Re: Building in chroots hides bugs?

2006-08-01 Thread Brian May
> "Martijn" == Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martijn> The only example I can think of is programs that use Martijn> configure to include support for anything they can find Martijn> installed. So you get different results depending on Martijn> what's install

Re: Recursive Dependency Disease reminder and freetype status

2006-08-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 04:28:10PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I just finished updating the page http://wiki.debian.org/FreetypeTransition . > If your package is listed there, it has a bug: either a missing > build-dependency, or recursive dependency disease. We've made a lot of > progress,

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Dale C. Scheetz
Stuff deleted > > I have cdebootstrap do create chroots, dchroot to use them, > buildd/sbuild to test compile under true buildd conditions. Why would > I want something else? > I'm not sure I know, but now that I know about this pair, I will certainly look into it. After that, if I can answer yo

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread Eric Dorland
* John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 06:12:34PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > > diff also doesn't preserve permissions, so some are using debian/rules > > > anyway. > > > > Indeed but that can make thing broke due the wrong permission of > > upstream files, iff y

Re: Building in chroots hides bugs?

2006-08-01 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:37:58PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1221 +0100]: > >> Building in chroots *hides* bugs. > > > > Uh, what? Please give an example. > > Missing Build-Confli

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.2247 +0100]: > I do use darcs to track patches against upstream. I really don't > understand the whole cdbs/dpatch/whatever thing -- why use a hack to > manage your patches when you could use a real VC tool that does it > better? I agree, d

Re: Centralized darcs (was Re: centralized bzr)

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 14:55 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 08:31:37PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Right, bzr is great when you have a designed person to integrate > > contributor's changes after review. > > > > But if you have a set of equal developers, bzr can be also us

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 19:44 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1936 +0100]: > > Forgot to add that it can be even _identical_ to subversion, in the > > sense that you don't have to commit locally, and then push. Just make a > > "checkout" (refe

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 06:12:34PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> > diff also doesn't preserve permissions, so some are using debian/rules >> > anyway. >> >> Indeed but that can make thing broke due the wrong permission of >> upstream files, iff you us

Bug#381073: ITP: jabbin -- Jabber client with Jingle VoIP support

2006-08-01 Thread Andrew Donnellan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Donnellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: jabbin Version : 2.0 Upstream Author : Stefano Grini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.jabbin.com * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : Jabbe

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 06:12:34PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > diff also doesn't preserve permissions, so some are using debian/rules > > anyway. > > Indeed but that can make thing broke due the wrong permission of > upstream files, iff you use darcs to maintain those fixes mixed with > chan

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:36:07PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: >> > Darcs has a nice way of pushing patches via e-mail, with GPG signatures >> > even. These can be processed in an automated way on the server, >> > verified against, for instance, the De

Re: Two versions of pan in etch?

2006-08-01 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Søren Boll Overgaard wrote: > Essentially, what it boils down to is this: Would it be prudent to include two > separate versions of pan in etch (perhaps named pan and pan2)? This should be avoided where possible; if they share a common code base it's quite likely that discovered security problems

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 08:31:37PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: >> Right, bzr is great when you have a designed person to integrate >> contributor's changes after review. >> >> But if you have a set of equal developers, bzr can be also used in a >> very s

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-01 Thread Christian Perrier
> Christian, i haven't mailed you but if you're interested let me know > and i'll forward the messages for you. I'm not interested more than being sure that our users do get a predictable (and hopefully nice) environment..:-) In short, just keep this bug report posted, that'll be enough. sig

Recursive Dependency Disease reminder and freetype status

2006-08-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I just finished updating the page http://wiki.debian.org/FreetypeTransition . If your package is listed there, it has a bug: either a missing build-dependency, or recursive dependency disease. We've made a lot of progress, but there are still nearly 200 packages with unneeded and damaging depen

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-01 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:36:07PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > Darcs has a nice way of pushing patches via e-mail, with GPG signatures > > even. These can be processed in an automated way on the server, > > verified against, for instance, the Debian keyring, and then applied to > > the repos

Re: Centralized darcs (was Re: centralized bzr)

2006-08-01 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:06:19PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > This feature is in development for bzr, called the smart server. > Just for completeness. > > John, are you actually using the workflow you describe for > maintenance of Debian packages? Single or team maintenance? Could > you elab

Re: Centralized darcs (was Re: centralized bzr)

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.2055 +0100]: > Darcs has a nice way of pushing patches via e-mail, with GPG signatures > even. These can be processed in an automated way on the server, > verified against, for instance, the Debian keyring, and then applied to > the reposito

Re: Centralized darcs (was Re: centralized bzr)

2006-08-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006, John Goerzen wrote: > Darcs has a nice way of pushing patches via e-mail, with GPG signatures > even. These can be processed in an automated way on the server, > verified against, for instance, the Debian keyring, and then applied to > the repository. Which would also be a fa

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-01 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 8/1/06, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le dimanche 30 juillet 2006 à 08:36 +0200, Christian Perrier a écrit : > To be fair with Ryan here, I seem to remember that he mentioned (maybe > not in the bug report) that he would consider making a Debian theme > the default...if one gets

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1537 +0100]: > > Could you give me some insights, please, into how snapshot.d.n is > > useful? Don't get me wrong, I also find it useful, but mostly from > > the administrator perspective, I've not really used it as > > a developer. > >

Centralized darcs (was Re: centralized bzr)

2006-08-01 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 08:31:37PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > Right, bzr is great when you have a designed person to integrate > contributor's changes after review. > > But if you have a set of equal developers, bzr can be also used in a > very similar way to Subversion, where all commits go to

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 03:31:26PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Could you give me some insights, please, into how snapshot.d.n is > useful? Don't get me wrong, I also find it useful, but mostly from > the administrator perspective, I've not really used it as > a developer. Testing of various up

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Then each developer can prepare a set of changes offline, do all the > branching, merging, commiting and uncommiting (gotta love that) that > they want, and when they're done, do e.g.: > > % bzr push sftp://costa.debian.org/bzr/pkg-xiph/vorbis-tools W

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1936 +0100]: > Forgot to add that it can be even _identical_ to subversion, in the > sense that you don't have to commit locally, and then push. Just make a > "checkout" (refer to the bzr docs), and every commit you make will go to > the mai

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 07:19:19PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Yes, and I wanted to know why he thought that is the case. I believe > Christoph has given a good account of the reasons. If you have > anything to add, please do! There's also the fact that well known teams like the installer and

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Adeodato Simó [Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:31:37 +0200]: > they want, and when they're done, do e.g.: > % bzr push sftp://costa.debian.org/bzr/pkg-xiph/vorbis-tools Forgot to add that it can be even _identical_ to subversion, in the sense that you don't have to commit locally, and then push. Just ma

centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Christoph Haas [Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:33:15 +0200]: Hi, > No offense intended - honestly - but the problem of passing > patches/patchsets around between the maintainers is really a problem. In > Subversion I know where the authoritative instance lies that is the master > instance keeping the c

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1907 +0100]: [...] >> I assumed he meant it in the sense that more teams seem to be >> using subversion on alioth than any other RCS. [...] > Yes, and I wanted to know why he thought that is the case.

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Pierre Machard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1501 +0100]: >> snapshot.debian.net (still not-official but very usefull > This is very interesting, especially in the light of version control > for packaging -- which could also make packages

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1907 +0100]: > > I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why subversion beats them > > all, in your perception. > > I assumed he meant it in the sense that more teams seem to be > using subversion on alioth than any other RCS. Ie, compare > th

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Joey Hess
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.0005 +0100]: > > Subversion, in conjunction with alioth, has risen dramatically in > > Debian to accomodate team-based maintainance. There are of course > > plenty of challengers, but subversion seems to beat them al

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1804 +0100]: > > FYI: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion > > Have you tryed it? Not productively. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :'

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks, Christoph, I think you argued a good case! > >> I'll probably use bzr when I need to keep something revisioned >> without much fuss just to save the time for "svnadmin create" and >> a DAV share on my Apache. But for everything else I think I'l

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Joe Smith
"Goswin von Brederlow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for serious work. That's a bold statement. -- c

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 30 juillet 2006 à 08:36 +0200, Christian Perrier a écrit : > To be fair with Ryan here, I seem to remember that he mentioned (maybe > not in the bug report) that he would consider making a Debian theme > the default...if one gets enough acceptance. Great! > So, someone has to come wit

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 01 août 2006 à 09:45 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > >> Public extensions should be packaged with a name of python-foo, > >> where foo is the name of the module. Such a package should support > >> the current Debian Python version, and more if possible. > > > Maybe a word on how publi

Re: Building in chroots hides bugs? (was: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1701 +0100]: > Missing $(DESTDIR)s in Makefiles are an example. Especially when the > install part was DESTDIRified, but the test before if the file is > already there (as make install does not want to overwrite a config file) > was forgo

Re: Building in chroots hides bugs? (was: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060801 15:29]: > also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1221 +0100]: > > Building in chroots *hides* bugs. > > Uh, what? Please give an example. Missing $(DESTDIR)s in Makefiles are an example. Especially when the install part was DESTDIRif

Bug#212049: She will love you more than any other guy

2006-08-01 Thread Jan
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Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
Thanks, Christoph, I think you argued a good case! > I'll probably use bzr when I need to keep something revisioned > without much fuss just to save the time for "svnadmin create" and > a DAV share on my Apache. But for everything else I think I'll > stay with Subversion. And while I haven't tried

Re: Building in chroots

2006-08-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > #include > * Frank Küster [Tue, Aug 01 2006, 01:55:14PM]: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >> >> > On Aug 01, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> > > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for >> >> >

Re: Building in chroots hides bugs?

2006-08-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1221 +0100]: >> Building in chroots *hides* bugs. > > Uh, what? Please give an example. Missing Build-Conflicts aren't found. Auto* scripts "fail" to run because they aren't installed. Users,

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > martin f krafft wrote: > >>> Subversion, in conjunction with alioth, has risen dramatically in >>> Debian to accomodate team-based maintainance. There are of course >>> plenty of challengers, but subversion seems to beat them all. > >> I'd be int

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.0005 +0100]: > > Subversion, in conjunction with alioth, has risen dramatically in > > Debian to accomodate team-based maintainance. There are of course > > plenty of challengers, bu

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Roger Leigh
Christian Aichinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 10:24:32AM +, Reinhard Tartler wrote: >> The sbuild package in debian however adds more features, like >> schroot support. With this, it can use schroot to create >> temporary, clean chroots from tarballs, block devices,

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Could you point me to documentation on python-support, what it > does, how to use it, and how it differs from python-central? Well, python-support is documented at the expected /usr/share/doc/python-support and in the dh_pysupport man page

'Open Sourcing' Survey #2

2006-08-01 Thread martin f. krafft
Dear fellow developers, Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to complete our survey! Please see [0] for the initial call and background information. 0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/07/msg00186.html We want to ensure a good representation of community views, and I was thus ask

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:35:56 +0200, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> 2.1. [5]XS-Python-Version: 2.2. [6]XB-Python-Version: > Your document keeps mentionning these, even as "requirements", but > XB- isn't required for packages using python-

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:55:39 +0200, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Le lundi 31 juillet 2006 à 21:10 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> Public modules are available for use in other Python scripts or >> modules using the import directive. They are installed in one of >> the directo

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-01 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Hi, > > On Saturday 29 July 2006 08:43, Christian Perrier wrote: > > And get a very nice random theme for gdm, making the system different > > each time it's booted up. Very user friendly. > > I agree with Christian. Quite some people will be confused

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 03:31:26PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Pierre Machard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1501 +0100]: > > snapshot.debian.net (still not-official but very usefull > > This is very interesting, especially in the light of version control > for packaging -- which

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2006-08-01 kello 15:31 +0100, martin f krafft kirjoitti: > also sprach Pierre Machard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1501 +0100]: > > snapshot.debian.net (still not-official but very usefull > > This is very interesting, especially in the light of version control > for packaging -- which coul

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 15:31 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Could you give me some insights, please, into how snapshot.d.n is > useful? Don't get me wrong, I also find it useful, but mostly from > the administrator perspective, I've not really used it as > a developer. I'm using it when porting s

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 03:31:26PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Could you give me some insights, please, into how snapshot.d.n is > useful? Don't get me wrong, I also find it useful, but mostly from > the administrator perspective, I've not really used it as > a developer. Binary searching for

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Pierre Machard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1501 +0100]: > snapshot.debian.net (still not-official but very usefull This is very interesting, especially in the light of version control for packaging -- which could also make packages from the past accessible. Could you give me some

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Pierre Machard
Hi, On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 09:39:26PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: [...] > While I already have a good selection, I am on the look for more. > Do you know of a good example of a tool that has successfully shaped > Debian development for a large number of people? Or do you remember > a tool that

Re: Building in chroots hides bugs? (was: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 8/1/06, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1221 +0100]: > Building in chroots *hides* bugs. Uh, what? Please give an example. The only example I can think of is programs that use configure to include support for anything they

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, martin f krafft wrote: >> Subversion, in conjunction with alioth, has risen dramatically in >> Debian to accomodate team-based maintainance. There are of course >> plenty of challengers, but subversion seems to beat them all. > I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why subversion beats th

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Christian Aichinger
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 10:24:32AM +, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > The sbuild package in debian however adds more features, like > schroot support. With this, it can use schroot to create > temporary, clean chroots from tarballs, block devices, create lvm > snapshots on the fly and so on. I read R

Re: Building in chroots (was: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Frank Küster [Tue, Aug 01 2006, 01:55:14PM]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > > > On Aug 01, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for > >> > > serious work. > >> > That's a bold statement. > >>

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for >> serious work. > That's a bold statement. > > -- > ciao, > Marco Never used either one. I have cdebootstrap do create chroo

Building in chroots hides bugs? (was: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.1221 +0100]: > Building in chroots *hides* bugs. Uh, what? Please give an example. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer and au

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.0005 +0100]: > Subversion, in conjunction with alioth, has risen dramatically in > Debian to accomodate team-based maintainance. There are of course > plenty of challengers, but subversion seems to beat them all. I'd be interested in your t

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-08-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Tatsuya Kinoshita writes ("Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'"): > Hmm, I have not yet understand the policy 3.6: > > | All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and > | arrange to create new ones if necessary. They should not use virtual > |

Building in chroots (was: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Küster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > On Aug 01, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for >> > > serious work. >> > That's a bold statement. >> Are you serious? (SCNR ;-) > Yes. I do not use either and I think I have

Bug#380999: RFH: mc -- midnight commander - a powerful file manager

2006-08-01 Thread Ludovic Drolez
Package: wnpp Severity: normal I request assistance with maintaining the mc package. I'm currently the only active maintainer for the mc package, and there's around 80 bugs to fix in the BTS. Most of the bugs are upstream, so the main tasks would be: - to check if the bugs in the BTS aren't alread

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Küster
Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >>> There is also sbuild (which may be used with or without schroot to >>> manage the chroot). I prefer it to pbuilder, but I may be a little >>> biased ;-) >> >> Isn't sbuild usually using a permanently unpacked chroot which persi

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 01, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for > > > serious work. > > That's a bold statement. > Are you serious? (SCNR ;-) Yes. I do not use either and I think I have been doing serious Debian work so far. Building i

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Frank Küster wrote: > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Not sure if I missed it, but you seem to claim a copyright but not give >>an explicit license. I imagine you meant to put it under GPL or a free >>version of the GFDL. Could you please clarify and also add it to the >>d

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Frank Küster wrote: >> There is also sbuild (which may be used with or without schroot to >> manage the chroot). I prefer it to pbuilder, but I may be a little >> biased ;-) > > Isn't sbuild usually using a permanently unpacked chroot which persists > between different invocations of the tool? Th

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Küster
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I think maintainers should really build and test their packages in >> clean sid chroots. It's not important Whether these are set up with >> debootstrap or any other method, and whether the handling is done >>

Re: Translated packages descriptions progress

2006-08-01 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 8/1/06, Michael Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think we got a step closer, but there is still some work to be done. I'm sure the ddtp server admins will appreciate any help and I would appreciate any testing of the new apt code :) Sure. I was wondering where the code for ddtp server is. T

(libraries) transition best pratices

2006-08-01 Thread Filippo Giunchedi
Hi, a wiki page[0] has been created to list the transition best pratices for developers to follow while introducing new libraries versions (ABI/API incompatible). Feel free to add what's missing. thanks, filippo [0]: http://wiki.debian.org/TransitionBestPractices -- Filippo Giunchedi - http://e

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Roger Leigh
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> #include >> * Marco d'Itri [Tue, Aug 01 2006, 09:53:21AM]: >>> On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for >>> > serious

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Küster
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #include > * Marco d'Itri [Tue, Aug 01 2006, 09:53:21AM]: >> On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for >> > serious work. >> That's a bold statement. > > Are you seri

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 10:06:05AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: >#include >* Marco d'Itri [Tue, Aug 01 2006, 09:53:21AM]: >>On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for >>>serious work. += piuparts >>That's a bold s

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Marco d'Itri [Tue, Aug 01 2006, 09:53:21AM]: > On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for > > serious work. > That's a bold statement. Are you serious? (SCNR ;-) No, debootstrap is an important toy b

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 31 juillet 2006 à 21:10 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > Public modules are available for use in other Python scripts or >modules using the import directive. They are installed in one of >the directories > > /var/lib/python-support/pyth

Re: Translated packages descriptions progress

2006-08-01 Thread Michael Vogt
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On 7/30/06, Michael Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone who has been loosely following this for a while and > translated a few descriptions, I have a few little questions/comments: > > 1. The website you provide (ht

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for > serious work. That's a bold statement. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Translated packages descriptions progress

2006-08-01 Thread Michael Vogt
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 02:06:26PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 08:26:02AM +0200, Michael Vogt a écrit : > > > > 1. send a Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject 'GET 3 cs' > > (use cs da de eo es fi fr hu it ja nl pl pt_BR pt_PT ru sk sv_SE > > uk as langco

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Küster
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure if I missed it, but you seem to claim a copyright but not give > an explicit license. I imagine you meant to put it under GPL or a free > version of the GFDL. Could you please clarify and also add it to the > document? I couldn't care l

Re: dh_python and python policy analysis

2006-08-01 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > 2.1. [5]XS-Python-Version: > 2.2. [6]XB-Python-Version: Your document keeps mentionning these, even as "requirements", but XB- isn't required for packages using python-support, and XS can be replaced by debian/pyver

Re: ir-kbd-gpio.ko missing from kernel images

2006-08-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 01 août 2006 à 17:40 +1200, David Shepherd a écrit : > Hi All > > I'm trying to get the infra-red remote control working on my MythTV box > and can't find the correct module (ir-kbd-gpio) > > So, can anyone tell me where I can find, or how I can compile the > ir-kbd-gpio.ko module. It