Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-05-08 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Monday, May 8, 2023, Ben Westover wrote: > Is this something I can fix, or does modern Xorg just need more VRAM? try 640x480 and/or 16bpp. l. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-05-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi! On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 20:20 -0400, Ben Westover wrote: > Hello, > > On 5/7/23 3:14 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > > If you add a return statement like this, does that fix the crash? > > > > /* non-x86 platform */ > > if (!info->VBIOS) { > > otypes[0] = OUTPUT_VGA; > > ret

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-05-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 20:20 -0400, Ben Westover wrote: ... > (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 > > Is this something I can fix, or does modern Xorg just need more VRAM? I don't know enough about the Xorg codebase to answer this. It would be a good idea to ask o

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-05-07 Thread Ben Westover
(EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 Is this something I can fix, or does modern Xorg just need more VRAM? Thanks, -- Ben Westover OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-05-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2023-05-06 at 16:56 -0400, Ben Westover wrote: > (gdb) print info > $1 = (R128InfoPtr) 0x776ed0 > (gdb) print info.VBIOS > $2 = (uint8_t *) 0x0 If you add a return statement like this, does that fix the crash? /* non-x86 platform */ if (!info->VBIOS) { otypes[0] = OUTPUT_

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-05-06 Thread Ben Westover
On 4/18/23 10:44 PM, Paul Wise wrote: These are the macro definitions. #define R128_BIOS8(v) ((info->VBIOS[(v)])) #define R128_BIOS16(v) ((info->VBIOS[(v)]) | \ (info->VBIOS[(v) + 1] << 8)) #define R128_BIOS32(v) ((info->VBIOS[(v)]) | \

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2023-04-18 at 09:42 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tuesday, April 18, 2023, Ben Westover wrote: > >         /* non-x86 platform */ > >         if (!info->VBIOS) { > >             otypes[0] = OUTPUT_VGA; > >         } > > > >         bios_header = R128_BIOS16(0x48); > > al

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-18 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tuesday, April 18, 2023, Ben Westover wrote: > Hello, > > On 4/16/23 10:18 PM, Paul Wise wrote: >> >> There is also the case where you launch Xorg via gdb and then run it. >> >> $ gdb `which Xorg` >> (gdb) run >> (gdb) bt full > >

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-17 Thread Ben Westover
Hello, On 4/16/23 10:18 PM, Paul Wise wrote: There is also the case where you launch Xorg via gdb and then run it. $ gdb `which Xorg` (gdb) run (gdb) bt full Perfect! I was able to get a full backtrace, which is attached. Here's the part that I think is important: Pr

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 15:08 -0400, Ben Westover wrote: > I'm probably doing something wrong (never used gdb before), but Xorg > closes almost instantly after I run it so there's not enough time to > launch gdb before it's already segfaulted. It sounds like these t

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-16 Thread Ben Westover
Hi, On 4/15/23 10:56 PM, Paul Wise wrote: I think you will need to do some debugging, there are some tips here: https://x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/ServerDebugging/ I'm probably doing something wrong (never used gdb before), but Xorg closes almost instantly after I run

Re: Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 15:46 -0400, Ben Westover wrote: > My system is up to date as of April 15, 2023; I'm running kernel > 6.1.0-7-powerpc with Mesa 22.3.6. Does anyone how to fix this problem? I think you will need to do some debugging, there are some tips here: https://x.org/wiki/Development

Xorg segfaults on iMac G3 with Rage 128 Pro

2023-04-15 Thread Ben Westover
Hello, I have an iMac G3 with a Rage 128 Pro and 1 GB of RAM. I tried to install and run Xfce4, but Xorg segfaults when I try to start it. The full Xorg log is attached, but here is the backtrace at the end: (EE) 0: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (OsLookupColor+0x240) [0xac4a60] (EE) 1: linux-vdso32.so

Re: XOrg issues with Rage 128 Ultra graphics: No screens found.

2021-10-20 Thread Johann Klammer
On 10/18/2021 07:50 PM, Alex McKeever wrote: > Essentially, my screen can be found (I have an iMac G3 in which I’ve ran Sid > on)… however it can’t find any usable configurations, and manually generating > an XOrg configuration (editing it to give certain options) doesn’t help. Is

Re: XOrg issues with Rage 128 Ultra graphics: No screens found.

2021-10-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! On 10/18/21 19:39, Alex McKeever wrote: > Essentially, my screen can be found (I have an iMac G3 in which I’ve ran Sid > on)… > however it can’t find any usable configurations, and manually generating an > XOrg > configuration (editing it to give certain options) doesn’t h

XOrg issues with Rage 128 Ultra graphics: No screens found.

2021-10-18 Thread Alex McKeever
Essentially, my screen can be found (I have an iMac G3 in which I’ve ran Sid on)… however it can’t find any usable configurations, and manually generating an XOrg configuration (editing it to give certain options) doesn’t help. Is this an XOrg, driver, or kernel issue? I’d like to know as this

Re: Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-05-13 Thread Ed Robbins
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 14:22, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > On 4/21/20 3:09 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: > >> After some xorg driver packages were removed from the archive in #955603 > >> [1] > >> that we still need for Debian Ports, I was wondering whethe

Re: Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-04-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi! Ed Robbins wrote: This sounds like a good idea. I have a number of machines affected by this issue (both G4 and x86). Is it possible to bring these packages back into debian? They work well enough for many users. I second that.. especially some of these are very useful on x86, some also o

Re: Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-04-29 Thread Ed Robbins
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 12:23, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Hi! > > After some xorg driver packages were removed from the archive in #955603 [1] > that we still need for Debian Ports, I was wondering whether it's okay when > I take over maintainership and upload the

Re: Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-04-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hi! > > After some xorg driver packages were removed from the archive in #955603 [1] > that we still need for Debian Ports, I was wondering whether it's okay when > I take over maintainership and upload the packages to unstable as w

Re: Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-04-21 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 4/21/20 3:09 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: >> After some xorg driver packages were removed from the archive in #955603 [1] >> that we still need for Debian Ports, I was wondering whether it's okay when >> I take over maintainership and upload the packages to unstable as w

Re: Xserver-xorg-video-ATI?

2020-04-21 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 4/21/20 2:31 PM, Alex McKeever wrote: > Looks like the r128 driver isn’t necessary on its own as it’s provided by > this package digging a little deeper. I also have xserver-XOrg-legacy > installed which isn’t promising. Would the standalone r128 driver even help > in this scenar

iMac G3 XOrg segfault r128 driver

2020-04-21 Thread Alex McKeever
Adrian, I have the driver installed but I’m getting a segmentation fault. xorg.0.log Description: Binary data Attached is my Xorg.0.log file - Alex

Re: Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-04-21 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 13:23:40 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hi! > > After some xorg driver packages were removed from the archive in #955603 [1] > that we still need for Debian Ports, I was wondering whether it's okay when > I take over maintainership and up

Re: Xserver-xorg-video-ATI?

2020-04-21 Thread Alex McKeever
ng a little deeper. I also have xserver-XOrg-legacy installed which isn’t promising. Would the standalone r128 driver even help in this scenario? Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Xserver-xorg-video-ATI?

2020-04-21 Thread Alex McKeever
Looks like the r128 driver isn’t necessary on its own as it’s provided by this package digging a little deeper. I also have xserver-XOrg-legacy installed which isn’t promising. Would the standalone r128 driver even help in this scenario? Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Maintaining older xorg driver packages by Debian Ports

2020-04-21 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi! After some xorg driver packages were removed from the archive in #955603 [1] that we still need for Debian Ports, I was wondering whether it's okay when I take over maintainership and upload the packages to unstable as we need them. I understand that the timing is a bit unfortunate,

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread aggaz
(who works on VoidPPC) said r128 needs patched to even work…. I don’t even know what he did to get it working over there. I suggest asking him what he did and then - if it's a patch that's necessary - we can include it in the xorg package for the r128 driver. The r128 driver package w

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread Alex McKeever
ng to? >> >> This might be relevant [1] although I haven't checked whether >> the patch was ever merged upstream. > > It is: > >> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-r128/commit/?id=562681414f38c6925da01b3fec0802f532cd9e53 > >> Either

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 4/20/20 10:37 PM, Alex McKeever wrote: > Here’s a link to the patch for r128’s Xorg driver on Github: > https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/blob/master/srcpkgs/xf86-video-r128/patches/fix-non-x86.patch > > <https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/blob/master/src

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 4/20/20 10:44 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 4/20/20 10:39 PM, Ed Robbins wrote: >> What rage 128 patches are you alluding to? > > This might be relevant [1] although I haven't checked whether > the patch was ever merged upstream. It is: > https://cgit.f

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 4/20/20 10:39 PM, Ed Robbins wrote: > What rage 128 patches are you alluding to? This might be relevant [1] although I haven't checked whether the patch was ever merged upstream. Either way, the Rage-128 driver package is gone, so we need to use a something like xserver-xorg-video-mod

Re: Bug#955603: RM: xserver-xorg-input-aiptek -- ROM; unmaintained, obsolete, or both

2020-04-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! > xserver-xorg-video-ast > xserver-xorg-video-geode > xserver-xorg-video-mach64 > xserver-xorg-video-neomagic > xserver-xorg-video-r128 > xserver-xorg-video-savage > xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion > xserver-xorg-video-sisusb > xserver-xorg-video-tdfx > x

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread Ed Robbins
now what he did to get it working over there. "Tried everything" is not very informative. Reports on this list are that you need to install xserver-xorg-legacy (and x-server-xorg-video-r128) for rage 128 [1]. Have you tried that? What xorg.conf have you tried? What rage 128 patches are

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
PC) said r128 needs patched to even >> work…. >> I don’t even know what he did to get it working over there. > > I suggest asking him what he did and then - if it's a patch that's necessary - > we can include it in the xorg package for the r128 driver. The r128 dri

Re: Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
t he did to get it working over there. I suggest asking him what he did and then - if it's a patch that's necessary - we can include it in the xorg package for the r128 driver. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.or

Patched XOrg to get r128 working?

2020-04-20 Thread Alex McKeever
Tried everything to get X working (needed working for LXDE), including a new xorg.conf with modelines. NO SUCCESS AT ALL. Another developer (who works on VoidPPC) said r128 needs patched to even work…. I don’t even know what he did to get it working over there.

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-31 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 2:09 AM Bertrand Dekoninck wrote: > > On 24/12/2019 22:39, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > On 12/24/19 10:15 PM, bertrand.dekoni...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> How did you do that. > >> umount /dev/sda2 > >> fsck.hfs /dev/sda2 > >> > >> And then I had got an error. > > What

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-24 Thread Bertrand Dekoninck
On 24/12/2019 22:39, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 12/24/19 10:15 PM, bertrand.dekoni...@gmail.com wrote: How did you do that. umount /dev/sda2 fsck.hfs /dev/sda2 And then I had got an error. What error did you get? FWIW, the hfsprogs package also needs to be updated to a newer upstream

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 12/24/19 10:15 PM, bertrand.dekoni...@gmail.com wrote: >> How did you do that. > umount /dev/sda2 > fsck.hfs /dev/sda2 > > And then I had got an error. What error did you get? FWIW, the hfsprogs package also needs to be updated to a newer upstream version - something which is on my TODO list

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-24 Thread bertrand . dekoninck
Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 24 déc. 2019 à 20:42, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > a écrit : > > Hi! Hi! Tanks for your answer. > >> On 12/24/19 2:04 PM, Bertrand Dekoninck wrote: >> I’ve installed firmware-linux-nonfree_0.43 from Jessie > > You can just add the following line to your /etc/apt/so

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi! On 12/24/19 2:04 PM, Bertrand Dekoninck wrote: > I’ve installed firmware-linux-nonfree_0.43 from Jessie You can just add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb [arch=all] http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable contrib non-free and then just install the firmware using apt. I

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-24 Thread Bertrand Dekoninck
e failed, living me with an unusable console and I >> couldn’t with to another VT. >> From ssh on another machine,I’ve tracked the failing service (lightdm), run >> Xorg -configure and tried to launch it with the created config file. I >> finally could see error messages on my s

Re: Xorg non starting (was : Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-11-22)

2019-12-23 Thread Bertrand Dekoninck
e end of the boot, the system left me with a big black screen and a little « —« cursor at the top left of the screen. display-manager.service failed, living me with an unusable console and I couldn’t with to another VT. From ssh on another machine,I’ve tracked the failing service (lightdm), run

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/24/2017 06:13 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > yes, that works even when using the stock kernel and I can stop disabling the > atyfb. That's great to hear! > Very good - we have a better solution than compiling different kernels! > Perhaps it > could be at least be mentioned or best pre-conf

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Cascardo, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: Can you boot the default Debian kernel (the one with CONFIG_IO_STRICT_DEVMEM=y) with the following boot parameter and see if it works for you? iomem=relaxed If that works, you are open to some "security" issues, but no need to build a new kerne

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
only? Especially since we know it has a > larger legacy hardware base than others. Probably on 64bit nobody has such > video cards, I imagine I am not the only one running Xorg legacy. > > Compiling a kernel is not really difficult but quite time consuming. > > I still think a bug

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
and a browser like firefox! Can it be kept on on PPC 32bit only? Especially since we know it has a larger legacy hardware base than others. Probably on 64bit nobody has such video cards, I imagine I am not the only one running Xorg legacy. Compiling a kernel is not really difficult but quite tim

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/24/2017 11:34 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > That's actually a difficult question. Looking at what the option does, > it's actually a security feature [1] and disabling it would take away > security for a lot of users. Sorry, forgot to provide the link: > http://cateee.net/lkddb/web

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
the setting is incompatible with with > legacy Xorg, which is the one I am using. Yes, indeed. Thanks for verifying this. Glad to hear you figured out how to get X.Org working on your machine again. > Adrian, can you open the bug or should I, where ? That's actually a difficult question.

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
13 kernel using this guide: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en > > I used the debian supplied config except the IO strict devmem setting. > It took almost 2 days to build on the iBook using a SSD! :) > > X11 now works, so this is the proof. > Fur

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
pt the IO strict devmem setting. It took almost 2 days to build on the iBook using a SSD! :) X11 now works, so this is the proof. Furthermore the description says that the setting is incompatible with with legacy Xorg, which is the one I am using. Maybe with an updated ATI driver the usage

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-15 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 16/03/17 08:21 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > X11 doesn't start, but the error message changed and goes further. > Before it essentially failed to detect my card, now I see in Xorg.log: [...] > [ 175.085] (EE) MACH64(0): Unable to map linear aperture. Invalid > argument (22) This could st

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-15 Thread Riccardo Mottola
the framebuffer off. > To test this I would need to run the new kernel without > the kernel atyfb and see if then Xorg starts. > I asked for advice on how to I actually mentioned that in my first post: video=atyfb:off You should just be able to append this on the yaboot com

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
nel atyfb and see if then Xorg starts. > I asked for advice on how to I actually mentioned that in my first post: video=atyfb:off You should just be able to append this on the yaboot command line. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Deve

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-15 Thread Riccardo Mottola
o let the kernel atyfb driver or the Xorg mach64 driver access the GPU's MMIO register aperture. could we turn that option back (if proven that it is it)? To test this I would need to run the new kernel without the kernel atyfb and see if then Xorg starts. I asked for advice on how to, if it

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-14 Thread Michel Dänzer
ing I/O memory ranges which are already claimed by a kernel driver. I.e. you have to choose whether you want to let the kernel atyfb driver or the Xorg mach64 driver access the GPU's MMIO register aperture. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://www.amd.com Libre software enthusiast | Mesa and X developer

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-14 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/15/2017 12:44 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Interesting is that this is 4.8.0-1 while the header advertises 4.8.5! Not really. 4.8.0 is the ABI version while 4.8.5 is the kernel version. This means that modules built for a 4.8.3 kernel will also work for a 4.8.5 kernel without having to reco

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Michel Dänzer wrote: Can you provide the two /boot/config-4.8* files? If you attach them > directly, maybe compress them e.g. with gzip to avoid running into > mailing list size limits. Or maybe just attach the output of diff -u for the two files. attached (well, I forgot unified, but it

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Michel Dänzer wrote: Can you provide the two /boot/config-4.8* files? If you attach them > directly, maybe compress them e.g. with gzip to avoid running into > mailing list size limits. Or maybe just attach the output of diff -u for the two files. attached (well, I forgot unified, but it

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-08 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 09/03/17 10:34 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On 09/03/17 04:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: >> >> Did debian change something in the kernel between rc8 and -1 (patches, >> config options) or did we uncover an upstream kernel bug? > > Can you provide the two /boot/config-4.8* files? If you attach th

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-08 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 09/03/17 04:19 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > On 03/07/17 13:11, Riccardo Mottola wrote: >> >> For the 4.8 series instead: >> >> 4.8.0-rc8-powerpc #1 Debian 4.8~rc8-1~exp1 (2016-09-26) >> 4.8.0-1 Debian 4.8.5 -> broken >> >> Since I saw no other 4.7 series, I can see that the breakage happened >>

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-08 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, On 03/07/17 13:11, Riccardo Mottola wrote: For the 4.8 series instead: 4.8.0-rc8-powerpc #1 Debian 4.8~rc8-1~exp1 (2016-09-26) 4.8.0-1 Debian 4.8.5 -> broken Since I saw no other 4.7 series, I can see that the breakage happened already in the 4.8 series:, somewhere between: linux-image-

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-07 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/07/2017 01:11 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > How can I know when an update was available? Or, better which intermediate > versions are or have been available between my two kernels versions? You search for the "linux" source package on the snapshots page: > http://snapshot.debian.org/packag

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Then you need to provide as many datapoints as possible. Trying to bisect the kernel version which broke the driver is already the right idea. I would start working with snapshot.debian.org to find the Debian kernel version which broke the driver. Then we c

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
s, having a more detailed description of the difference and seeing the full Xorg log files corresponding to both cases would be interesting. well - i Idsabled things to avoid some bugs I do not remember :) Currently my working setup is: Section "Device" Identifier "

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread Michel Dänzer
onf has options disabling all hardware acceleration of >> xserver-xorg-video-mach64 anyway. In that case there's no benefit in >> using that vs xserver-xorg-video-fbdev. > > Not all acceleration, but most of it - that is the best I could get > about a year ago withotu having very st

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 06/03/17 10:08 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 02:00:03PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: >> No. He wasn't rude. Not a bit. > > Yes, *I* perceived that as rude. > >> He simply was - as most of the time here >> - very specific, terse and up to the relevant technic

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 02:00:03PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > No. He wasn't rude. Not a bit. Yes, *I* perceived that as rude. > He simply was - as most of the time here > - very specific, terse and up to the relevant technical points. He was talking to me as if I was an idiot. It is alrig

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
, but in order to use atyfb you have to > > > use > > > the fbdev xorg driver. That's my main point. > > > > If you mean for Xorg to use atyfb, that's technically correct, but > > I'm > > not sure how it's relevant. > > It's re

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/06/2017 11:04 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Exactly, that "proof" means that the changes comes from the kernel or > that the driver needs updating to work with the new kernel. Or the kernel needs to be fixed in case it's a regression. > Compiling kernels is a bit tight on this iBook. What r

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Your machine is loading the framebuffer kernel driver which will only work when you configure X.Org to use the "fbdev" driver. You can either set your display driver to "fbdev" (see further below) or disable the framebuffer driver on the kernel command line w

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread Riccardo Mottola
again and noticed that his xorg.conf has options disabling all hardware acceleration of xserver-xorg-video-mach64 anyway. In that case there's no benefit in using that vs xserver-xorg-video-fbdev. Not all acceleration, but most of it - that is the best I could get about a year ago withotu ha

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/06/2017 09:06 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: >> On a sidenote: Please be more polite on this list. There is no need to >> be that rude and condescending. > > What specifically did you find rude and condescending? It's an honest > question. I know my writing tends to be too concise, but I'm honestl

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 06/03/17 04:59 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> On Mar 6, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: >> >> Anyway, I looked at Riccardo's original post again and noticed that his >> xorg.conf has options disabling all hardware acceleration of >> xserve

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-06 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: > >> On 06/03/17 04:20 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to use atyfb you have to use >> the fbdev xorg driver. That's my main point. > > If you mean f

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 06/03/17 04:20 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to use atyfb you have to use > the fbdev xorg driver. That's my main point. If you mean for Xorg to use atyfb, that's technically correct, but I'm not sure how it's releva

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to use atyfb you have to use the fbdev xorg driver. That's my main point. Regarding "mach64" I just said it *may* not work properly when atyfb is loaded because it needs to access the hardware itself, so I would try disabling aty

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 06/03/17 02:29 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Please re-read what I wrote. I never claimed it's a KMS driver. Nor did I claim that you claimed that. Just what you wrote would make sense if mach64 was a KMS driver, but it doesn't because it's not. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Please re-read what I wrote. I never claimed it's a KMS driver. > On Mar 6, 2017, at 4:05 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: > >> On 04/03/17 04:49 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >>> On 03/02/2017 07:44 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: >>> [4.174055] atyfb :00:10.0: enabling device (0086 -> 0087)

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On 04/03/17 04:49 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 03/02/2017 07:44 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: >> [4.174055] atyfb :00:10.0: enabling device (0086 -> 0087) >> [4.174138] atyfb: using auxiliary register aperture >> [4.174809] atyfb: 3D RAGE Mobility L (Mach64 LN, AGP 2x) [0

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-03 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/03/2017 08:49 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Then it should be possible to use the "mach64" driver *if* the kernel has > support for the hardware. However, looking at the information available in > the X.Org wiki [1], it seems the mach64 DRM module is currently not part of > the Linux

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-03 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi! On 03/02/2017 07:44 PM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > [4.174055] atyfb :00:10.0: enabling device (0086 -> 0087) > [4.174138] atyfb: using auxiliary register aperture > [4.174809] atyfb: 3D RAGE Mobility L (Mach64 LN, AGP 2x) [0x4c4e rev 0x64] > [4.174896] atyfb: 4M SDRAM (2:1)

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-03 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, luigi burdo wrote: another thing. is the gpu in slot 0:16:0 ? can you share an lspci ? Yes it is (should be actually AGP). I already posted dmesg and lspci with the "new" kernel. This is with the working one. Looks identical to me: :00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Inc. UniNorth AGP 0

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-03 Thread luigi burdo
another thing. is the gpu in slot 0:16:0 ? can you share an lspci ? Luigi Da: luigi burdo Inviato: giovedì 2 marzo 2017 10.23 A: Riccardo Mottola; debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org Oggetto: Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture) Hi Riccardo, can

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, luigi burdo wrote: can it be something related the kernel? I fear it is! I still had 4.7.0-1 instead of 4.9.0-2 and booted that. All the rest being equals, X starts and works. So either it is a kernel issue or still a bad X-kernel interaction. Maybe John Paul gets wiser? This lspci f

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi John Paul, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Can you please post the output of the dmesg and lspci commands? if course, this is lspci: :00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Inc. UniNorth AGP :00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device 4c4e (rev 64) 0001:

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-02 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 03/02/2017 10:01 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > any clue about this? I saw some updates, but no X package and the issue still > happens. > It looks like my card can't be detected at all. > Anybody else is running on Mac hardwware with ATI currently? Can you please post the output of the dmesg a

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-02 Thread luigi burdo
Hi Riccardo, can it be something related the kernel? Ciao Luigi Da: Riccardo Mottola Inviato: giovedì 2 marzo 2017 10.01 A: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org Oggetto: Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture) Hi all, any clue about this? I saw some

Re: Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-03-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
rrent. X doesn't start and in the xorg log I see the section below. How can I solve this? What happened? Riccardo [ 392.682] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_31 [ 392.688] (--) PCI:*(0:0:16:0) 1002:4c4e:: rev 100, Mem @ 0x910

Xorg fails on ATI after update (mmio aperture)

2017-02-23 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I did update debian on my iBook G3 with current. X doesn't start and in the xorg log I see the section below. How can I solve this? What happened? Riccardo [ 392.682] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_31 [ 392.688] (--) PCI:*(0:0

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-26 Thread Rick Thomas
;> I really dislike certain choices debian and more generally most Linux >> distros are taking... > > Let's clear up some FUD here: > > systemd is only required for running Xorg as a non-root user, which is > desirable from a security POV. > > Running Xorg as

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
are taking... Let's clear up some FUD here: systemd is only required for running Xorg as a non-root user, which is desirable from a security POV. Running Xorg as non-root is only possible using a KMS kernel driver. For configurations which don't / can't use a KMS kernel driver

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-22 Thread Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
I have a radeon 9550 card. 3D acceleration is broken but I have 2D acceleration when I force the card to PCI mode. It could be more an issue with the video card rather than systemd. On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Riccardo Mottola < riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote: > Herminio Hernandez, Jr. ha

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Herminio Hernandez, Jr. ha scritto: what is your video card? I am running Debian Sid on my IBook G4 and just did a dist-upgrade and am not seeing this issue. ATI 3d Rage Mobility L (Mach64 card) Riccardo

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-22 Thread Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
what is your video card? I am running Debian Sid on my IBook G4 and just did a dist-upgrade and am not seeing this issue. On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Riccardo Mottola < riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote: > Hi, > > Herminio Hernandez Jr. ha scritto: > >> Are you running Sid? >> > > yes, I do.

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Herminio Hernandez Jr. ha scritto: Are you running Sid? yes, I do. I just installed legacy server and now I have X again. I really dislike certain choices debian and more generally most Linux distros are taking... Riccardo

Re: Xorg server

2015-12-22 Thread Herminio Hernandez Jr.
Are you running Sid? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Riccardo Mottola > wrote: > > Hi, > > I have seen with regret that debian moved to some X needing systemd and a > kernel driver. > After my update, I don't get X starting anymore on my iBook with ATI video. > > Do we n

Xorg server

2015-12-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I have seen with regret that debian moved to some X needing systemd and a kernel driver. After my update, I don't get X starting anymore on my iBook with ATI video. Do we need to use the legacy server now? Riccardo

Xorg bug

2015-07-02 Thread Herminio Hernandez, Jr.
In Stretch and Sid the latest package of xorg-core fixed the bug that hit PPC machines that run the latest version of X in Ubuntu and Debian. I do not know if this has made it down stream to Ubuntu. Checking now.

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