Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Patty Langasek
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 05:20:24PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mardi, 9 juillet 2013 16.54:46, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > > Is anybody considering alternative strategies like disposable plates > > and cutlery? I don't believe it is a good option, but if the > > volunteer option is chos

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 9 juillet 2013 16.54:46, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > What about transport? Do they have to definitely finish and go home > at 22:00 or whenever the last bus departs? Do they have cars and > can they potentially work more hours if the work isn't finished by > 22:00? As I understand it, we

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 09/07/13 15:06, Raphaël Walther wrote: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >> On Dienstag, 9. Juli 2013, Raphaël Walther wrote: >>> I really need a decision today. >> Eight more hours and you'll have it :) > Looking forward to have it :) > >>> B. Dishwashing partia

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : Le mardi, 9 juillet 2013 13.53:44, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit : > this amount sounds way more reasonable to me. (I also think its > better to use volunteers in the morning and paid staff in the > evening...) So if we get cold meals for lunch there'll be no st

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Raphaël Walther
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Dienstag, 9. Juli 2013, Raphaël Walther wrote: > > I really need a decision today. > > Eight more hours and you'll have it :) Looking forward to have it :) > > B. Dishwashing partialy done by 3 students from 14:00 to 22:00 for

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 9 juillet 2013 13.53:44, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit : > > this amount sounds way more reasonable to me. (I also think its > > better to use volunteers in the morning and paid staff in the > > evening...) > > So if we get cold meals for lunch there'll be no staff needed. Let's > wait fo

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Raphaël Walther
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 07:53:44AM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > > this amount sounds way more reasonable to me. (I also think its better to > > use volunteers in the morning and paid staff in the evening...) > > So if we get cold meals for lunch there'll be no staff needed. Let's wait for

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Raphaël, > > On Dienstag, 9. Juli 2013, Raphaël Walther wrote: > > I really need a decision today. > > Eight more hours and you'll have it :) > > > B. Dishwashing partialy done by 3 students from 14:00 to 22:00 for total > > cos

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, I think cleaning in the evening will be more work and thus I suggested what I suggested... cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org ht

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Philipp Hug
> this amount sounds way more reasonable to me. (I also think its better to > use > volunteers in the morning and paid staff in the evening...) > I think OdyX's approach is better, if someone wants to organize a dishwashing team: paid in the morning/afternoon. and volunteers in the evening. This w

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Raphaël, On Dienstag, 9. Juli 2013, Raphaël Walther wrote: > I really need a decision today. Eight more hours and you'll have it :) > B. Dishwashing partialy done by 3 students from 14:00 to 22:00 for total > cost of CHF 2640 and volunteer based in the morning. this amount sounds way more re

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 8 juillet 2013 21.09:43, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 08:21:37PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > First, this has been proposed and dismissed at the latest DebConf > > Team meeting [0]. > > Right, but it's not clear to me that we couldn't go back to this

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 9 juillet 2013 05.16:15, Raphaël Walther a écrit : > So I just describe our options during DebConf here: > > A. Dishwashing fully volunteer based at no cost for the association. > B. Dishwashing partialy done by 3 students from 14:00 to 22:00 for > total cost of CHF 2640 and volunteer ba

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Raphaël Walther
Hi, On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 06:38:36PM +0200, Raphaël Walther wrote: > So, my suggestion is to have two teams : > a) 3 people from 10:00 to 16:00 > b) 3 people from 16:00 to 22:00 > > They will prepare tables and be responsible for dishwashing. > > With current forfait, this would mean > Forfait

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Raphaël Walther
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:16:13PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Gaudenz, > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:12:51PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > Brian Gupta writes: > > > That said, it does seem the hourly rates quoted seem high for the > > > nature of the work, so it would probably be wor

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Raphaël Walther
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:38:36PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > The cleaning rates seem reasonable for a cleaning company. I hear the > lowest cash rate paid to a cleaner is about 20 CHF/hour although many > refuse to work for less than 25 or 30. 20 CHF/hr is about the same as > the net rate the

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 02:14:50AM +0100, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2013-07-08 21:20, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > >IMO the way to go is that before tomorrows meeting we need to find > >enough persons willing to organize the dishwashing by volunteers > >and who > >are commited enough that in case of fai

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-07-08 21:20, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: IMO the way to go is that before tomorrows meeting we need to find enough persons willing to organize the dishwashing by volunteers and who are commited enough that in case of failure they are ready to do the unstaffed shifts themselves. I'd emphas

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Gaudenz, On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:12:51PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Brian Gupta writes: > > That said, it does seem the hourly rates quoted seem high for the > > nature of the work, so it would probably be worth exploring lower cost > > options, but in the end, I think we really shoul

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 08/07/13 20:37, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Patty Langasek wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be >>> filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3%

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Patty Langasek writes: > If this is the way we're going with this, we need to have the dishwashing > volunteer crew staffed and ready to start with the first full meal (lunch) > and finish with the last dinner, and someone to be responsible in the event > the crew can't manage the workload. > >

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Gregor, On Montag, 8. Juli 2013, gregor herrmann wrote: > I consider it totally reasonable to strongly ask (at least sponsored) > participants to sign up for 1-2 shifts of dishwashing, and I'd > suggest to do this during registration: "Here's your name badge, your > room is over there, and plea

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Brian Gupta writes: > That said, it does seem the hourly rates quoted seem high for the > nature of the work, so it would probably be worth exploring lower cost > options, but in the end, I think we really should be looking at not > having Developers missing sessions to wash dishes. I can as

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 11:18:10 -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: > This was part of a long debate - unless we have enough volunteers dedicated > to handling this, or people who will take responsibility in the event that > the volunteers ... choose not to complete this task, it's unreasonable to > expec

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Montag, 8. Juli 2013, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > It's not necessarily true that attendees will miss important sessions if > they decided to volunteer on this. They will probably put their names for > date/time that they feel comfortable doing so without loosing anything > important. Socializi

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Raphaël Walther
Hello Patty, On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:37:34AM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 06:38:36PM +0200, Raphaël Walther wrote: > > DISHWASHING > > > > Total CHF 7523.16 > > Budget CHF 5600 > > =

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 08:21:37PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le lundi, 8 juillet 2013 20.04:35, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit : > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let > > > them be filled b

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:37:01PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Patty Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be > >> filled by volunteers... 5k for

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Brian Gupta
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >> seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be >> filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget. > > > This was part of a

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Patty Langasek
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be > filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget. This was part of a long debate - unless we have enough volunteers dedicated to h

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 8 juillet 2013 20.04:35, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let > > them be filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of > > our total budget. > > +1

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be > filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget. +1 I'd join a team to coordinate volunteers on this. Regards, -- -

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Holger Levsen
seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debco

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Montag, 8. Juli 2013, Raphaël Walther wrote: > DISHWASHING > Total cost CHF 5280 wow :( I'm not sure this is sensible... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing l

Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Patty Langasek
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 06:38:36PM +0200, Raphaël Walther wrote: > Hi there, > This is quite urgent please read. I would need your input as soon as possible. Thank you so much for looking into this! > DISHWASHING > Well, I have three persons interested for dishwashing and helping for CHF 800 >

[Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning

2013-07-08 Thread Raphaël Walther
Hi there, This is quite urgent please read. I would need your input as soon as possible. DISHWASHING Well, I have three persons interested for dishwashing and helping for CHF 800 per person from 10 august 2013 to 18 august 2013. The issue are the day will be very long for them from 10:00 to 22:0