On 06.03.25 11:25, Helmut Grohne wrote:
onger term, it shall become possible to install Debian in such a way that the
entire installation
lives below /usr (though it will not be possible to upgrade such an
installation due to the lack of /var/lib/dpkg in the initial
implementation).
My "build
Hello,
On Thu 06 Mar 2025 at 01:54pm +01, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> * I have learned (thanks @roehling) that the *actual* median time packages
> spend in NEW is less than two days. In other words, *somebody* must have
> *some* time available.
It is almost entirely Thorsten.
> My personal sug
On 08.03.25 21:09, Simon Josefsson wrote:
I read this outcome as fairly clear message that, no, Debian does not
want to provide a second set of installer images, and is not interested
in contributions to make them.
Another way to look at this outcome, and the one I personally prefer by
a wide
Ansgar 🙀 writes:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 2025-03-09 at 14:19 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>> Our experience seems to differ, I now run Trisquel and Guix on many of
>> my home and machines and servers. For my uses they all work without
>> non-free firmware. You have to be careful about what hardware
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Ansgar 🙀 writes:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 2025-03-09 at 15:58 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>> Ansgar 🙀 writes:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Sun, 2025-03-09 at 14:19 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>> > > Our experience seems to differ, I now run Trisquel and Guix on many of
>> > > my home and machines and
On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 03:40:37PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Installing using the Debian installer doesn't *require* you to carry on
with the firmware. You can readily remove it - especially if you use the
expert install - you are not required to enable the repository in your
/etc/apt/sourc
Hi,
On Sun, 2025-03-09 at 15:58 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Ansgar 🙀 writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, 2025-03-09 at 14:19 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > > Our experience seems to differ, I now run Trisquel and Guix on many of
> > > my home and machines and servers. For my uses they all
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 03:58:59PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. However none of that hardware require me to load non-free
>> firmware from my operating system, which is my point. That situation is
>> sufficient for me to accept to use the hardware a
On Mar 09, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> My "build me a Debian image" script has been doing that for two years now,
> simply by moving /var/lib/dpkg to /usr/state/dpkg and bind-mounting it back
> onto /var/lib/dpkg (symlinking won't work).
How so? My /var/lib/dpkg has been a symlink for a very long t
On Fri, 2025-03-07 at 09:51 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> I have prepared a stub for a "Gateway to NEW" on Salsa:
>
> https://salsa.debian.org/newgateway-team
I've got a couple of questions:
Am I correct in assuming that each package to be reviewed will be an
issue under the "reviews" repo (
Sean Whitton writes:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun 09 Mar 2025 at 12:17pm +01, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> Sean Whitton writes:
>>
>>> The docs are public: https://salsa.debian.org/ftp-team/manpages
>>
>> Those are helpful even for me as uploading packages to NEW! I wish I
>> had read them before.
>
> Mm
At 2025-03-09T19:32:32+0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> On Sun 09 Mar 2025 at 12:17pm +01, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Sean Whitton writes:
> >> The docs are public: https://salsa.debian.org/ftp-team/manpages
> > Those are helpful even for me as uploading packages to NEW! I wish
> > I had read them bef
Hello,
On Sun 09 Mar 2025 at 12:38pm +01, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> What should I do if NEW+unstable becomes uninstallable during the NEW
> review period?
>
> Do you want maintainers to re-upload a newly built binary? I've never
> done that, but doing so would make sense if you really want mainta
On Sun, 09 Mar 2025 at 19:32:32 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
IMO it is the maintainer's responsibility to ensure that NEW+unstable
together is always all installable, if you see what I mean.
Do I assume correctly that this principle can be weakened for
experimental-NEW?
As a general principle
Hi,
On Sun, 2025-03-09 at 14:19 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Our experience seems to differ, I now run Trisquel and Guix on many of
> my home and machines and servers. For my uses they all work without
> non-free firmware. You have to be careful about what hardware you buy,
> and chose your u
Hello,
On Sun 09 Mar 2025 at 12:17pm +01, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Sean Whitton writes:
>
>> The docs are public: https://salsa.debian.org/ftp-team/manpages
>
> Those are helpful even for me as uploading packages to NEW! I wish I
> had read them before.
Mmm. They sat private access only for t
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Hi,
Thank you Timo for these statistics.
Le 2025-03-09 00:17, Timo Röhling a écrit :
from September 2012 [1] until January 2025:
Over that period we get a 15.3% reject rate (nearly 1 in 6) for
non-binNEW (6.6% for binNew, about 1 in 16) which is significant. The
fact that the decision delay
Hi,
Le 2025-03-09 06:08, Sean Whitton a écrit :
Just to note that per the FTP team docs[1] we perform a full copyright
and license review even if it's just a SONAME bump. I do not think we
should be doing this, but it's the team policy.
It makes sense in a way, as it makes the process more c
Hi,
Le 2025-03-09 00:23, Philip Hands a écrit :
From my reading of this thread, the only real consensus seems to be
that
format=flowed is a good idea (as a result of which I intend to persuade
my mail setup to generate that when I've got a moment).
I doubt that a GR is justified, especially
Sean Whitton writes:
>> My personal suggestion would be to work with one or two volunteers to write a
>> somewhat-comprehensive how-to-ftpmaster-the-NEW-queue manual, so that the
>> *next* time you have a bottleneck you can throw that document at the
>> volunteer
>> and say "here's ten example p
Matthias Urlichs writes:
> On 08.03.25 21:09, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>> I read this outcome as fairly clear message that, no, Debian does not
>> want to provide a second set of installer images, and is not interested
>> in contributions to make them.
>
> Another way to look at this outcome, and t
On 2025-03-09 Soren Stoutner wrote:
> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
[...]
> > You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus
> > in favour of your idea.
> Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor
> of maki
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Hello Michel,
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:37:06PM -0600, Michel Lind wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 04:26:12PM -0600, Michel Lind wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 03:21:04PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > > Michel,
> > >
> > > On Thursday, February 13, 2025 2:36:26 PM MST Michel
Soren Stoutner writes:
> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
>> Soren Stoutner writes:
>> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.
>> >
>> > One way to do so would be a GR. On one hand, using a GR to modify one line
>> > of the cod
On 2025-03-09 at 17:13, Philip Hands wrote:
> Soren Stoutner writes:
>
>> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
>>> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging
>>> consensus in favour of your idea.
>>
>> Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian D
On 2025-03-09 14:13, Philip Hands wrote:
Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread,
this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that
I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so
please forgive me and correct my mistake)
Le Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:13:51PM +0100, Philip Hands a écrit :
>
> Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread,
> this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that
> I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so
> please forg
On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 01:32:47PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Another way to look at this outcome, and the one I personally prefer
by a wide margin, is that it'd be very cool to have them, but at this
time their utility is … questionable, given that I personally own zero
(out of umpteen) co
Quoting Philip Hands (2025-03-09 22:13:51)
> Soren Stoutner writes:
>
> > On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
> >> Soren Stoutner writes:
> >> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a
> >> > decision.
> >> >
> >> > One way to do so would be
On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:13:51PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> Soren Stoutner writes:
> > On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
> >> Soren Stoutner writes:
> >> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a
> >> > decision.
> >> >
> >> > One way to
Hi Breno,
On Sun, Mar 9, 2025, at 12:29 PM, Breno Leitao wrote:
> Hello Michel,
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:37:06PM -0600, Michel Lind wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 04:26:12PM -0600, Michel Lind wrote:
>> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 03:21:04PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
>> >
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