Re: ftp.debian.org lacking behind and p.d.o too

2007-07-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 03.07.2007, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Anthony Towns: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:44:04PM -0400, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 02:48:34PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > > > Can someone tell me, why ftp.debian.org is la

Bug#417118: ntpdate: Start sequence problem for some network setups

2007-07-03 Thread Simon Kelley
Touko Korpela wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: The network is started by /etc/rc0.d/S35networking, which starts ntpdate when eth0 becomes "up". At that time, the local nameserver is not yet available, it is started by /etc/rc[2345].d/S15bind9. ntpdate cannot resolve the names of the NTP servers a

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso
On 03/07/07, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Di den 3. Jul 2007 um 23:10 schrieb Josselin Mouette: > When you talk about the "good old" XMMS, is it the one that cuts the > sound each time you switch a workspace, or the one that randomly locks > up when reading files over NFS? I he

Re: uupdate: version check ?

2007-07-03 Thread Bruno Costacurta
On Monday 02 July 2007 18:24, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Monday 2 July 2007 17:58, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Monday 02 July 2007 17:45, Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > > uupdate -u ../secpanel-0.5.2.tar > > > New Release will be 0.5.2-1. > > > uupdate: new version 0.5.2-1 <= current version 0.41+0.4.2-3

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Di den 3. Jul 2007 um 23:10 schrieb Josselin Mouette: > When you talk about the "good old" XMMS, is it the one that cuts the > sound each time you switch a workspace, or the one that randomly locks > up when reading files over NFS? I heard this cr

Re: Missing license info in source files - fixed in upstream svn

2007-07-03 Thread Ben Finney
"Paul Cager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, July 3, 2007 8:38 am, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Explain it in debian/copyright, that's the proper place (the > > source files don't actually need license statement, even though of > > course it helps transparence and is therefore encouraged). > > I

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 03:28:05PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: >> Running debian-rules can always have side effects and can actively >> rely on them so a "--has-target" can not be implemented cleanly in >> make. > > I am proposing hooking into the logic that ultimately decides that > there is no su

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:11:04PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > One of the issue is that tools like sbuild and pbuilder which want to > take advantage of the Build-Depends-Indep split needs to know whether > dpkg-buildpackage will call debian/rules build or build-arch. It needs to know no such t

Re: Bug#417118: ntpdate: Start sequence problem for some network setups

2007-07-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 04, Touko Korpela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any ideas to fix this? I'm having same problem with ntp+dnsmasq Hope that some day we will switch to upstart. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Bug#417118: ntpdate: Start sequence problem for some network setups

2007-07-03 Thread Touko Korpela
Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> The network is started by /etc/rc0.d/S35networking, which starts ntpdate >> when eth0 becomes "up". At that time, the local nameserver is not yet >> available, it is started by /etc/rc[2345].d/S15bind9. ntpdate cannot >> resolve the names of the NTP servers and fails. >

Bug#431626: ITP: python-boto -- Python interface to Amazon's Web Services

2007-07-03 Thread Eric Evans
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eric Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: python-boto Version : 0.9a Upstream Author : Mitch Garnaat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://code.google.com/p/boto/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: Python Description

Re: kile

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 03:06:36PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: > In testing, kile has been removed. That doesn't appear to be the case. > It appears that texlive is undergoing a reorganization. As a result, > kile's dependencies are at odds with the new organization. I don't see this in any versio

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 20:57 +0200, Eduard Bloch a écrit : > Unless I am able to find such > visible problems within minutes, this program is no replacement for the > good old XMMS. When you talk about the "good old" XMMS, is it the one that cuts the sound each time you switch a workspace, or

kile

2007-07-03 Thread Art Edwards
In testing, kile has been removed. It appears that texlive is undergoing a reorganization. As a result, kile's dependencies are at odds with the new organization. When will kile be returned to the distribution? -- Arthur H. Edwards Senior Research Physicist Air Force Research Laboratory AFRL/VS

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070703 20:04]: > Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep > > targets for lenny?"): > >> Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > >> target using 'make -f

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:02:50 -0700]: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:31:13PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > * Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:25:11 -0700]: > > > But at a minimum, yes, the audacious-plugins package should be depending > > > on > > > libaudacious by way of shlibd

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Joseph Neal
> Hi > > Could you get audacious + audacious-plugins-extra from unstable and tell > us which formats are supported by xmms but not by audacious ? > Is there is a wiki page for this? Just at a glance, here is what I see. I've pasted the package descriptions for what I suspect are the most obs

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:31:13PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:25:11 -0700]: > > But at a minimum, yes, the audacious-plugins package should be depending on > > libaudacious by way of shlibdeps. > There is no NEEDED entry in the plugins against libaudacious

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 10:01:47AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:54:03AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > So, an idea: what about checking "make -f /dev/null blah 2>/dev/null" first, > > for some portability? > > What 'blah' are you planning to use that's guaranteed to n

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)
Do you mean having the right audacious-plugins dependency on audacious wouldn't be enough ? Adeodato Simó a écrit : > * Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:25:11 -0700]: > >> But at a minimum, yes, the audacious-plugins package should be depending on >> libaudacious by way of shlibdeps. > > Ther

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Steve Langasek [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:25:11 -0700]: > But at a minimum, yes, the audacious-plugins package should be depending on > libaudacious by way of shlibdeps. There is no NEEDED entry in the plugins against libaudaciousX. Do you mean hardcoding the dependency instead? (Which, true, solves

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 08:46:45AM +0200, "Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)" wrote: > I really hate circular depency and I'm not sure it's the better way. In > fact, audacious is broken in testing for ages and forcing a build of mcs > on mipsel would fix all that crap... I wonder why audacious and audacio

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Josselin Mouette [Tue, Jul 03 2007, 09:37:55AM]: > Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 08:18 +0200, Eduard Bloch a écrit : > > Audacious, like many other players, has this stupid concept of reading > > every file from the filelist to get the metadata. Not really realistic > > when acting on slow

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > > So, an idea: what about checking "make -f /dev/null blah 2>/dev/null" first, > > for some portability? > > What 'blah' are you planning to use that's guaranteed to not have broken > side-effects in some cases on Debian packages? How about: "blah

Re: ftp.debian.org lacking behind and p.d.o too

2007-07-03 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Dienstag, den 03.07.2007, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Anthony Towns: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:44:04PM -0400, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 02:48:34PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > > Can someone tell me, why ftp.debian.org is lacking behind? > > Apparently it's out of disk :( >

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't have much to contribute to a discussion (other than to say that > the idea seems reasonable), but I would like to register my interest in > being a pair of eyeballs for whatever spec you come up with for this. > Currently, maintainers that use d

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 06:40:37PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > Ian and I have chatted a few times about diversions in packages. It > seems like it would be easier to look for packages that should divert > (and don't), or do (and perhaps shouldn't :)) if the diversions were > declared in the pack

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Heh, I was very much in favor of Homepage as a debian/control field; my > objections to this use of Build-Options is not to the addition of this > field (which also has other benefits), but to this particular use of it > to declare information that must

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 10:54:07AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep > > targets for lenny?"): > >> Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > >> target usi

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 06:07:54PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep > targets for lenny?"): > > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > > target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. > Why

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep > targets for lenny?"): >> Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' >> target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. > Why are we so resistant to

Re: Source package containing HTML-only form of texinfo doc

2007-07-03 Thread Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso
On 01/07/07, Vincent Fourmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: upstream source ships with HTML-only form of the octave's texinfo documentation, which is licensed under GPL. This documentation is actually not installed in any binary package (for many reasons). Am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Steinar H. Gunderson writes ("Re: RFC: declaritive diversions"): > if ! dpkg --assert-declarative-diversions 2>/dev/null; then > dpkg --divert etc. > fi I would prefer to do this in dpkg-divert. Eg dpkg-divert --also-declaratively-declared ... > Given that we already seem to have such a

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?"): > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. Why are we so resistant to the new debian/control field ? That doesn't req

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon Richter writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?"): > The entire issue circles around not being able to reliably detect > whether the target is present using a simple script. But who said it has > to be a script? We want the package to _declare_ whether

Re: Source package containing HTML-only form of texinfo doc

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Vincent Fourmond writes ("Source package containing HTML-only form of texinfo doc"): > I am currently reviewing the qtoctave package (#430731) before > sponsoring it. The package is now in a pretty good shape, excepted with > a problem for which I would like to have some advice: the qtoctave > u

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:54:03AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I believe the attached patch has the following characteristics: > > - Behavior on systems where 'make' is not GNU make is undefined. > > Specifically, on such a sys

Re: Missing license info in source files - fixed in upstream svn

2007-07-03 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 04:06:11PM +0100, Paul Cager wrote: > On Tue, July 3, 2007 8:38 am, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Explain it in debian/copyright, that's the proper place (the source > > files don't actually need license statement, even though of course it > > helps transparence and is therefore

Re: Missing license info in source files - fixed in upstream svn

2007-07-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:06:11 +0100 (BST) "Paul Cager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, July 3, 2007 8:38 am, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Explain it in debian/copyright, that's the proper place (the source > > files don't actually need license statement, even though of course it > > helps transpare

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 04:19:15PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Ideally the setup should allow the same packages to declare diversions > both ways. This would make the transition a lot easier. if ! dpkg --assert-declarative-diversions 2>/dev/null; then dpkg --divert etc. fi Given that we

Re: FTBFS if built twice in a row

2007-07-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:50:52AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> This check would fail many packages that can still be built twice in a > >> row (any package that runs autotools during the build process without > >> doing a complicated dance to

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Robert Collins writes ("RFC: declaritive diversions"): > I don't have a proposed syntax at this point, but I was thinking a > control file in the source such as debian/PACKAGENAME.diversions would > be a good starting point - if thats able to record everything thats > needed, even if the binaries s

Re: Missing license info in source files - fixed in upstream svn

2007-07-03 Thread Paul Cager
On Tue, July 3, 2007 8:38 am, Andreas Barth wrote: > Explain it in debian/copyright, that's the proper place (the source > files don't actually need license statement, even though of course it > helps transparence and is therefore encouraged). I didn't realise that. I had assumed that each source

Re: ftp.debian.org lacking behind and p.d.o too

2007-07-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:44:04PM -0400, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 02:48:34PM +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > Can someone tell me, why ftp.debian.org is lacking behind? > Apparently it's out of disk :( This is now fixed. Thanks for the report. Cheers, aj signature.asc D

Re: synchronizing README.Debian with wiki.debian.org

2007-07-03 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 04:45:41PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 03:16:11PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: > > I think more packages, and the wiki itself, could benefit > > if this procedure could become a bit more standardised. > > Can someone upload an example of a wikipage, exp

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)
Adeodato Simó a écrit : * "Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)" [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:46:45 +0200]: Hi Steve, (My name is not Steve.) Wasn't talking to new or mistake. I really hate circular depency and I'm not sure it's the better way. Well, do as Joss said and tighten the audacious-pl

Re: RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 06:40:37PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > Ian and I have chatted a few times about diversions in packages. It > seems like it would be easier to look for packages that should divert > (and don't), or do (and perhaps shouldn't :)) if the diversions were > declared in the pack

Re: Bug#431482: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adeodato Simó
* "Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)" [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:46:45 +0200]: > Hi Steve, (My name is not Steve.) > I really hate circular depency and I'm not sure it's the better way. Well, do as Joss said and tighten the audacious-plugins dependency in audacious, *and* introduce tight dependencies against aud

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:34:19 +0200]: > And the sane way to fix it is to make the plugins link to the library. > This way audacious-plugins will depend on libaudacious5 and testing > won't be broken again. Yah, and what happens when the application (linked against libaudacious4) d

Re: synchronizing README.Debian with wiki.debian.org

2007-07-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 02 July 2007 17:45, Jon Dowland wrote: > Can someone upload an example of a wikipage, exported as > docbook and post-processed? I'm interested to see e.g. what > happens to links etc. try http://wiki.skolelinux.no/Dokumentasjon/ITIL/Samleside?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook o

Bug#431536: ITP: z80dasm -- Disassembler for the Zilog Z80 microprocessor

2007-07-03 Thread Tomaz Solc
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Tomaz Solc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: z80dasm Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Tomaz Solc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/articles/z80dasm * License : GPL Programming Lang: C De

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)
Joseph Neal a écrit : Most of this packages are xmms plugins. Maintainers will need to port them to xmms2 or bmpx, or they should be removed. Other packages just depend on xmms as a mere multimedia player, and therefore we recommend the maintainers to adjust their dependencies to bmpx, xmms2 or

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Joseph Neal
> Most of this packages are xmms plugins. Maintainers will need to port > them to xmms2 or bmpx, or they should be removed. > > Other packages just depend on xmms as a mere multimedia player, and > therefore we recommend the maintainers to adjust their dependencies to > bmpx, xmms2 or audacious. >

RFC: declaritive diversions

2007-07-03 Thread Robert Collins
Ian and I have chatted a few times about diversions in packages. It seems like it would be easier to look for packages that should divert (and don't), or do (and perhaps shouldn't :)) if the diversions were declared in the package rather than being done by turing complete code :). This is a long-p

Re: Missing license info in source files - fixed in upstream svn

2007-07-03 Thread Andreas Barth
* Paul Cager ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070702 23:04]: > I'm packaging a couple of Java libraries where the source files do not > have any license declarations. This is being fixed in upstream's svn > repository. > > I still want to package upstream's latest *release* rather than the head > of svn, so i

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I believe the attached patch has the following characteristics: > - Behavior on systems where 'make' is not GNU make is undefined. > Specifically, on such a system dpkg is likely to either conclude that > /all/ packages support '

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 08:18 +0200, Eduard Bloch a écrit : > Audacious, like many other players, has this stupid concept of reading > every file from the filelist to get the metadata. Not really realistic > when acting on slow filesystems. But this is something that made XMMS so > much superiou

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 à 00:40 +0200, Adeodato Simó a écrit : > > windlord:~> audacious > > Failed to load plugin (/usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so): > > /usr/lib/audacious/Input/libaac.so: undefined symbol: > > vfs_buffered_file_new_from_uri > > Files in audacious-plugins are dlopened by au