Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Peter S Galbraith
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an "X" the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is n

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Fedor Zuev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May be user will decide not to use Emacs at all, if he will > know, that Emacs and Manifesto written by the same man. While the core of Emacs was written by RMS, the vast number of add-ons were not. I doubt that they are _all_ in agreement with the F

Re: Can the FSF be corrupted

2003-08-29 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : > > > You argue that RMS is incorruptible? > > I do. > > > I present as a counterargument the GFDL. > > The GFDL did not reached a consensus as the GPL is in the free > software world, sure. > > But I

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-08 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Claus Färber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Branden Robinson schrieb/wrote: > > Yes, though it should be kept in mind that the GPL-incompatibility > > problem remains. We *still* won't be able to drop hunks of these > > manuals into their corresponding programs as on-line documentation, > > unless

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-08 Thread Peter S Galbraith
so force us to declare it non-DFSG-compliant. We can't make an exemption because the license comes from the FSF. -- Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://people.debian.org/~psg GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE 6E68 8170 35FF 799E

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-08 Thread Peter S Galbraith
It's very unlikely that Debian will lower standards. Thanks for your time, -- Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://people.debian.org/~psg GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE 6E68 8170 35FF 799E

Re: getting personalities out of the FSF-Debian argument

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What, specifically are you requesting? > > > > A) That I stop CCing or otherwise mailing RMS with queries or commentary > >on this subject until your efforts have reached a conclusion, or are > >aband

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another one would be from GNU maintainers to release two versions of > their manuals: > - the complete GFDLed one > - a GPLed one where the invariant section are removed If such a version exists. > But I see many reasons against this solu

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The term "heavily affected" is still an exaggeration. In any case, > > the effect is simply due to incompatibility. I posted a long message > > explaining that this sort of thing is a consequence of the existence > > of incompatible

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Claus Färber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith schrieb/wrote: > > Claus Färber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sorry, but that's plain wrong. For a GPL program including an online > >> help viewer or calling an external help viewer, the o

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that the following article explains well why not everybody > agree that texts and softwares require the exact same freedom: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html I quoted from that in a message CC'ed to RMS yesterday, if you recall.

Re: old and new GNU documentation licenses, and the some of the manuals to which they apply

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Claus Färber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith schrieb/wrote: > > Claus Färber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It can be a seperate XML (or whatever) file that's only read by the > >> software. > > > But that's not what h

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-09 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I can't promise I'll remember on every message. > > > > What he's asking for is the list policy default. You know this. If you > > won't fix your mailer, you'll continue to get complaints. :) >

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-11 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Maybe GNU should consider the option to provide its manuals > in two versions, one without philosophical/political/historical > texts, one as the current manuals. > > I considered this possibility in the 1980s, not as a

Re: "Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots" was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Fedor Zuev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > > > I have not yet got the impression that the > >people you name are "free beer zealots". Rather, they seem to be > >"freedom zealots" if anything. Do you have any evidence to support > >your des

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Joe Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Stallman said: > >But there is a difference between the GPL-required text: > >... > > > >And the GFDL-required text: > > > > They are different, but neither of them is really short, so I think the > > practical consequences are more or les

Re: Attribution-ShareAlike License

2003-09-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
27;d, marked as attachment instead of inline and in a > charset that I don't use. I didn't detach it yet. I have no idea why you > made it so difficult for people to read it. Misbehaving email client? I didn't notice. I guess MH-E does a good job displaying stuff. Cool. :-) -- Peter S. Galbraith, MH-E developer

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a separate file in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/copyright, it has to be > included in the derived work itself. > > I'm not sure whether your talking about the files as installed > in a machine, or a distributable package. > > If you mean the distr

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-17 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Brian C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > > The question at hand is whether Debian should accept or reject > > GFDL-covered manuals. The argument for that is that there are many > > such manuals and they would be useful to include, and the DFSG can > > be interpreted to accep

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-19 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you give us an indication as to what the clarified text will look > like, or what restrictions it will contain? [Just so we're all on the > same page with regards to the sections problems.] > > I've decided not to do that. The develop

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-21 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) a tapoté : > > > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > In that sense, there is nothing but software in Debian. > > > > > > But Debian contains essays, logos, and licenses that cannot be > > >

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-21 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 08:32:55PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > But Debian contains essays, logos, and licenses that cannot be > > > modified. These are not programs; are they software?

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-21 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (It is trivial to fix this, if you are not obsessed with unremovable > "Invariant Sections" to the exclusion of all other goals. Add a clause > to the GFDL allowing GPL-conversion, exactly like the clause in the > LGPL. > > This is

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-21 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words: I can live with Donald Knuth issuing a license in the > gray areay between free and non-free. I cannot live with the same thing > coming from the FSF. > > The GFDL is free according to our standards. If you wish > to view

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do not see either why RMS's political essays should be free in the > DFSG-sense either, even when included in a documentation. As someone asked in another thread: Did you really pass P&P ?

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > On Monday 22 September 2003 12:36, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > > My girlfriend photography sitting on my computer is not free > > > software. > > > > Who cares about the licence of your girlfriend photographs ?

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, I think that the question is not really what the DFSG > allows. Because it's pretty clear that the DSFG does not allow GFDLed > documentation with Invariant section. > > The question is: do we think that tolerating this non-DFSG essays in > some GFDLe

Re: There was never a chance of a "GFDL compromise"

2003-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A few weeks ago someone was trying to argue that nobody would do > > this, and that invariant sections were designed to solve a > > nonexistent problem. Now we know the problem is not just > > theoretical. > > No, it's still a t

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If, OTOH, your only goal is to persuade Debian to accept the GFDL > with invariant sections as free enough for inclusion in our > distribution, I don't see that such a discussion could ever bear > fruit without a concrete proposal spell

Re: There was never a chance of a "GFDL compromise"

2003-09-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The GFDL is doing its job by guarding against this. Debian may label > our manuals as "non-free", an appelation I disagree with and will > criticize, but at least it cannot remove them. Sure it can. It can move them to non-free. (Or perhaps you mea

Re: a DFSG/GNU FDL quick reference webpage

2003-09-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have, therefore, updated my FDL webpage: > > http://people.debian.org/~branden/fdl/ Many many many thanks for doing this! Peter

Re: solution to GFDL and DSFG problem

2003-09-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Zedor Fuev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will both consent and interests of users and unoriginal. You > can believe that personally You do not use any more abstract important > cases, this list software is not be counted copyrightable. Please for > the document by European copyright regim

Re: Respect for Upstream Authors and Snippets of Interest

2003-09-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mahesh T. Pai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I became aware of the concepts of free software, Debian, the FSF and > the real meaning of 'free as in freedom' on doing some follow up > reading after coming across other files in this very same directory > (while using another distro). According to the

Re: Using portions of GNU Manuals in other manuals

2003-09-28 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:22, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Interesting. Do you think this may be an intended consequence? > > I have no reason to believe so. Hopefully in a day or two, RMS will > clarify (to me at least). > > > It would certainly se

Re: GFDL definition of "Modified Version"

2003-09-29 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Joe Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From section 1 of the GFDL: > A "Modified Version" of the Document means any work > containing the Document or a portion of it, either copied > verbatim, or with modifications and/or translated into > another language. > > Would emacs20_2

Re: snippets

2003-09-29 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are the advantages of keeping them? > > - The time and effort that would be spent on locating and removing them > and maintaining a repackaged source archive can instead be spent on > writing code and fixing bugs. > - We maintain better relations

Re: GFDL

2003-09-30 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) a tapoté : > > > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > If you want to criticize the FSF based on things you can imagine we > > > might do, I am sure you can imagine no end of nasty possibilities. >

Re: GFDL

2003-09-30 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Fedor Zuev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > > >> > >> - Several persons of Debian stated on that list that they would drop > >> any political text of GNU in GNU packages they may maintain. > > >Mathieu, you're lying. Provide citations of any Debi

Re: RFC: GPL plus securities industry disclaimer suitable for main?

2003-10-03 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have trouble with the OpenSCO sourcecode, because I have programmed > in 1988-1991 and uploaded some progs ans sourcecodes to a BBS in München. > > The Binary and Sourcecode (for DOS) was in the Public Domain and for > educational only, not for c

Re: Bug#212895: Official Logo is not DFSG Free (with patch)

2003-10-03 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please keep the Cc: on any replies. > > When originally written, it was intented that the DFSG apply to the > > entire content of main.[1] We have (to my knowledge) consistently > > interpreted it this way. > > For documentation I can still understand

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Brian T. Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 2003-10-13 19:58:58 +0100 Brian T. Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Alice distributes a program, under the GPL, and a documentation > >> package for that program under the GFDL. Because she is the co

Re: Is `ilisp' DFSG free?

2000-05-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> Please advise. I am not subscribed, so Cc. > > Is this licence (from ilisp 5.10.1) DFSG free? > > > COPYING -- TERMS AND LICENSING AGREEMENT FOR ILISP > - [cut] > ILISP if freely redistributable. Eventually it may

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I agree it's all a troll, even trying to start another KDE licensing flame war. I too emailed him a sensible reply and got nothing back. I'll ignore him now. Joey Hess wrote: > Raul Miller wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 01:18:12AM -0500, Paul Serice wrote: > > > This is not some random quo

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
It was more than a day, during which you posted to -devel. Paul Serice wrote: > Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > I agree it's all a troll, even trying to start another KDE > > licensing flame war. I too emailed him a sensible reply and got > > nothing back

Re: GNU License and Computer Break Ins

2000-05-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I should have read all the list before replying... Paul Serice wrote: > Paul Serice wrote: > > > > You don't give me much time to reply. > > I take that back. It just got lost in incoming.

Re: When will KDE and Debian get together?

2000-05-30 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"Alan W. Irwin" wrote: > On Sun, 28 May 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > > KDE, in source form or not, cannot be an official part of Debian until > > its license problems are resolved. Source is great, but you have to be > > ale to leagally build it, link it against the required libraires, use it, > >

Re: complete clone of the debian website

2000-05-31 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Joey Hess wrote: > http://www.491.org/projets/api/ > > Shocking. Also see their license link at the bottom! http://www.491.org/projets/api/license.html : License : : Copyright © 1997-1998 Application Programming Interface (API_France) : 06 rue des Petits Hôtels : 75010 Paris

Re: complete clone of the debian website

2000-05-31 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Andrew Weiss wrote: > So can we forward Debian's license page to them and demand removal? At least the respect of the license (probably refer back to the original and use the same license; they can't really decide to copy our stuff and change the license in it!) > What exactly can be done about

Re: complete clone of the debian website

2000-05-31 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> And doesn't their use of the Debian logo break the license? I'd say yes. The logo license says: : Debian Open Use Logo License : : Copyright (c) 1999 Software in the Public Interest : : This logo or a modified version may be used by anyone to refer to : the Debian project, but does not indi

Re: Fwd: Libranet (Debian derivate) requires $10 membership

2000-07-10 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Bruce J. Perens wrote: >---> Quote from http://www.libranet.com/download.html <--- > If, after installing Libranet, you decide to keep it, then you > must become a member. [ ... ] You become a part of the rapidly > growing Libranet community. The cost of membership is only > us$10.00. Worse tha

Re: Are GPLed .gifs legal at all ???

2000-07-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: > I found that > 60 packages in Debian have .gifs included. > > I will probably fill wishlist bugs against them all unless > someone oppose this. > > Is it legal at all to distribute GPL'ed .gifs at all ? It's my understanding that the lzw compression usually used in

Re: Advice on licensing terms

2000-07-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Rafael Laboissiere wrote: > I am considering to package for Debian a library whose licensing conditions > are the following: > > This software is free for non-commercial use. Implying it isn't for commercial use. It's not DFSG compliant. >

Re: QT Designer _NOT_ under QPL.

2000-08-11 Thread Peter S Galbraith
This was on the kde-licensing mailing list two days ago. Just FYI. Peter --- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:33:29 -0500 From: mosfet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: QT Designer _NOT_ under QPL. Kevin Forge wrote: > > There is an

Re: QT Designer _NOT_ under QPL.

2000-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Joseph Carter wrote: > Troll Tech clearly does have the ability to grant implicit permission for > their code and anyone on this list should concede that this software has > no legal problems. Huh? Here you say it doesn't have problems... > Will it make it into Debian? No

Re: QT Designer _NOT_ under QPL.

2000-08-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Joseph Carter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 02:09:57PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > Troll Tech clearly does have the ability to grant implicit permission for > > > their code and anyone on this list should concede that this software has > > > no legal

Re: QT Designer _NOT_ under QPL.

2000-08-17 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Joseph Carter wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 09:18:45AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > The way I'm reading what you wrote is like so: > > > > - Troll Tech releasing GPLed code that links to Qt is legal > > (because implicit permission is granted). >

Re: Another free IMAPD?

2000-08-18 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Colin Watson wrote: > >RMS asked about other free-software IMAP servers. Cyrus isn't one, but > >acording to one of their lawyers... their intents match the GNU GPL > > I don't see how. The GPL seeks to restrict proprietary use to keep the > software free, while, according to the lawyer you

Re: Another free IMAPD?

2000-08-18 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Peter S Galbraith > > Colin Watson wrote: > > > > >acording to one of their lawyers... their intents match the GNU GPL > > > > the Cyrus licence seeks to restrict commercial use to let them make more > > >

Re: Another free IMAPD?

2000-08-18 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Peter S Galbraith > > Henning Makholm wrote: > > > Scripsit Peter S Galbraith > > > > Colin Watson wrote: > > > > > > the Cyrus licence seeks to restrict commercial use to let them make m > ore >

Re: Chemical modelling software

2000-08-21 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Drew Parsons wrote: > - viewmol (ftp://ccl.osc.edu/pub/chemistry/software/SOURCES/C/viewmol/) > > viewmol supplies source which compiles (and also an rpm, which > segfaulted under potato). The copyright statement inside their > documentation indicates that "Permission to use, copy, and > distrib

Re: Free Pine?

2000-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > That to me says Debian has permission to re-distribute our modified > > version, but that people who recieve it from us do not, unless they > > too ask permission ("We do expect and appreciate..."). Non-free

Re: Irony of RSA Encryption

2000-09-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Paul Serice wrote: > It's easy for GPL supporters to say that software patents are one of > the biggest threats to free software in the middle of the exclusionary > period. It's like all the reports in the middle of summer complaining > about global warming. I have never heard and probably neve

Re: Steelblue license

2000-10-31 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" wrote: > > The question is, does the below meet the DFSG? Particularly since it > > is: > > 2. Requires you to give them the source (although it does say > > "please" at the site listed, so "requires" may be a bit harsh). > > This is ok, it essentially states what the GPL

Is there a free license which prohibits commercial derived works?

2001-03-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
http://www.debian.org/intro/free says: : Authors of free software on the other hand are generally looking : for some combination of the following: : : - Not allowing use of their code in commercial software. Since :they are releasing the code for others to use without any :profit to t

Re: Is there a free license which prohibits commercial derived works?

2001-03-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > So they want to disallow commercial use or circulation of derived > > works. Our `What is free software' web page appears to say > > that's okay, but this license fails the DS

Re: Is there a free license which prohibits commercial derived works?

2001-03-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Jeffry Smith wrote: > Check DFSG "Fields of Endeavor" clause. Basically, no, there isn't a DFSG > compatible license that prohibits commercial derived works, because DFSG > specifically prevents this. Remember, commercial does NOT equal > proprietary. I know. But http://www.debian.org/intr

Re: Is there a free license which prohibits commercial derived works?

2001-03-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Thank you all for your patience with my poor choice of words... Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Peter S Galbraith > > > Okay, let me rephrase. Commercial use of the software is allowed > > by scilab, but they want to limit the ability of making derived > > comme

Re: Is Scilab DSFG free, now ?

2001-04-03 Thread Peter S Galbraith
of this > licence. [Oups. Forgot to send to the list.] It falls short on a few points. Here's what I emailed them last week, but I haven't heard back from them. Peter -cut- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Making Scilab free (

Re: Making Scilab free (as in speech) software

2001-04-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Just had a reply from a Scilab author, and this is what I replied back. He gave me permission to post it here. Peter --- Forwarded Message From: Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Making Scilab free (as in speech) software In-reply-to: (Your m

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > We could get the cited "prior written permission", but if that > > permission applies only to Debian then I think we run into DFSG > > clause 8, "License must not be specific to Debian". > > I don't think so. I think D

Re: LinuxLand's strange copyright notices

2001-04-10 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I know for books, the copyright on the collection as a whole (including > > cover art, etc) is separate from the copyright on the individual stories. > > I assume this is similar. > > This is true, and related to the case. But the copyright on t

ditigising a map for a free data set.

2001-10-01 Thread Peter S Galbraith
If I use a nautical chart and digitise the coastline to some degree of precision, can I then slap my own (free) license on the data set? Or is that a partial `reproduction' that falls under the original's chart copyright? If getting the lat and lon of the coastline is considered a partial reprod

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson wrote: > What part of "Free Software" don't you understand? > > If we distribute it, it's software. > > If it's not software (or willing to be treated as such), it's not our > mission to distribute it. Oh give me a break. Where was this argument in the past when we discussed

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 10:16:03AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > I guess these are all software then: > > > > debian-guide - Text from: Debian GNU/Linux: Guide to Installation and > Usage > > dwarfs-debian-guide - Dwarf's g

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Aaron Lehmann wrote: > Is it even legal for elisp code to have a GPL-incompatible license? > Any elisp code uses the emacs builtin functions extensively. These are > protected by the GPL. The concept of linking gets very blurry here, > too. Good question. I never thought of that. Most lines of

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:16:19AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Raul, why are you so quick to dismiss this? You state it like it > > was a matter of fact. Is this documented anywhere? > > I didn't dismiss it. I guess I mi

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > If any non-trivial code makes a call to an Emacs function, even > > say 'buffer-substring', then do we consider that loaded code a > > GPL'ed library? I gue

Re: Bug#118427: TP: epo -- Miner mode to reduce the labour to edit code

2001-11-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Raul Miller wrote: > Wrong side of the interface. Of course the implementation of > buffer-substring is copyrightable. > > However, is the code that calls it copyrightable? That's essentially > what you were asking about in the question I was answering. Here's what I meant: minor-mode foobar

Re: Debian Package for Phylip

2001-11-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith
The GPL does allow any company to take GPL'ed code and make a commercial product derived from it. Note that I said commercial product, not proprietary. To respect the license, they would have to distribute the source code of their derived products along with any binary they sell, and they would

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-11 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> > It sounds similar to the mandatory "Powered by Zope" button that was > > kicked around by the Zope guys but ultimately rejected as non-free. > > Uh? I don't see that either. There no requirement for use, only for distribution. But is it non-free anyway? I don't know. > The text

Re: Change in ispell's copyright -> nonfree?

2001-12-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:54:18AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > But I think including the URL in the package description would satisfy > > the license. > > Are we to permit licensors to dictate to us the precise contents of our > package descriptions? Sh

Re: license requirements for a book to be in free section

2002-01-23 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> They also told me that they don't want to allow the commercial > distribution of the book, anyway again in their opinion this doesn't > violate the DFSG. As someone who has packaged documentation before, I'm surprised that Debian would agree with this. It's clearly non-free for software, and I

Re: license requirements for a book to be in free section

2002-01-23 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:50:06AM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > They also told me that they don't want to allow the commercial > > > distribution of the book, anyway again in their opinion this doesn't > > > violate the DFSG. > > > &

Re: license requirements for a book to be in free section

2002-01-29 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> > So far, we have generally chosen to interpret the aggregation clause > > *very* strictly, as requiring even trivial aggregations to be > > permitted. The license should also be neutral about the medium it is > > distributed on. > > Well, why not simply drop this clause, if it can be circumven

Re: after a long thread and a clarification with O'Reilly ...

2002-01-31 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:47:19AM +0100, Sven wrote: > > > > But the content of the debian package is obtained from the website. > > > (IIRC the source of the book is not available). > > > The copyright notice of the debian package is related to what has > > > been downloaded isn't? No

Re: license requirements for a book to be in free section

2002-01-31 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> Well, we should at least the say that we consider documentation as being > software, This is a central point. Some have argued that the DFSG doesn't apply to documentation, others have argued that it's all we have to go on for now. That's what I'll do here. > > Let me try the following: s/pr

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "TB" == Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> A. > >> [...] > >> You are NOT ALLOWED to take money for the distribution or > >> use of this file or modified versions or fragments thereof, > >> except for a nominal charge f

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Looks like words lifted from the Artistic license ( "Reasonable copying > > fee" is whatever you can justify on the basis of media cost, duplication >

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > which sounds like the Artistic license's > > > > "Reasonable copying fee" is whatever you can justify on the basis of > > media cost, duplication charges, time of people i

Re: New CUPS license violates DFSG 6?

2002-05-14 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> Previously Peter Makholm wrote: > > I think there are consensus for allowing positive discrimination. > > There is? That would be a mighty slippery slope. > > Wichert. It's been discussed before, but I couldn't point you to a thread. It's okay to license something under the GPL for everybody

Re: Implied exceptions to GPL?

2002-05-17 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 01:16, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 12:44:55AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > > > On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 00:30, Brian May wrote: > > > > 2. If you wrote and released the program under the GPL, and you designe > d > > > > it specifically to work with those fa

Re: Licesing question regarding a new package named isdn2h323

2002-06-14 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 03:40:18PM +0200, Marco Budde wrote: > > Branden Robinson schrieb: > > > Section 6 of the GNU > > > GPL will apply to Debian and if your license makes it impossible for > us > > > to comply with it, as it does, then we will

Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia

2002-07-18 Thread Peter S Galbraith
A short two cents from a user... Boris Veytsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (1) The intersection of those interested in LaTeX and those > > seriously interested in Debian is almost empty, I imagine. I'm a LaTeX user and Debian developer. > > (2

Re: GPL-script to be run on a non-free interpreter

2002-08-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Ralf Treinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone point me to examples of such exception clauses to GPL? > > -Ralf. Not exactly the same case, but xwatch is GPLed and has an exemption clause to link to a non-free library. The add-on is the third paragraph below: XWatch - a tool to monitor

Re: Advice on copyright for cdf

2002-08-06 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Mikael Hedin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Please cc me on replies] > > Hi, > > I'm packaging tela, and the newest version uses cdf[1] (from nasa). > The cdf copyright[2] is basically 'only non-profit'. However, there > is a line about inclusion in substantive product allowint for profit. > >

Re: Bug#143063 acknowledged by developer (Bug#143063: fixed in mmix 1:0.0.20020615-3)

2002-10-03 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for adopting the package. However, I really do not understand > how it conflicts with point four: > > DFSG point four: > > 4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code > > The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modifi

Re: license questions.

2002-10-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Ali Akcaagac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm writing some software for linux and right now fighting with what > license i should use. > i don't like the idea to work for free > knowing in the back that some companies can take the stuff and sell it > for their own

Re: license questions.

2002-10-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Ali Akcaagac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 17:55, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > well i don't have any problems releasing the sourcecode. > > > > That shows that you have not understood "Open Source". Open source is > > not just about releasing source code. It's also about allo

Re: license questions.

2002-10-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Ali Akcaagac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >people > like you are not worth the effort of writing any software. Re-email my messages. They were not impolite. >something > tha

Re: Bug#169243: ilisp: Is it even distributable?

2002-11-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Kevin Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks for message. I've forwarded your message to ilisp-devel for > their consideration as well as debian-legal. ILISP has been an > important part of Lisp development for many years, so it is essential > to clarify the issue completely. >

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