Quoting Philip Hands (2025-03-09 22:13:51) > Soren Stoutner <so...@debian.org> writes: > > > On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote: > >> Soren Stoutner <so...@debian.org> writes: > >> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a > >> > decision. > >> > > >> > One way to do so would be a GR. On one hand, using a GR to modify one > >> > line > >> > of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large > >> > hammer > >> > for a rather small problem. But on the other hand, many people feel > >> > strongly > >> > enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will > >> > feel like the outcome is fair. > >> > > >> > My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be > >> > preferable to a GR to decide this issue? > >> > >> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus > >> in favour of your idea. > > > > Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor > > of making the > > change that I propose, partially based on the number of people who have > > commented > > only once in the conversation with a short message in favor of the change. > > OK, so that provoked me to check if it's my input filter that's > defective, or yours. > > Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread, > this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that > I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so > please forgive me and correct my mistake) > > * Supporting the proposal > > Soren Stoutner > Andrej Shadura > Blair Noctis (as well as supporting format=flowed, > or perhaps just anti-thunderbird) > Tino Didriksen (or perhaps format=flowed) > Otto Kekäläinen (or perhaps supporting Charles Plessy) > > * Against the proposal > > Jeremy Stanley > Marco d'Itri > Bastian Blank > Jeremy Sowden > The Wanderer > Giuseppe Sacco > gregor herrmann (while suporting format=flowed) > Andreas Metzler > > * Advocating Format=flowed > > Andrea Pappacoda > Jonathan Dowland > Timo Röhling > Aurélien COUDERC > Colin Watson > Aaron Rainbolt > Jeremy Stanley > Wookey > Philipp Kern > Roger Lynn (somewhat) > Jonas Smedegaard > Philip Hands > Julien Plissonneau Duquène > > * Unclear > > Marvin Renich > Vincent Lefevre (seems against though) > Thomas Goirand > Jonathan McDowell > Marc Haber (but perhaps against everything ;-) ) > Stephan Verbücheln > Holger Levsen (with strong hints of against) > Aaron Schrab > Bjørn Mork > Charles Plessy (suggesting complaints should be off-list) > Mario Limonciello (hints of format=flowed support) > Leandro Cunha > Thorsten Glaser (seems against though) > IOhannes m zmölnig (perhaps a supporter) > Stephan Verbücheln (against? at least against mixed HTML) > Henrik Ahlgren > Russ Allbery > James Lu > Andrey Rakhmatullin > > I would sumarise that as follows: > > In favour: 5 (including yourself) > +2 (possibly) > > Against: 8 > +5 (possibly) > > for Format=Flowed: 13 > > Of the 13 F=F folk, several also lean against the proposal to some extent. > > I may be over-counting your supporters (given the notes by them). > > Perhaps I'm neglecting to count some of the pro-F=F folk as also being > in support of you, because I mis-read their mails or some such. > > Regardless, it seems clear that you are suffering from confirmation bias. > > It would be nice if you could take that into account to some extent.
Thanks for that, Phil. Sorry for being vague: I am *against* the proposal. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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