rce with binaries (or took advantage of a
written offer for sources if provided). If you chose not to, that's your
choice, and the consequences of that choice are yours as well.
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ink it is that bad yet.
I fully agree that an established license is generally a good idea. However,
there are situations where you really want a oneliner; the one I gave is the
best one I've been able to devise (or seen written by others), and is
unambiguous to anyone who knows the re
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:05:51PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote:
> As I said, the laws *do* use that term...
My mistake, sorry. Still, the main point stands.
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ing
phrases they don't use. This one is probably not defined because the laws do
not
actually need to use the phrase. Aside from some people incorrectly using
"public domain" as a synonym for "shareware" (and similar misuses), I am not
aware of any serious dispute as
may treat this file as if it
were in the public domain."
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On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:37:33AM +0100, Olive wrote:
> Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:01:18PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
>>> Seriously, does the FSF expect everyone who would modify a GPL-ed work or
>>> create a derivative work
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:16:55AM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Is it a kind of "algorithm copyright"?
> >
> > No.
>
> In some countries there is. They call it a patent.
A paten
annot say.
> Is it a kind of "algorithm copyright"?
No.
IANAL etc
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meone else at trial to be legally trained. The title "asianajaja" (one of
the Finnish terms referring to a lawyer) is also legally restricted to only
members of the bar association.
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They don't need to say anything, as this is the normal state of affairs.
> 5) Is it *advisable* to use such a terminology in a copyright statement
> in a file licensed under the GPL?
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On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:38:28PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
> So I can simply avoid using either (C) or © and thus avoid this whole
> problem?
Sorry, I misread your question originally. You can drop the word Copyright,
but you cannot drop the copyright symbol, if you care about UCC compli
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 12:14:31PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
> it is incorrect to use (C) in place of the symbol © which is the strict
> copyright symbol. Is this so? If yes, why?
IANAL etc.
The formal copyright notice is required in some (very few) countries for a
foreign work to get copy
MJ Ray wrote:
>> 2) Is the license DFSG-free?
>
> This question is nonsense, as already mentioned (software not licences -
> see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/licences.html ).
Well then, rephrase this as "Assuming that the license under discussion is
the only license applying for this softw
Don Armstrong wrote:
> This may be what he's asking, but if so, it's the wrong question.
Just to make it clear. The questions I am interested in are:
1) Does this license allow me to treat the package as licensed under the
plain GPL in terms of what I am allowed to do?
1b) If I were to package
Don Armstrong wrote:
> Since (or assuming) it actually is GPLed, you can totally ignore the
> clickwrap. Simply arrange[1] to have the code distributed to you
> simply under the terms of the GPL. [If it's not possible to ignore the
> clickwrap entirely, then it's not actually GPLed.]
Well, if I ca
Is the following license, displayed as a precondition for downloading the
software, DFSG-free? (Specifically, are there any traps in it that I am
not seeing?)
(NB. This "links" is a programming language implementation, not a version
of the web browser by the same name.)
License Agreement
In do
ment's decision was refusal to
clarify it in a way that we find bad). The situation, therefore, is
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On 20050606T165853-0400, Jeff King wrote:
> So what's wrong with a license like:
> You may do anything with this work that you would with a work in the
> public domain.
I have occasionally used the following notice:
Written by Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho. You may treat this
Usually, you choose your license without invariant
> sections. So the FDL
> with this addendum should be fully ok for Debian.
It's not.
A good summary of the issues is at
http://people.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml
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are, purge
> the distribution of what you deem impure, and in general ignore any
> opinions that don't agree with yours.
I still find this very insulting and very unfounded. I demand you
support these accusations with hard evidence.
> it is because of zealots like you every revolution f
nothing about the unfoundedness of the rest of your mail.)
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De
t; statement.
You are completely missing the camp that says that documentation is
software:
Documents under the GFDL are software and hence must be judged by the
standard set by the DFSG.
(There are similar variants here as in what you discussed.)
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in the thread); do you really
think that is a way of saying that "the social contract was not adopted
until 1997"?
If you think that a GNU document is the raison d'être of Debian, don't
you think that place belongs to the GNU manifesto? (Note that I don't
think it belong
also all documentation about the development process, user
documentation, internal documentation, data files required by the
program (not input but for example UnicodeData.txt) and in general all
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binaries (offering them for download in the same place as the
binaries is explicitly sufficient).
> So, again, "Where are the sources of emacs 1.0"?
Was there an Emacs 1.0? :-)
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. The blank CD-Rs would be the "cost of physically performing
> source distribution".
Yes. Do they bundle a written offer to do this, valid for at least
three years?
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nonfree is far more
effective than such an added section. Look at the publicity our stance
against KDE used to generate when it had its license problem.
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On 20030126T194352-0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 10:57:01PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > As far as I know, public-domain software does not exist.
>
> Nonsense.
>From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
nonsense
adj : having no intelligible
not prohibit a license from
> requiring a specific form of affirmative assent known as click-wrap.
I have a vague memory of such licenses been deemed non-DFSG-compliant in
the past, but I don't have references.
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don't distribute it - the program sources include the generation script
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question. Who is right, Jim or Jill? I think it's a really
> important question, too. I shall explain why.
I see your point. My initial answer would be that Jim is right,
assuming that the offer is properly dated (as it should be). But this
does not address the problem.
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. (Unless the copyright holder never finds out or just
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> Or a written offer, good for three years.
Yes, and that's a greater nuisance IMO.
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> Um, no, TeX has a perfectly clear license.
Would you please give a reference to it?
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at it, which was a year
or two ago. I'd be delighted if someone could show I'm wrong about
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definition of "free"
from the FSF's. Careful reading of both has shown for a long time that
the definitions are not equivalent although they are close.
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On 20010207T105435+0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> I wonder, though, what happens if we take the advertising clause
> at face value:
That's not the advertising clause (fortunately) :-)
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nse when compared with GPL or BSD.
The MIT license is essentially a better worded version of the BSD license
without the advertising clause.
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Hypertekstivisionääri Ted Nelson luennoi
ENCE OR
OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THIS SOFTWARE OR THE DOCUMENTATION.
8<--
I'm especially concerned about the second paragraph: distribution is
only allowed for a given purpose.
Thoughts?
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I'm especially concerned about the second paragraph: distribution is
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Thoughts?
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So it seems the DFSG is (at least) dual-licensed.
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So it seems the DFSG is (at least) dual-licensed.
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> > me debug it.
You should add language that explicitly allows anyone to revert to plain
GPL (to allow adding code from your project to plain-GPL projects).
See the Guile exception clause for an example.
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> > me debug it.
You should add language that explicitly allows anyone to revert to plain
GPL (to allow adding code from your project to plain-GPL projects).
See the Guile exception clause for an example.
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On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 01:56:07PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Joey Hess wrote:
> > http://www.491.org/projets/api/
>
> Nice. Time to write them a letter I guess. How about something like this:
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On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 10:56:44AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> as Jutta pointed out
Who?
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New contact information on the home page
allman, BTW.
> "I do that. I do that. I'll let anybody borrow and copy my records and
> tapes."
Under the Finnish copyright law, that is actually legal, so long as the
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common, but then again, if it were common licenses,
> I'm guessing that the Microsoft EULA should be listed
How commonly is the Microsoft EULA used as a license in the Debian
distribution?
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ything else, and it is either sold, or
transferred to heirs or debtors. It does not cease to exist (if it did,
then there would be no copyright and hence the work would be in the PD).
IANAL, and I know very little of law outside Finland.
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 03:13:22PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 08:09:41PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > What if it's distributed with neither of them, and it just
> > "build-depends" on the readline API?
>
> That sounds l
;s pretty
> obvious that there's an issue. If the program is being distributed with
> both, then it comes down to which the program is configured to use.
What if it's distributed with neither of them, and it just "build-depends"
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#x27;s Rich Salz's editline. The latter implements only a subset of
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nd many awful ones too).
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pages the result took. (Well, the projects I have been involved in were
nonfiction but nevertheless...)
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ng that Fair
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u are not
> given permission to do so.
Not true. The GPL *explicitly* allows all use. Fair use is not even
near the issue.
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On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 12:19:12AM -0800, Joseph Carter wrote:
> Nope, this is fine. Use is covered by the Fair Use provision of Copyright
> law. The fonts are free.
Is this the n+1th abuse of Fair Use, or do you actually have some
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a backup copy, and clause 3 deals with
the right to observe how the program works to determine the methods
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translated by me as:
"He or she who has legally obtained a computer program may make those
copies of or changes to the program that are necessary for using the
program for the intended purpose. This includes the right to fix defects
in it."
(Apparently this right can be revoke
an't find on the VMware site any permission to distribute anything,
so that'll give us only the option of an installer. Of course, you
could mail them and ask for distribution permission - if you get it,
this would be enough to allow it to go to non-free.
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y allowed.
This is almost a FAQ already...
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And what about the binaries?
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On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 10:14:15AM +, Mike Goldman wrote:
> I don't think the license is a problem anyhow, here's my analyis.
... which does not address the two specific points I raised in my
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y is supposed to use
change files instead of changing the files.)
The author has tried his best to produce correct and useful programs,
in order to help promote computer science research,
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eeping track of the Finnish copyright law, his work
is at http://www.hut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/tekl.html , in Finnish.
There is a slightly outdated unofficial English translation at
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readers to have to pay to log onto the online services with the
story or buy a copy of the paper? The former is probably fair
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If you have to guess, always guess the worst.
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asters - will
move haskell-doc to main, based on input I got on IRC. (Actually,
it seems upstream will change the license for the specs but I don't
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> 2. The source code of the version of "libqt" used is
Are these point 1 and 2 conjunctive or disjunctive (ie. are they ANDed
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together by Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
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of documentation. The sources for the collection was downloaded from
ftp://ftp.jyu.fi/private/antkaij/haskell-doc/>.
Here is an excerpt from upstream README:
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The fol
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hat
running the two as separate processes, with a clean, well-defined general
interface between them, justifies the view that they are two separate
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tex then the LPPL has no
> jurisdiction there..
Wrong. teTeX is a software distribution like Debian. Does the GPL not have
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The FAQ is your friend.
Trust the FAQ.
se a license as confused as
this one.
BTW, this is becoming a frequently rehashed topic. Anyone care to
assemble a FAQ?
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t is OK. Certainly Mozilla and TeX are free
software (although I personally would tell people not to use either
license, but that's just me).
BTW, TeX is not in the public domain. Its license is quite hard to
decipher, although it is generally considered free.
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nd fitness, in no
event shall ISSCO be liable for any special, indirect or consequential
damages or any damages whatsoever, action of contract, negligence or other
tortious action, arising out of or in connection with the use or
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This looks like a kind of postcardware. Are we really obligated to send
Stanford thousands of copies of the source? If yes, then we cannot
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language is not English, like me;
for example, it took several passes for me to even parse the first
clause.
Antti-Juhani
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gt; http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn.html
It looks OK to me. However, license issues belong to debian-legal, not
debian-mentors, so I'm crossposting.
Antti-Juhani
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