Bug#885698: What licenses should be included in /usr/share/common-licenses?

2023-09-10 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2023-09-10T21:47:36+0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > Quoting Bill Allombert (2023-09-10 18:29:36) > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 09:00:22AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > > >> Hmm, how about providing license-common package and that > > > >> depends

Re: Shouldn't shipping broken symlinks be against policy?

2018-11-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2018-11-13T17:02:49+, Ian Jackson wrote: > G. Branden Robinson writes ("Shouldn't shipping broken symlinks be against > policy?"): > > Not reopening, but I have some questions for the Policy team. > ... > > I could have sworn you were incorrect, but sur

Shouldn't shipping broken symlinks be against policy?

2018-11-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
an \ -type l); do if ! test -f "$F"; then file "$F"; dpkg -S "$F"; fi; done 4938 /usr/share/man/man1/rust-gdb.1.gz: broken symbolic link to gdb.1.gz rust-gdb: /usr/share/man/man1/rust-gdb.1.gz > X > > G. Branden Robinson: > > Package: rust-gdb &

new delegates: Package Policy Committee

2005-06-23 Thread Branden Robinson / Debian Project Leader
mittee. Ideally, provided sufficiently qualified and trusted individuals are available to fill both teams, there should be little overlap in membership, so that the bodies have mutual independence. [1] http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution [2] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ -- G. Branden

resignation from Debian Policy team

2005-04-17 Thread Branden Robinson
mes to Debian Policy deliberations. Debian webmasters, Please update http://www.debian.org/intro/organization accordingly. -- G. Branden Robinson|Somewhere, there is a .sig so funny Debian GNU/Linux |that reading it will cause

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:01:25AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > So you are going to implement this even if the discussion is not already > closed. Of course you can implement it anyway, but it's unfair to ignore what > Branden Robinson asked: > > Mess

Re: Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
gain, we can always use debian/interfaces or > debian/rules.targets or something similar instead I really like the debian/interfaces proposal. -- G. Branden Robinson|The errors of great men are Debian GNU/Linux |venerable because they are more [EMAIL PRO

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Uh, what if I want to put the following at the very top of my > > debian/control file? > > > > # $Id$ > > > > I was given to understand

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:24:09PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 01:02:56PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Joy proposed to put such information in debian/control instead. > > > > >

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-07 Thread Branden Robinson
like debian/control.in. debian/rules.in is almost impossible, but debian/control can be generated by debian/rules. Also, having to parse debian/control to determine what format debian/control might be in is a bad idea. -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debi

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-06 Thread Branden Robinson
emented by each component (object) of the source package. > > $ cat debian/interface > rules: , , ... > control: , , ... I don't have a problem with this at all. -- G. Branden Robinson| The software said it required Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#218893: Alternative proposal: debian/format

2003-11-04 Thread Branden Robinson
is assumed for everything in the absence of a debian/format file. Comments? -- G. Branden Robinson|Lowery's Law: Debian GNU/Linux |If it jams -- force it. If it [EMAIL PROTECTED] |breaks, it needed replacing anyway. http://

Bug#218530: Suboptimal conditional rune for initscripts

2003-11-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 04:55:36PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Branden Robinson writes ("Re: Bug#218530: Suboptimal conditional rune for > initscripts"): > > Ah, I see the reason: > ... > > [127] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ % ash > > $ type ls > > ls is /

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
pt, then > there's not much point in continuing the discussion, I think. Oh, come on. It's obvious from context that he meant "contention", and misspoke. Not all of us on these lists are native English speakers, but that doesn't excuse deliberate misconstrual of other

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-22 Thread Branden Robinson
ented interface, but rather his knowledge of what's going on *behind* the interface. Good programmers know not to take such things for granted. Unless Manoj can come up with a different argument that I find persuasive, I would continue to support a proposal to loosen the definition of a debi

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
r disallowing debian/rules from being > a non-makefile. (itinerant policy-editor hat on) Me neither. -- G. Branden Robinson|Humor is a rubber sword - it allows Debian GNU/Linux |you to make a point without drawing [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Bug#212434: [PROPOSAL] Upgrade FHS from 2.1 to 2.2

2003-10-02 Thread Branden Robinson
ug=212434&msg=9... Pentagrammed. /me goes off to sacrifice babies to his cloven-hoofed god -- G. Branden Robinson| There's no trick to being a Debian GNU/Linux | humorist when you have the whole [EMAIL PROTECTED] | gove

Bug#212814: please clarify 3.4: description of a package

2003-09-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:02:17PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 10:50:41AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I believe package management utilities are allowed to omit the short > > description in favor of the long one for interface considerations. &

Bug#212814: please clarify 3.4: description of a package

2003-09-26 Thread Branden Robinson
ription in favor of the long one for interface considerations. The package's short description should not be a sentence. The long description should be one sentence at the VERY least. -- G. Branden Robinson| Men are born ignorant, not stupid. Debian GNU/Linux

Re: propose new virtual package: libxaw-dev

2003-09-21 Thread Branden Robinson
under my control. A virtual package is not needed to coordinate between two packages I maintain. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- G. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux | complicated way only to be able to

Bug#209855: [PROPOSAL] Move documentation of behavior of ancient dpkg in 6.6 to a footnote

2003-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
> + > > Seconded. Until and unless I say otherwise, the footnote text can be amended arbitrarily, or even deleted entirely, without invalidating my second. -- G. Branden Robinson| Organized religion is a sham and a Debi

Re: Move documentation of behavior of ancient dpkg in 6.6 to a footnote (was: /etc/shells management)

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 05:38:51PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Ok. Redirecting to debian-policy. Please follow the Policy amendment process. apt-get install debian-policy and then view: file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy-process.html/index.html -- G. Branden Robin

Re: what is policy about?

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
default, > too much effort required to convince people that their pet fancy shouldn't > be RC, and the RC policy not being up to date enough when it counts, > and all. Of couse, those ills are a thing of the past now... /me coughs*143825* -- G. Branden Robinson|

Re: what is policy about?

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
current form, Policy *will* continue to be used as a stick. A fairly large one, at that. I reiterate my position from last year: * decouple the Policy manual from bug severities * decouple bug severities from release management Neither of these mean that the Policy Manual or Release Manager

Bug#207132: debian-policy is missing gcc transition plans

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
d of course that responsibility can be shared with whomever he sees fit (as mutually agreed upon). [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=97671 (scroll down about 25% and start reading). -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debian

Re: Bug#197835: [PROPOSAL]: integrated environments are allowed

2003-06-19 Thread Branden Robinson
ecrotic.deadbeast.net/~branden/toronto/debconf/10.html Colin Walters is on the left. Colin Watson is on the right. -- G. Branden Robinson| Life is what happens to you while Debian GNU/Linux | you're busy making other plans. [EMAIL PROT

Bug#160827: syntax of the maintainer name in the Maintainer: field

2002-12-10 Thread Branden Robinson
Latin1 in these fields. Amen. 7-bit ASCII only. -- G. Branden Robinson| Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux | Biology is really chemistry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Chemistry is really physics. http://people.debian.org/~brand

Re: Virtual packages

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
kage, that could provide or > depend on these virtual packages, has a well known spot to go to to > get the list of established virtual package names. > > I do think we need to re-write the para to state that the list > is merely a registry, of sorts, of established virtual package

Bug#170019: debian-policy: Ambiguity in section 11.7.2 (Configuration files: Location)

2002-11-21 Thread Branden Robinson
es. > > Technically, it's enough to mandate /etc, but suggesting the use of > symlinks from /usr might make life a bit easier for some maintainers who > are aghast at the thought of rewriting upstream to use /etc natively. > *cough*143825*cough* *cough*Patches

Re: CVS branden: Branden

2002-11-20 Thread Branden Robinson
then be restored. This will teach me to listen to someone who is obsessively pedantic over proper usage of SGML tags -- they'll just wander off on some stupid tangent and wax preachy about how they'd pedantically do things if we wen're using SGML. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Bug#169399: handling of additional documentation with doc-base

2002-11-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:56:51AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 07:39:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > b) what severity such bugs should be > > > > I strongly disagree with this. I wrote up an extensive explanation of > &g

Re: Bug#167004: My counter-proposal

2002-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
20. this will solve the > > metacity problem. > > Seconded. I second this as long as people swear to stop bitching at me about what window manager ends up as the default. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson|I'm sorry if the following sounds Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:30:35PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:41:15AM +, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > > I suggest that the following patch be applied to policy in order to > > resolve this issue: > > > > --- policy.sgml.o

Re: Bug#169399: handling of additional documentation with doc-base

2002-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
nal to whether we decide RFC-style must/should/mays are useful. > b) what severity such bugs should be I strongly disagree with this. I wrote up an extensive explanation of why recently: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2002/debian-ctte-200211/msg00027.html -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
ified command, > + interpreting the entirity of the rest of the command > + line as a command to pass straight to exec, in the > + manner that xterm does. > > > > Support the command-line op

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
stinst, live in the same location. [...] > They are not even accessed by the user directly, and certainly > not by emacs. This description unambiguously screams /var/log to me. Clearly your mileage varies. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 06:13:50PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Branden> Well, according to the FHS, you shouldn't be putting variabel data > in > Branden> /usr at all: >

Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:57:43AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Branden> I don't have one any more specific than "somewhere under /var". > Branden> /var/log doesn't wo

Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
aring a comment period, it is customary to announce when it will end. How long do you propose to wait before declaring this proposal non-objectionable? So far I haven't seen any complaints that wouldn't be addressed by Colin Watson's planned update to the man-db package. -- G. Branden

Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-13 Thread Branden Robinson
mething that goes against making less work for the editor. > > I don't think this is a big deal, really, do you? I think now that we have Josip as an editor, he can pick any SGML diffs free of nits. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |

Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-13 Thread Branden Robinson
nd. Unless he wants to delegate the conclusion of this matter to one of the other editors (Julian, Josip, or me). (...ah, this post was worth it just for the wicked grin I had on my face while writing it. :) ) -- G. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus wrote tha

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:17:48AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Branden> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:10:02PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> You can decide not to log for _y

Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
I second the proposal in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. -- G. Branden Robinson|You can have my PGP passphrase when Debian GNU/Linux |you pry it from my cold, dead [EMAIL PROTECTED] |brain. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:10:02PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > You can decide not to log for _your_ package. I certainly am > going to continue to log the compilation for mine. Well, will you consider placing them in a more FHS-friendly location than /usr/share? :) -- G. B

Re: Bug#97671: xutils: why is rstart.real a conffile?

2002-11-11 Thread Branden Robinson
about the bug that I agree that it's a bug, it's been triaged, I'm aware of it, and that I intend to fix it. It's just not a high-priority item. I want to fix it right, which means Imake tweakage. Imake doesn't really know about FHS[2], which is suboptimal. If it did,

Bug#168435: debian-policy: Remove the requirement to install static libraries

2002-11-09 Thread Branden Robinson
est > the inclusion from the maintainer or compile the library his/herself. The user can do all kinds of things for "hisself" [sic]; Debian tries to make such things straightforward. How about a policy proposal that simply clears up the redundancy rather than pursuing a private agend

Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
our policy proposals. (I'd add that I think we should be careful anyway.) -- G. Branden Robinson| The greatest productive force is Debian GNU/Linux | human selfishness. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpAmXrKNctyZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#167004: gnome-wm

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
cause some of the x-display-manager package maintainers in Debian refuse to use /etc/X11/Xsession as the default X session script. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | De minimis non curat lex. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/

Bug#167004: add ewmh-x-window-manager alternative, drop EWMH section from priority, add virtual package ewmh-x-window-manager

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
27;t like this. Please just play with the scoring of EWMH support instead. "Depends: metacity | ewmh-x-window-manager | x-window-manager"? Ugh. -- G. Branden Robinson|I'm sorry if the following sounds Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
reated by debmake or dh_make, or the > + directory /usr/share/doc/man-db/examples. Now weren't you just telling me a couple of weeks ago not to go by man(7) because it documents obsolete constructs? -- G. Branden Robinson|The first

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-10-18 Thread Branden Robinson
Feel free to read what I wrote as "support the -e option as xterm does". j -- G. Branden Robinson| The last Christian died on the Debian GNU/Linux | cross. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~br

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-10-17 Thread Branden Robinson
xterm. Okay, I get it. Yes, clarification is required. I guess we have to mandate that -e be treated as the last x-terminal-emulator option, eh? -- G. Branden Robinson| Never attribute to malice that Debian GNU/Linux | which can be adequately explained [

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-10-16 Thread Branden Robinson
you what your -e option must do for you to be able to call yourself an x-terminal-emulator. -- G. Branden Robinson| Q: How does a Unix guru have sex? Debian GNU/Linux | A: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fsck

Bug#164035: debian-policy: [PROPOSAL] build-dependencies should be satisfied during the clean target

2002-10-09 Thread Branden Robinson
x27; >The `Build-Depends-Indep' and `Build-Conflicts-Indep' fields must >be satisfied when any of the following targets is invoked: > - `build', `build-indep', `binary' and `binary-indep'. > + `build', `bui

Bug#162120: debian-policy: Deletion of configuration files--should it be preserved?

2002-09-24 Thread Branden Robinson
position?" -- G. Branden Robinson| You don't just decide to break Debian GNU/Linux | Kubrick's code of silence and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] | get drawn away from it to a http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | discussi

Re: [RFC] *-rc.d -> rc.d-* transition

2002-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
but if people are going to have a hissy fit about it, then I can abandon that. My preference for "update-init" over "update-rc.d" is much greater than my preference for "init-update" over "update-init". -- G. Branden Robinson|T

Re: Debian LSB Status

2002-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
are welcome. -- G. Branden Robinson| Yesterday upon the stair, Debian GNU/Linux | I met a man who wasn't there. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | He wasn't there again today, http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | I th

Bug#157131: PROPOSAL] Suggest to minimize optimization when DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains "debug"

2002-08-18 Thread Branden Robinson
purports to mandate) that arguing over the relative merits of stepi versus nexti seems insignificant to me. (BTW, someone's mailer is a complete piece of crap. What the F is up with mangling the subject line like that?) -- G. Branden Robinson| You don't just decide to b

Bug#155680: PROPOSAL ] bump priority of window managers which support WMSP

2002-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:43:06PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Well, are we basically in rough consensus about this now? > > Here's an updated patch which just makes the priority increase 20 > instead of 30. I don't object. -- G. Branden Robinson|

Bug#155680: PROPOSAL ] bump priority of window managers which support WMSP

2002-08-07 Thread Branden Robinson
ot;netwm" alternative might actually be the > best approach all around, even if it is a little more complicated. I am tempted to agree. > (I still want to hear what Branden has to say about all of this, too.) I haven't firmly made up my mind yet. Can someone tell me what th

make it official

2002-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
a module for the Dotfile Generator dict-client Any package providing clients for the Dictionary Server I am seeking seconds for this proposal. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If ignorance is bliss, [EMAIL

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
re it's dead in the water. I doubt that providing a description as you suggest will do anything to overcome Mark Brown's opposition to the idea. -- G. Branden Robinson|A committee is a life form with six Debian GNU/Linux |or more legs and no brain.

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
have to be sure that only one "pdf-viewer" is installed at a time; there are precious resources that are monopolized by such tools. We need to be enhancing the user experience in Debian by doing away with these meaningless virtual packages! -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-27 Thread Branden Robinson
> raw sockets would fulfil the role ("It does DHCP if you use the right > commands!"). Perhaps I just don't understand what this package is > intended to achieve? These appear to be equally valid arguments against all other virtual packages in Debian. -- G. Branden Robinso

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 05:09:06PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:21:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Etherconf never invokes anything other than ifup and ifdown. It's ifup > > that has the smarts. I know it already handles dhcp-client and

[epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
ny Linux Systems - http://progeny.com/ "When everyone has to reinvent the wheel, many people invent square wheels." - End forwarded message - -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
d not a reason to object to a dhcp-client virtual package. -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debian GNU/Linux | enemies of truth than lies. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~b

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
cessary for the specification of a virtual package, and I don't think etherconf needs it, either. -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37 068C Progeny Linux Systems | 72E8 0F4

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
ely the interfaces > differ, not of how the dependencies should be handled. So you have no objection to a dhcp-client virtual package, then? -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
s no dependency on any DHCP client. That it did not properly support udhcpc has nothing to do with package dependencies and thus nothing to do with virtual packages. -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6

Re: Bug#154142: etherconf only depends on dhcp-client

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 11:36:58AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:06:34AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > IMO "dhcp-client" should be a virtual package Provided by dhcp3-client, > > udhcpc, and pump. > > I also concur. Does tha

Re: Bug#154142: etherconf only depends on dhcp-client

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
suggest the following: > > Depends: debconf, ifupdown (>= 0.6.4), dhcp-client | dhcp3-client, > libconfhelper-perl > > Is this acceptable, or is there some deep down dependency on > dhcp-client 2.x? IMO "dhcp-client" should be a virtual package Provided by d

Re: Bug#97671: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-22 Thread Branden Robinson
tc.) and the date on the calendar. Due to that, I think it makes more sense for release management by an individual or a small team of people who work together well. The bottom line for me is that it's difficult to achieve consensus on subjective issues. I think our approach to the twin neme

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
at bug if he wants his package to release with Debian. If he doesn't, he can alter the severities of his bugs pretty much at his discretion. There is a lot more discussion of this issue in the logs of Bug #97671. http://bugs.debian.org/97671 N.B.: the above is my recollection of a c

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 03:09:17AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: > I didn't realize that policy compliance was some sort of buddy-boy > system. /me watches comprehension slowly, slowly wash over Clint's countenance... -- G. Branden Robinson| It doesn'

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 02:49:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > If you can't justify a change without reference to policy, then you > shouldn't be suggesting it, !? No more wishlist bugs? -- G. Branden Robinson|I've made up my mind. Don'

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
ct, I don't enjoy the privilege of being able to arbitrarily close, reassign, or downgrade actual, valid bug reports against my package. -- G. Branden Robinson| Q: How does a Unix guru have sex? Debian GNU/Linux | A: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount; [EMAIL P

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-18 Thread Branden Robinson
= shift; exit 1 unless -l $l; $r = readlink $l; exit 1 unless $r; print "$r\n"' $1; } fi Yeah, well, I'll be happy to change this once we have some official Policy, or an offical Best Current Practice statement. I'll let the shell maintainers finish their penis war

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-18 Thread Branden Robinson
to use; I don't care about the latest flamewar that moved it in or out of /usr or */sbin. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux | because you call your mob a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | governmen

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 01:07:23PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Further, /bin/bash is available and provides both type and test as > >> builtins. > > > Bad news for any Debian port that wants to use ash a

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
ntial. At present, it's not even standard. An early-running init script can have its package Depend on netcat, but until Decklin moved nc to /bin, the init script *still* wouldn't work. Therefore, I think we really do have two separate issues here. Essentiality and /usrness. Thi

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 11:37:40PM +0100, Stephen Stafford wrote: > > | On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 03:13:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > | > If you're up to it, however, I would like to challenge you to implement > > | > /usr/bin/tr(1) in /bin/sed(1). I few of

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
the silly /usr thang for once and for > all. I presume this is facetious because A) you mentioned Jeroen ;-) and B) the Hurd's union mounts don't get you around the problem that / will have more or less in it depending on how early in the boot sequence you are. (At least, as I un

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 03:16:12PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:17:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > So why waste everyone's time discussing it rather than just using sed > > > or /bin/sh and getting on with your life? > > Becau

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:20:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 12:35:27PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 02:55:23PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > Anyway, there are already plenty of tools in /bin capable of performing >

Bug#149709: [BUG] section 10.3.3 does not provide enough guidance for package maintainers to use update-rc.d correctly

2002-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.6.1 Severity: normal A couple of points regarding policy 10.3.3 ("Managing the links"): 1) The policy does not mention that if your package changes its runlevels or priority, that "update-rc.d package remove" MUST be called, or update-rc.d will leave the existi

RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
it scripts to determine whether the executables they need exist. Of course, I'm sure you're already aware of this, as you are of <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02540.html>. I'm CCing debian-policy as a means of RFD. I invite your parti

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 11:46:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 04:06:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Let me be perfectly clear: > > > > KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF XFREE86. > > You do realize this is now going to be quoted out of context an

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-26 Thread Branden Robinson
k 600 packages so their maintainer scripts can be made less robust is quite deserving of an unfriendly response. -- G. Branden Robinson| The only way to get rid of a Debian GNU/Linux | temptation is to yield to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-26 Thread Branden Robinson
ny > developer, so the only way i can demonstrate it is doing. Let me be perfectly clear: KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF XFREE86. -- G. Branden Robinson|Somewhere, there is a .sig so funny Debian GNU/Linux |that reading it will cause an [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
osition. It is a hallucination of your fevered mind. -- G. Branden Robinson|There is no housing shortage in Debian GNU/Linux |Lincoln today -- just a rumor that [EMAIL PROTECTED] |is put about by people who have http://people.debian.

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
r/bin/X11/XFree86 if I want, but that doesn't mean that the Debian packaging infrastructure offers to it for me via a debconf question, update-alternatives, or some similar mechanism. -- G. Branden Robinson| The noble soul has reverence for Debian GNU/Linux

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
ld up the woody release over it or anything. We should still pick a path forward for woody + 1. IMO, anyone who uses zsh for /bin/sh is quite insane. ;-) -- G. Branden Robinson| Suffer before God and ye shall be Debian GNU/Linux | redeemed. God lov

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
am far from the only package maintainer who employs this tool. -- G. Branden Robinson| "I came, I saw, she conquered." Debian GNU/Linux | The original Latin seems to have [EMAIL PROTECTED] | been garbled. http://people.debian

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
lude [...] > 2) Amending policy with another /bin/sh exception. That's my preference. Of course, I am hardly unbiased as I pretty consistently and deliberately use command -v in my maintainer scripts. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just

Re: The Serious severity

2002-05-02 Thread Branden Robinson
. Do me a favor and don't make pretensions to humor in the same message where you accuse a person of dishonesty and hypocrisy. These are serious charges and if you want to play Rush Limbaugh or James Carvilla, I'm sure you know where the proper forums for such behavior are. -- G. Brande

Re: The Serious severity

2002-05-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 04:12:09PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Gotcha. Your humor detector is on the blink. Ah, I see. So was the part where you called me a hypocrite a joke or not? -- G. Branden Robinson|A committee is a life form with six Debian GNU/Li

Re: The Serious severity

2002-05-02 Thread Branden Robinson
everity minutes after I signed off to go to bed I don't see how that attitude helps anyone. Surely people do not need your permission to discuss the utility of the "serious" severity? -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian GNU/Linux

Re: The Serious severity

2002-05-02 Thread Branden Robinson
ove that tag and say "tough, it's shipping" 03:40AM| aj: is this consistent with what you understood our consensus to be? 03:40AM| and whatever the policy manual says is actually decoupled from BOTH of these concerns 03:42AM| oh darn, did I lose him?

Bug#139957: period at the end of short description?

2002-03-28 Thread Branden Robinson
you get the idea. Would you want this to end up as: "Description: gNOME-based game; you're an ambulance driver and you've got to keep your patients from arriving at the hospital D.O.A"? The leading "mandatory" capital letter and trailing period are noise, not signal.

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