[Debconf-team] Le Camp, Vaumarcus (NE), Suisse : Saturday Night Squashing Party !

2012-10-25 Thread Michael Germini
Hello, If you need support or just want to meet ! Saturday 27 Dinner - Cheese Raclette & Swiss beer Sunday 28 - meal MIDI - Sausage and rice If you want to come to Le Camp, Vaumarcus (NE), Suisse ? Feel free to take some product land ! Thank Michael Open events platform: http://www.debian.

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 4 - accomodation

2012-10-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:11:42AM +0100, Moray Allan wrote: > >From a Debian/DebConf perspective, I think we should always try to >have some sponsored accommodation, but it's probably ok if that is >Oslo-standard "here's a gym floor and there are some showers nearby" >(or potentially even "here is

Re: [Debconf-team] Cost reduction / shortening (was Re: not a registration fee, but...)

2012-10-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 08:59:54PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: > >2007 - I can't remember about this one. I remember we had quite a lot (100?) of external visitors that day, due to a lot of publicity. We definitely sold lots of T-shirts that day. :-) Then again, I'm not sure how much we actually c

Re: [Debconf-team] Travel sponsorship proposal

2012-10-25 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Hi Ana, On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 07:24:23PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: > > Hi, > > There were a thread discussing about travel sponsorship for this year, > I am unable to find it now, so allow me a new thread to send my proposal. > > * Forgetting about travel sponsorhip until March 1st > > Some

Re: [Debconf-team] Balmer's - checklist questions/disability access

2012-10-25 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Hi Daniel, On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:25:13AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > I ran the checklist questions past Balmer's, they've come back to us > with the following detail: > > hostel building: over 100 years old, they can therefore make no > commitment to compete with a modern purpose-bui

Re: [Debconf-team] How many Swiss sponsors are expected?

2012-10-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Donnerstag, 25. Oktober 2012, Moray Allan wrote: > It is of course worth contacting as many as possible, quite apart from > how the budget looks at present. And evidence from other fund-raising > suggest that some more sustained/personal contact would probably get a > better success rate t

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, just appending some info which was given on IRC: (for those not following IRC.) On Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > 3a. So assuming we'd sign the lecamp contract (or any others introducing > > 150K in costs) how would you propose to deal with the, eg, 100K debt? > > Share

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 2 - food

2012-10-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2012, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Doing this might reduce the number of attendees, because some might just > not be able to afford paying for food themselves. This in turn would > increase our per attendee costs. Overall we could save as much as about > 100'000.- CHF if

Re: [Debconf-team] thoughts on Le Camp contract and budget

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-22 14:20, Richard Darst wrote: First, "debconf always finds a way" is what we generally accept, and I think this is true. On the other hand, we historically aren't that good at raising unbounded sums of money globally. Indeed. We're not especially good at raising money, which re

[Debconf-team] Le Camp, Vaumarcus (NE), Suisse : Saturday Night Squashing Party !

2012-10-25 Thread Michael Germini
Hello, If you need support or just want to meet ! Saturday 27 Dinner - Cheese Raclette & Swiss beer Sunday 28 - meal MIDI - Sausage and rice If you want to come to Le Camp, Vaumarcus (NE), Suisse ? Feel free to take some product land ! Thank Michael Open events platform: http://www.debian.

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread micah anderson
David Bremner writes: > micah anderson writes: > >> I want to emphasis a bit what Moray wrote above. If travel sponsorship >> is eliminated because other things are too expensive, that results in a >> Debconf where only people who can afford to go can go. It raises the >> economic minimum bar to

Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes meeting with Le Camp, Thursday 25-10-2012

2012-10-25 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 05:17:07PM +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > > Conditions Générales: > http://www.lecamp.ch/pdf/conditions.pdf > Small question about the point 7: 7. Repas Déjeuner : 8 h. ; Dîner 12 h. ; Souper : 18 h. [...] Does that mean we must have breakfast/lunch/dinner at those times?

Re: [Debconf-team] Travel sponsorship proposal

2012-10-25 Thread David Bremner
Ana Guerrero writes: > Hi, > > There were a thread discussing about travel sponsorship for this year, > I am unable to find it now, so allow me a new thread to send my proposal. > > * Forgetting about travel sponsorhip until March 1st Fine for me. > * Managing travel sponsorship request in a di

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread David Bremner
micah anderson writes: > I want to emphasis a bit what Moray wrote above. If travel sponsorship > is eliminated because other things are too expensive, that results in a > Debconf where only people who can afford to go can go. It raises the > economic minimum bar to a level where we cut people of

Re: [Debconf-team] Cost reduction / shortening (was Re: not a registration fee, but...)

2012-10-25 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 06:59:34PM +0100, Moray Allan wrote: > > Another point about shortening: > > It is sad to say it, but it is clear that in most years Debian Day > hasn't turned out that well compared to what has been hoped, and > compared to the amount of work put into organising it. It h

Re: [Debconf-team] Cost reduction / shortening (was Re: not a registration fee, but...)

2012-10-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 06:59:34PM +0100, Moray Allan wrote: > ... In the last few years we have tried to > warn the local team members about this and encourage better > advertising longer in advance, but is it time to admit that it just > doesn't work well as a job for the DebConf local team or a

Re: [Debconf-team] Cost reduction / shortening (was Re: not a registration fee, but...)

2012-10-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 25 octobre 2012 19.59:34, Moray Allan a écrit : > It is sad to say it, but it is clear that in most years Debian Day > hasn't turned out that well compared to what has been hoped, and > compared to the amount of work put into organising it. It has taken a > lot of effort/attention from v

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 4 - accomodation

2012-10-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 25 octobre 2012 18.41:54, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > Le jeudi, 25 octobre 2012 00.18:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > > *** No / only partly sponsored accomodation *** > > I think something like inflating the real "cost overheads for good beds" > and billing them to attendees might

[Debconf-team] Cost reduction / shortening (was Re: not a registration fee, but...)

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 10:53, Moray Allan wrote: Therefore, quite apart from this year's budget questions, I would be happy with a plan to shorten the overall DebConf+DebCamp period. Another point about shortening: It is sad to say it, but it is clear that in most years Debian Day hasn't turned out th

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread micah anderson
Moray Allan writes: > On 2012-10-25 01:39, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> Right. Emergency mode rarely makes us take the best >> decisions. However, in order to get the number closer in line with >> the >> forseen numbers, we can assume no travel sponsorship will be >> paid. That will mean we have to bud

[Debconf-team] Travel sponsorship proposal

2012-10-25 Thread Ana Guerrero
Hi, There were a thread discussing about travel sponsorship for this year, I am unable to find it now, so allow me a new thread to send my proposal. * Forgetting about travel sponsorhip until March 1st Some people was commenting in that thread and in IRC about dropping directly the travel spons

Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes meeting with Le Camp, Thursday 25-10-2012

2012-10-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
tings/20121025 Please do not start a new infinite thread about them. Let's wait for the Interlaken meeting (tomorrow) and during the BSP in Le Camp starting on Saturday 27th morning together with the other present people we will update the comparison on the wiki: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki

Re: [Debconf-team] Friday/Interlaken agenda

2012-10-25 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there! On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:53:27 +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > I'll take the train from Bern 12:34 and arrive 13:28 in Interlaken. After today's meeting with Le Camp [1], I decided to come as well, I will take the same train as Gaudenz (the IC 723 from Genève arrives in Bern at 12:26).

Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes meeting with Le Camp, Thursday 25-10-2012

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 16:17, Michele Cane wrote: We just came back from the meeting with Mr. Pianaro and below you can find the minutes also available at: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/20121025 Thanks for your work on this. Please note that Le Camp is waiting for an answer on

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 4 - accomodation

2012-10-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 25 octobre 2012 00.18:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > *** No / only partly sponsored accomodation *** I think something like inflating the real "cost overheads for good beds" and billing them to attendees might be a good way to rise "some" money, as anti- social as it might sound. Lemm

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 3 -?bed upselling

2012-10-25 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:04:53AM +0100, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2012-10-24 23:01, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > >*** Bed upselling *** > > > >At both currently proposed locations there are several different > >qualities of beds (smaller rooms, more comfort, tent vs. indoors). We > >could just provide

[Debconf-team] Minutes meeting with Le Camp, Thursday 25-10-2012

2012-10-25 Thread Michele Cane
Hi all, We just came back from the meeting with Mr. Pianaro and below you can find the minutes also available at: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/20121025 Please do not start a new infinite thread about them. Let's wait for the Interlaken meeting (tomorrow) and during the B

Re: [Debconf-team] How many Swiss sponsors are expected?

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 09:01, Daniel Pocock wrote: Even for small companies, 500 CHF is not so much, and they may simply give this money because they get more than that value out of Debian (who doesn't?) So you would think. But we got a rather low rate of positive responses from small companies last

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 01:39, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Right. Emergency mode rarely makes us take the best decisions. However, in order to get the number closer in line with the forseen numbers, we can assume no travel sponsorship will be paid. That will mean we have to budget for IIRC CHF30K less - And ~15%

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp contract, 2012-09-27

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 01:21, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Thinking this a bit over... I am with Gaudenz here. If we are going to work in x venue, and have already the prices, and x venue agrees to reduce y% to have us decide to stay with them — They qualify as sponsors for the corresponding bracket. Even if we ne

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 4 - accomodation

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-24 23:18, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: *** No / only partly sponsored accomodation *** This is basically the same as for food. Participants would either have to pay part or all of the accomodation costs themselves. The big unknown is how many participants would not come to DebConf becaus

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 3 - bed upselling

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-24 23:01, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: *** Bed upselling *** At both currently proposed locations there are several different qualities of beds (smaller rooms, more comfort, tent vs. indoors). We could just provide the lowest category of beds to sponsored people and ask anyone wanting a

Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 cost reduction / additional income idea 2 - food

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 07:49, Richard Darst wrote: Actually, this would make a lot of sense for breakfast. Considering breakfast is the meal that is most often not included, Right. Previous years established that many attendees have no interest in breakfast, at least at conventional breakfast times,

Re: [Debconf-team] not a registration fee, but...

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 00:55, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Just FWIW (and not as a explicit vote, just as an opinion): We have the tradition to have a two week long DebConf+DebCamp. I would prefer having a shorter period (say, 3 days of DebCamp and 4 days of DebConf, no DebianDay nor daytrip) if we need to cut on

Re: [Debconf-team] How many Swiss sponsors are expected?

2012-10-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 25/10/12 08:38, Richard Darst wrote: > Hi, > > We've spent a lot of time panicking over the budget, but one thing we > haven't done is learned just how much we can get from Swiss > organizations. (Two hypotheses being: global sponsorship is somewhat > constant, but perhaps we can get more local

[Debconf-team] Balmer's - checklist questions/disability access

2012-10-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
I ran the checklist questions past Balmer's, they've come back to us with the following detail: hostel building: over 100 years old, they can therefore make no commitment to compete with a modern purpose-built building on ease of access motel tents: as these are all at ground level, they may or

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp contract, 2012-09-27

2012-10-25 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 25/10/12 02:21, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Gaudenz Steinlin dijo [Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:33:26AM +0200]: > - Option of Le Camp sponsoring DebConf. If they reduce the price, we could list them as sponsors. I don't have high hopes that they agree to this, but we could at least t