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From: Tom Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Strawman. Hitler and Stalin weren't the same. However, they were both
> > socialists, which was my point.
>
> you're trying to prove a point by assuming it. come on, you can do
> better.
I'm not trying to PROVE anything. I'm DEFINING soc
>On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Petro wrote:
>
>> Choate wrote:
>
>> The only relevant question is whether they used force--in
>> this case the force of government to do this. In this case the answer
>> is "sometimes".
>
>At what point did MS threaten the force of government? They certainly
>threatened
Marcel Popescu wrote:
> > Claims that Stalin lost because he's now dead and that Pope Pius won
> > because his successors are breeding are a disservice to the debate.
>
> Only for someone who focuses on the highly unimportant physical aspect. The
> Pope never had the intention to conquer Russia w
Marcel Popescu wrote:
> Strawman. Hitler and Stalin weren't the same. However, they were both
> socialists, which was my point.
you're trying to prove a point by assuming it. come on, you can do
better.
At 5:22 PM -0400 4/9/00, Marcel Popescu wrote:
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>
>> >> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic
>> >> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many
>> > > divisions does the Pope have?"
>
Mr May said:
>At 11:27 AM -0400 4/8/00, Marcel Popescu wrote:
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>>From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic
>>> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many
>> > divisions does the Pope hav
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From: Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Ahem. And the rest of the people will just have to trust you. "Read my
lips:
> >the martial law will last for a very short time."
>
> Like I said, it was pie-in-the-sky.
>
> Until you know _me_ you have no measure to guage how long the proces
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From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic
> >> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many
> > > divisions does the Pope have?"
> >
> >Stalin. The Pope won.
> Really? And here we thoug
At 11:27 AM -0400 4/8/00, Marcel Popescu wrote:
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>From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic
>> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many
> > divisions does the Pope have?"
>
>Stalin. Th
At 07:09 PM 08/04/00 -0400, Petro wrote:
>Reeses Peices:
Sticks & stones - ah hell, Fuck You anyhow.
>>Try saying something good about Reagan, I wanna see if you can.
>
> He had good hair for a man his age.
The question wasn't directed at you. Since you've entered the forum, say
somethin
At 11:22 AM 08/04/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote:
>From: Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> It's pie-in-the-sky, but were I in the oval office, I'd declare martial
>> law, kill all the bureaucratic agencies that aren't authorized by the
>> constitution, burn the federal register, and put the states on
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From: Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ultimately Phill, there are those of us who have lived outside the USA and
> have seen the true face of what you call socialism. I'd venture to say,
> you haven't lived in say Romania. Ask Marcel Popescu for example about
> how things were
Sunder wrote:
>Sounds a lot like communism to me. Hell, if the "workers" commonly own
>something, it's communism. They don't work for themselves individually,
No, it's called "Employee Stock Purchase Plans" aka "Stock Options".
>monarchy, socialism, fascism, communism, dictatorship -
>> > Or should we debate the meaning of "is" also?
>>
>> how about the meaning of "socialist"? at the moment, your definition of
>> it seems to be "everything outside of my personal opinion".
>
>I would define it as, to secure for the workers by hand or brain the full
>fruits of their labour by me
Reeses Peices:
>Try saying something good about Reagan, I wanna see if you can.
He had good hair for a man his age.
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If the courts started interpreting the Second Amendment the way they interpret
the First
>But if you know of a better government to live under, might I humbly
>inquire as to why you CHOSE to live here? If I knew of a government
>which was more to my tastes, I'd make myself a citizen of it.
If they'd let you.
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A quote from Petro's Archives:
Burnes wrote:
>BTW: For 100 points name the three types of monopolies that can exist?
>Why can only one of them exist without govenment support? Why can
>only one of them exist temporarily?
Well, let's see if I can get this right, keeping in mind that
even though I'm a college graduate,
Choate wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Tim May wrote:
>
>> At 3:28 AM -0400 4/5/00, Tom Vogt wrote:
>> >Lucky Green wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those
>> >> celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man
>>(the USG) over
>> >> Micr
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From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic
> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many
> divisions does the Pope have?"
Stalin. The Pope won.
Mark
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From: Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It's pie-in-the-sky, but were I in the oval office, I'd declare martial
> law, kill all the bureaucratic agencies that aren't authorized by the
> constitution, burn the federal register, and put the states on notice -
> follow suit or else.
J
>I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those
>celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over
>Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux. Anyway, at its
I found this http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/okslip.html
toda
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From: Colin Rafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> In the real world, socialism is defined a little more tightly than
> that.
You failed to show me your definition.
> Of course, by your definition, every government is socialist
That was the point.
> This does not make them the sam
At 09:58 AM 4/6/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote:
>both nazis and socialists to go GREAT lengths to not be associated with
>each other.
So do the republicans and democrats here. Some aren't
fooled.
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From: Tom Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > The whole world is largely socialist, not only Europe, it's just that
the
> > percentage is larger in Europe than in the US. OTOH, Japan is probably
even
> > more socialist. And if we start adding China... [Reese, don't make the
> > mista
At 10:24 AM 07/04/00 +0200, Tom Vogt wrote:
>Reese wrote:
>> >that's the point: last year.
>>
>> No, the point is that whatever monopoly M$ might have tried to bring to
>> fruition, if they even did, is crumbling by simple virtue of the market
>> economy moving in a direction M$ can't go.
>
>may
Reese wrote:
> >that's the point: last year.
>
> No, the point is that whatever monopoly M$ might have tried to bring to
> fruition, if they even did, is crumbling by simple virtue of the market
> economy moving in a direction M$ can't go.
may I remind you that "last year" means: the year the la
Marcel Popescu wrote:
> I'm sure others will point out, but I fail to see the contradiction. You
> might be a nazi, and nazis are a subset of socialists. [And you definitely
> expose socialist ideas.]
as I said before, it's even more interesting to see most political views
cram all OTHER views in
Marcel Popescu wrote:
> The whole world is largely socialist, not only Europe, it's just that the
> percentage is larger in Europe than in the US. OTOH, Japan is probably even
> more socialist. And if we start adding China... [Reese, don't make the
> mistake of believing that only the government i
At 05:48 PM 06/04/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote:
>[Reese, don't make the
>mistake of believing that only the government is socialist; most people
>are - even those claiming to be capitalists will tell you that the state
>must do this and that.]
I see this as well, and get really upset at myself
At 11:46 AM 06/04/00 +0200, Tom Vogt wrote:
>Reese wrote:
>> >get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force"
>> >might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and
>> >b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical free market.
>> >
>>
>> Del
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From: David Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An interesting aside to this: If the average person isn't a little
> mentally deficient in this regard, how are the sales of books like
> "Word for Dummies" (or "Linux for Dummies" for that matter) and
> "Windows 98 for Dummies" expla
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From: Tom Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Of course not. They wouldn't. Europe is largely socialist,
>
> ROTFL
>
> let me guess: you've never been to europe.
The whole world is largely socialist, not only Europe, it's just that the
percentage is larger in Europe than in the US
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From: Tom Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> it's been amusing to follow these personal attacks. a few years ago,
> I've been branded as a nazi, now I'm a socialist - all by people I've
> never met and who haven't read anything by me but a couple mails. funny.
I'm sure others will po
David Honig wrote:
>
> At 09:57 AM 4/5/00 -0400, ... wrote:
> >Truth is, *NIX is too powerful - they fear the command prompt.
>
> Bull. They rightly loathe a user interface memorable only
> if you use it constantly. Which relies on recall, not
> recognition. And recall of cryptic spells, no l
At 09:36 AM 4/5/00 -0400, David Honig wrote:
>At 07:50 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote:
>How can you eliminate something that others like, without
>using force? Administer testing in elementary schools and
>re-educate the Torvolds and Stallmen?
much deleted
>Anti-trust laws are unconstitution
At 09:36 AM 4/5/00 -0400, David Honig wrote:
>At 05:52 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote:
>
> >get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force"
> >might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and
> >b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical
David Honig wrote:
> >get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force"
> >might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and
> >b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical free market.
>
> News flash: the universe doesn't owe you the number
David Honig wrote:
> Anti-trust laws are unconstitutional seizures of property
> by the state. Intervention where there is noone wronged --just
> a bunch of whiny CEO losers. And a socialist national mentality that loves
> to drag down the successful.
you're definitely on the wrong track there
At 07:50 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote:
>Microsoft for years has done everything they can do eliminate or delay
>competition.
So who doesn't? Eat or be eaten. Responsibility is to
investors.
>The sole intent is to reduce the actual number of options
>available to the consumer.
The sole
At 05:52 AM 4/5/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote:
>get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force"
>might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and
>b) resellers is far from what it would be in a theoretical free market.
News flash: the universe doesn't owe y
Tim May wrote:
> It isn't forced on everyone. I don't have or use Windows. (At least
> not since the execrable 1.0).
>
> Get your facts straight.
get real. while there are no guns involved, and thus the word "force"
might be debatable, the amount of choice available to a) end-users and
b) resell
At 3:28 AM -0400 4/5/00, Tom Vogt wrote:
>Lucky Green wrote:
>>
>> I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those
>> celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over
>> Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux.
>
>sorry if I m
Lucky Green wrote:
>
> I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those
> celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over
> Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux.
sorry if I missed anything, but who exactly wants to outlaw w
05, 2000 00:58
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully
> GetsComeuppance
>
>
>
> > GUILTY.
>
> > A federal judge appointed by Ronald Reagan, the most pro-business and
> > anti-antitrust president in r
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