Let's just convert debhelper and do NMUs

1999-08-03 Thread Julian Gilbey
se and the harder it will become. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Let's just convert debhelper and do NMUs

1999-08-04 Thread Julian Gilbey
or those who need the partial upgrade consistency. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Julian Gilbey
o as Debian 3.0 and warn that partial upgrades/downgrades between 2.1 and 3.0 may have nasty consequences in terms of FHS-issues? An incremented major number would tend to suggest a major change. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- J

Re: Other FHS issues (was Re: /usr/share/doc: some new proposals)

1999-08-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
th a /usr/share/man-aware /etc/manpath.config. I presume that the /var/lib/games->/var/games move will be similar on that count.) Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECT

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
"Potato" (and the earlier "Slink"), please use > + /usr/doc whereever this document refers to > + /usr/share/doc. Seconded. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbe

Re: Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
> > "Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> /usr/doc whereever this document refers to + /usr/share/doc. > > Julian> Seconded. > > Wusses. :-) Huh? What does that mean? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Bug#41547: update-rc.d and filerc (was: Re: weekly policy summary)

1999-08-09 Thread Julian Gilbey
> On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:46:34PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > Correct section 3.3 to take account of file-rc (#41547) > > * Proposed by Julian Gilbey; seconded by Roland Rosenfeld. > > * Part of policy doesn't make sense if file-rc is being used. This > >

Re: er

1999-08-11 Thread Julian Gilbey
t;with a symlink FROM ...".) Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: What would the tree look like? (was Re: er)

1999-08-11 Thread Julian Gilbey
irectory, as I have illustrated.) Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#42849: er

1999-08-12 Thread Julian Gilbey
;!). Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Consistent location of files in -doc packages.

1999-08-29 Thread Julian Gilbey
what several packages already do: install the docs in /usr/doc/pkg and have /usr/doc/pkg-doc as a symlink to /usr/doc/pkg. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Consistent location of files in -doc packages.

1999-08-29 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I would suggest what several packages already do: install the docs in > > /usr/doc/pkg and have /usr/doc/pkg-doc as a symlink to /usr/doc/pkg. > > That only works if the pkg-doc package depends on pkg, which isn&#x

Re: Consistent location of files in -doc packages.

1999-08-29 Thread Julian Gilbey
> On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 07:00:55AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I would suggest what several packages already do: install the docs in > > > > /usr/doc/pkg and have /usr/doc/pkg-doc as a symlink to

Re: Bug#43787: PROPOSAL] changing policy on compiling with -g .. a better way

1999-09-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
ld-debug target. But that's only a recommendation, you don't need > to use it. And note that we're only messing with debian/rules, which is Debian-specific anyway. And Debian is committed to GNU make. This shouldn't be a problem. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: [PROPOSAL] Directories for local initialization scripts

1999-09-03 Thread Julian Gilbey
m user, such as ftp or the like, they can have a job in /etc/init.d. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#45561: PROPOSAL] tech-ctte: /usr/share/doc

1999-09-24 Thread Julian Gilbey
ckage. Let's do it already. Seconded. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#45561: PROPOSAL] tech-ctte: /usr/share/doc

1999-09-24 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Lintian is already ready to do rudimentary checks based on the debhelper > implementation. > > On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 01:16:18AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > The technical committee has been asked to resolve the issue of what to do > > > with /usr/share/doc

Re: compiled examples and more

1999-10-10 Thread Julian Gilbey
> > Policy still suggests /etc/rc.boot instead of /etc/rcS.d (#32448) > > * Accepted. > > * Proposed on 26 Jan 1999 by Brian Servis; seconded by Julian Gilbey > > and Joey Hess. > > * Change policy to refer to /etc/rcS.d instead of the old > > /etc

Marking proposals as accepted (Was: [bi]weekly policy summary)

1999-10-10 Thread Julian Gilbey
status of proposals! > FHS-compliant location of compiled examples (#42849) > * Old. > * Proposed by Joey Hess; seconded by Julian Gilbey and Chris Waters. > * This is a proposal for dealing with architecture-specific example > files. The idea is to put them in /usr/lib/p

bitmap and pixmap location

1999-10-19 Thread Julian Gilbey
ituation at the time. Please continue the thread on -policy (Reply-To: field is set). Thanks, Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see h

Policy update

1999-10-19 Thread Julian Gilbey
I would like to spend some time this week updating policy and do an NMU to reflect the decisions of this group. Is anyone already working on it? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL

Bug#47438: copyright statement needs updating?

1999-10-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
ould the copyright > > be updated? > > Briefly: yes. So what should it say? Would an extra line: Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members be appropriate? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of

Close accepted policy amendments

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
y closes them. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
e? If the latter, then we need a dpkg NMU (Wichert? Ben?) before this can be placed in policy. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer,

Bug#43651: ACCEPTED] mailbox locking

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
_dotlock (path) == 0) > return 0; > do_fcntl_unlock (fd); > } > sleep (rand() % 10); > } > return -1; > } Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#43787: PROPOSAL] changing policy on compiling with -g .. a better way

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
I'm not quite clear from the bug logs what the final agreed wording is for this proposal. Please could you let me know? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROT

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> At 00:14 +0100 1999-10-26, Julian Gilbey wrote: > >Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: > > > >I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy > >version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the

Bug#34610: unsuffixed shared libraries

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
n dependencies work on every system even with > static libraries. It may be that this is unusual, but I can't see this > as a bug of mico! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#35510: mirror license seems Debian-specific

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
being ok that *Debian* > distributes mirror as a .deb and as a .orig plus .diff. > > IMHO, the way the question was formulated makes the "ok" from the author > to be Debian-specific, but the maintainer disagrees. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
nst packages which don't have the needed update-alternatives in their prerm? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#41902: Test suite proposal

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
the > tests created. > > > To assist in writing test scripts, there should perhaps be support > package(s) which contain useful utilities for (eg) applying regexps to > the output of things, etc. > > Ian. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#42052: var/spool/mail and /var/mail

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg I figured since it actually seems like there are no major outstanding objections to this proposal that I

Bug#43483: proposal] section 3.2 should not allow static user ids (except root=0).

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Any thoughts on this one, or should it be dropped for the time being? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org

Bug#43724: experimental patch for very much faster dpkg -R

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
It seems that this proposal was rejected due to dpkg -iGROEB being superceded by apt-cdrom. Is this correct? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
rry around > the extra baggage of kernel headers). Not necessarily. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#44922: PROPOSAL] handling missing stuff in /usr/local

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
ble and set-group-id) and be owned by root.staff. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
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Packaging Manual is policy

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Reading bug #31645, it seems clear that the Packaging Manual was accepted as policy, although Joey had reservations. Should I go ahead and make the modifications Manoj proposed? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
dep, Build-Conflicts-Indep The Build-Depends-Indep and Build-Conflicts-Indep fields apply to the targets binary and binary-indep. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. o

Bug#34223: APT removes essential packages.

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Santiago indicated a contradiction between APT's behaviour and the packaging manual. Santiago: could you suggest a rewording of the packaging manual which would resolve this issue? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, De

Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > > Do we need to then specify this in the policy manual, or will it be > > sufficient to file bugs against packages which don't have the needed > > update-alternatives in their prerm? > > No need to put this in the policy

Bug#39398: debian-policy has an unclear statement on dependancies and priorities

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
earer. "Dependencies" could be misleading. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#42554: A proposal for README.Debian

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Has this proposal been effectively rejected? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#40766: Rewrite of "configuration files" section

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
e one the scripts belong to. as proposed by Hamish. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#43724: experimental patch for very much faster dpkg -R

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > > It seems that this proposal was rejected due to dpkg -iGROEB being > > superceded by apt-cdrom. Is this correct? > > I don't think so.. this was that patch that added an option to dpkg > to use filenames instead of l

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > Given that there are now two sorts of depends, I am changing the > > paragraph: > > > >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If > >this should happen, one of the priority v

Bug#40934: PROPOSAL: changelog.html.gz sanitization

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
I second this proposal. [Joey, do you want to change the status of this proposal in the BTS?] Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
. > Actually checking that all sources can be build is a fulltime > job. There may not be any loops in the dependencies of sources (except > for essential and required). Why not? There's a well-known procedure called bootstrapping Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Bug#44922: PROPOSAL] handling missing stuff in /usr/local

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > + However, because '/usr/local' and its contents are for > > + exclusive use of the local administrator, a package must > > + not rel

Draft policy 3.1.0.0 now available

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
wrong. I'd appreciate someone to check through the policy and packaging manuals to see that they look OK. Thanks, Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian

Build dependencies: some thoughts

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
ependency, then it does not need to be listed itself. Although, having said this, I think this is obvious. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Draft policy 3.1.0.0 now available

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Julian Gilbey wrote: > > * FHS compliant location of examples (closes: #42849) To quote the latest message in the bug report, from Joey: Ok, to sum up, I have 2 seconds, and the only concern anyone's had is if these files will ever appear at all. I have found one occurr

Build-essential (was: Re: Draft policy 3.1.0.0 now available)

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
rately, we need something like that. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > How about: > > > >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values > >(excluding build-time dependencies). If this should happen, one of > >the priority values will have to be ad

Re: Draft policy 3.1.0.0 now available

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
metapackage > > What do people think? > > I am volunteering to maintain this package unless somebody else wants > it badly. Excellent -- go for it! Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths,

Re: [bi]weekly policy summary

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
orrect section 3.3 to take account of file-rc (#41547) Included. > Policy still suggests /etc/rc.boot instead of /etc/rcS.d (#32448) Included. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#38902: ACCEPTED 07/16/99] Data section

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
What's the actual wording which should go into policy? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Build dependencies: some thoughts

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
just very unlucky Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Section 3.6 references wrong menu policy

1999-10-27 Thread Julian Gilbey
ft version. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#48570: debian-policy: policy is /usr/share/doc, but debian-policy is in /usr/doc!

1999-10-28 Thread Julian Gilbey
us to wait with the /usr/doc -> /usr/share/doc move until we had a strategy for doing so. We now do, and 3.1.0.0 will describe this and close this bug. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London.

Bug#43651: ACCEPTED] mailbox locking

1999-10-28 Thread Julian Gilbey
Any progress on this, by any chance? There was a suggested implementation in the bug report; should that go in policy as a footnote? Julian > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > I am about to include this amendment in policy. However, I am stuck > > with the w

Icon and pixmap location

1999-11-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
xmaps, which is unnecessary. Please give your comments before I make a proposal. Thanks, Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Icon and pixmap location

1999-11-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Im don't think I'm subscribed to -policy. Please Cc] > > > (1) All pixmaps and bitmaps live in /usr/share/icons. End of story. > > *NO* pixmaps or bitmaps will live in /usr/X11R6/include. > >

Re: Icon and pixmap location

1999-11-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
tePixmapFromBitmapData(...) And they can be parsed and used without X. > As a result of that upload, my system no longer has anything at all in > /usr/X11r6/include/bitmaps, so I think we've just achieved a big chunk > of your proposal #2... Just xviewg to go Julian =-=-

"Spamming" apology

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
It appears something was wrong with the pipeline I wrote. Sorry for all of the package errors sent to this list. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU

Re: Icon and pixmap location

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
les, I think the distinction is confusing and unhelpful. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: Icon and pixmap location

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > > Well, maybe. They are, indeed, written as C include files, but that > > does not make them C include files: programs do not tend to say things > > like: > > I've seen lots and lots of programs that do exactly that and I woul

Re: objection! [was Re: Icon and pixmap location]

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
aving symlinks from /usr/X11R6/include/X11/{bit,pix}maps -> /usr/share/icons as another possibility. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: ITP: build-essential

1999-11-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
build-essential package). Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Policy 3.1.0.0 uploaded

1999-11-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg 3.1.0.0Oct 99 Policy Manual: - /usr/doc/ has to be a symlink pointing to

Re: Where to put kernels for rbootd?

1999-11-09 Thread Julian Gilbey
at's reverting to /var/lib in FHS 2.1, so feel free to use it. (We've now got FHS 2.1-pre3 in the potato debian-policy.) Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: objection! [was Re: Icon and pixmap location]

1999-11-16 Thread Julian Gilbey
stion: if xfree86-common were to move all of the icons currently in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/{pixmaps,bitmaps} into /usr/share/icons and then set up symlinks, how badly would things break wrt dpkg? I'm certainly not advocating that we do anything before the potato release, though. Too much to go wron

Re: objection! [was Re: Icon and pixmap location]

1999-11-18 Thread Julian Gilbey
*never* been used? But if opinion is strongly pro-/usr/share/images, I'll be happy with that. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#50502: Packaging manual typo /var/lib/dpkg/*.shlibs

1999-11-18 Thread Julian Gilbey
or the report. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#50565: packaging-manual: update dpkg-shlibdeps example in 3.1.4

1999-11-18 Thread Julian Gilbey
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Bug#50832: AMENDMENT] Clarify meaning of Essential: yes

1999-11-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
" package to run, and that includes the interpreter used (if any). Thoughts? Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#50832: AMENDMENT] Clarify meaning of Essential: yes

1999-11-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:53:57AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 02:54:56PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > But: I just realised. For bash (or whatever essential packages > > provide /bin/sh and /bin/perl), the situation is far worse: what > > ha

Bug#51091: Packaging-manual: there is not a

1999-11-23 Thread Julian Gilbey
99 > @@ -509,4 +509,5 @@ > > > + > > Another one! Will be corrected in the next version. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-11-29 Thread Julian Gilbey
But sadly, on occasion, this is the case. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-11-29 Thread Julian Gilbey
ince we still > > > tell people that there are non-free packages that can improve things. > > On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 10:39:03PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > But sadly, on occasion, this is the case. > > Hmm.. > > Go over to debian-legal and read the Corel t

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
affected: > [...] > So 104 suggests scattered amoung 69 packages. Also, taking into account versioned suggests: wml suggests libgd-perl xfig suggests gs-aladdin dhelp suggests glimpse So 107 suggests among 71 packages. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
non-US/non-free > > I have no idea why. Most odd. Which available file? /var/lib/dpkg/available or /var/cache/apt/available? apt-get only updates the former if it is being called from dselect. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
ring in contrib? Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
I thoroughly agree. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 10:11:28PM -0500, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I would encourage people to reread sections 4 and 5 of the social > > contract. Debian *acknowledges* the existence of non-free software, > > an

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 10:02:28PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 02:03:48AM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > I would encourage people to reread sections 4 and 5 of the social > > contract. Debian *acknowledges* the existence of non-free software, > > and

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
erarchy not being present. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's

Re: [PROPOSED] Change package relations policy to remove references to non-free from main

1999-12-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
they will still need to be reported as bugs. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate fre

Bug#51832: packaging-manual: Architecture setting: more information.

1999-12-03 Thread Julian Gilbey
ield. > Please, see bug 50319. > Thanks and sorry for my poor english. Say "Architecture: any" if it contains compiled binaries and "Architecture: all" if it doesn't. You'll soon get bug reports if it fails on another architecture, and you'll need to fix th

Re: a nitpicky reading of policy

1999-12-03 Thread Julian Gilbey
ain TeX, I would guess. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/

Re: a nitpicky reading of policy

1999-12-03 Thread Julian Gilbey
quite: if you created /usr/local/lib/gobble, then on package purge/removal, you may rmdir /usr/local/lib/gobble 2>/dev/null || true but you may not rmdir /usr/local/lib even if /usr/local/lib didn't exist when you installed the package. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Bug#51832: packaging-manual: Architecture setting: more information.

1999-12-04 Thread Julian Gilbey
jurisdiction, but you can file a bug or require the package to be built with a certain compiler version. (3) Architecture or OS specific package, such as a set of tools for x86 hardware or a Hurd-specific package. Then there's no point building for other architectures. I've o

Bug#52225: policy typo

1999-12-08 Thread Julian Gilbey
hers"). > > Peter Corrected in my CVS version; will be fixed in next release. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer,

Re: libtool bites us again (aka Libtool's Revenge, part II)

1999-12-13 Thread Julian Gilbey
one needs to go to -policy to thrash out. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate f

Re: libtool bites us again (aka Libtool's Revenge, part II)

1999-12-13 Thread Julian Gilbey
issues. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/

Re: libtool bites us again (aka Libtool's Revenge, part II)

1999-12-14 Thread Julian Gilbey
policy. However, there is only one libfoo-dev package, and that can contain the .la files. Since I am no technical expert on these issues, I am going to step back from the discussion at this point. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: Shared libs in non-standard locations

1999-12-14 Thread Julian Gilbey
so unless the package knows about loading its own libraries, that's not much use. (Apache is such a package.) Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Li

Re: objection! [was Re: Icon and pixmap location]

1999-12-14 Thread Julian Gilbey
ges/wm-icons or whatever. Then only the types of programs which would use those images would have to search that subtree. We would possibly need a mini-policy on the subtrees allowed. Thoughts anyone? Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: Shared libs in non-standard locations

1999-12-14 Thread Julian Gilbey
o these questions. Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com/

Re: Shared libs in non-standard locations

1999-12-15 Thread Julian Gilbey
modules don't need static and shared versions, don't need a -dev package, Julian -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see ht

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