kernel command line w
Hi,
Michel Dänzer wrote:
AFAICT Option "Noaccel" completely disables hardware acceleration.
Together with Option "shadow_fb", it should operate more or less the
same way the fbdev driver does. If you're still seeing a difference in
performance between the two drivers, having a more detailed desc
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Then you need to provide as many datapoints as possible. Trying to
bisect the
kernel version which broke the driver is already the right idea.
I would start working with snapshot.debian.org to find the Debian kernel
version which broke the driver. Then we c
Hi,
On 03/08/17 08:01, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
In my couple days old Debian Jessie/stable PowerPC on a very old 2002
15" Titanium PowerBook G4 with 512 MB of RAM, it came with Firefox v45.7
ESR but it is very slow and uses too much memories.
The browser panorama is becoming dim outisde x86/amd64...
Hi,
On 03/08/17 10:33, PhiLLip Pi wrote:
Where are you getting your SeaMonkey from? I don't see any in
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceape&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
andhttps://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.46/ (no PPC
port).:(
I don't - I do run Firefox
Hi,
Laurent Bigonville wrote:
For the powerpc port, if G3 are still supposed to be supported,
altivec should be disabled as they are not supporting it IIRC
(longtime I didn't use a ppc machine).
If you are telling me altivec is OK, I guess that the flag can be
removed and the situation can be
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