Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers If I can add to Graham question- one of the things I am unhappy about with my auto-inflating life jacket is the lack of pockets. I always wear it when single handing, but I don’t always remember to grab a knife to keep

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Ahhh Wingnuts... in that case being clipped on killed them. Not the case study to which one should their behavior. It was a boat design issue. Just my .02 worth. Kindest Regards, Bruce 847.404.5092 Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone. > On Mar 30, 2017, at 10:51 AM, G

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Agreed, being very familiar with how your equipment works and regularly inspecting it for soundness is good practice.  The middle of an emergency is not the time to figure out how your gear works Anecdotes (or case studies) are data points that provide qualitative data.  It is correct that b

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

@cnc-list.com Cc: Dave Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers Agreed. Hence "Hopefully one would remember it in a panic." I had actually forgotten the knife in my spinlock was there, just re-noticed it last season. A "real" knife, bulkier and consist

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Agreed. Hence "Hopefully one would remember it in a panic." I had actually forgotten the knife in my spinlock was there, just re-noticed it last season. A "real" knife, bulkier and consistently used is not so easily forgotten. Both lifejackets have whistles also. One of the things I grappl

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 > Tierra Verde, Fl. > > > > > > > From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:43 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Tim Goodyear > Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers > > Agreed (

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Not aimed at anyone in particular: All plans and equipment are completely worthless without regular testing and practice. What you think is being prepared may be a fantasy that will lead to a well-planned failure. You need to find out by at least trying and using everything while conditions are

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

My spinlock deck vest has a tethered cutter in a dedicated pocket as standard equipment. Hopefully one would remember it in a panic. My salus coastal life jacket has big pockets that contain a tethered folding knife, and a small flashlight. Both are quite well designed imo. Dave. Sent fr

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

If I can add to Graham question- one of the things I am unhappy about with my auto-inflating life jacket is the lack of pockets. I always wear it when single handing, but I don’t always remember to grab a knife to keep in my pocket. I wish I had a way to keep the knife with the jacket. Are th

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

achie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl.  From: TimGoodyear via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:43 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Tim Goodyear Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers Agreed (don't go over), but if you do fall in the water, don't weara PFD that

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

m Cc: Tim Goodyear Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers Agreed (don't go over), but if you do fall in the water, don't wear a PFD that won't help... On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 7:36 AM, BillBinaList via CnC-List wrote: If you are being dragged in the water, you ar

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Agreed (don't go over), but if you do fall in the water, don't wear a PFD that won't help... On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 7:36 AM, BillBinaList via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > If you are being dragged in the water, you are probably dead, or soon to > be regardless of being face up or fa

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Of course many of you know this, but modern tethers have a snap shackle type connection at the lifejacket / harness for release under load (if being dragged for example). This required for offshore racing. Also, checkout Landfall Navigation for safety equipment.

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

If you are being dragged in the water, you are probably dead, or soon to be regardless of being face up or face down, or if the boat gets turned around and manages to even locate you. Set up your jacklines, etc, as if the water is really molten lava. Chances of recovery of someone who goes over

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Just a thought on the foam pfd's; if they are water ski/kayak activity vests, they probably won't keep you face up if you are unconscious (and not being dragged through the water by the jacklines). TimEx 35/3

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread.  Your sharing of your experience and expertise is much appreciated.  I know it's what we do here but thanks just the same :) On Monday, March 27, 2017 3:48 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: + 1 on what Joe said. If you read on t

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

+ 1 on what Joe said. If you read on the topic, most people (at least those who have some experience) agree that you should treat the toe rail as a 200 m cliff. The idea is not how to get back to the boat, but how to make sure that you never leave it. Marek

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Graham — the Eye Twist variant just puts a half twist in the web before stitching the eye; the twist referred to in the list discussion means putting twists in the body of the jackline before securing it, so that the twists stand proud of the deck, making it easier to clip on. I’ve generally sa

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

gear. Thanks again everybody, Graham -- Forwarded message -- From: Joel Aronson To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc:  Bcc:  Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:57:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers I've purchased the webbing from REI, but it is only 4,000

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

el Aronson To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc: Bcc: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:57:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers I've purchased the webbing from REI, but it is only 4,000 pound rated. I've used cleats and/or luggage tags. Joel

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

I used to have wire jacklines that I was always tripping over, so now I have nylon webbing and it is only out when I need it. As for tethers, anyone who has enjoyed a waterski crash where you somehow got tangled in the line knows being dragged at any speed for long is a death sentence. If you f

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

With a double ended tether you would have the option of rigging a jackline near the centre line of the boat all the way back to the cockpit or dodger, whatever creates the effective limit. A separate line might be necessary to get from the cockpit to the centre line jackline, but it would be mor

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

I'm certainly not an expert on the subject - but I'd suggest reading extensive info on the topic here  https://www.morganscloud.com/2017/02/27/the-right-tethers-to-keep-us-aboard-part-2-construction-and-hardware/ Yes it's a pay site - but Attainable Adventure Cruising

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

I've purchased the webbing from REI, but it is only 4,000 pound rated. I've used cleats and/or luggage tags. Joel On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Graham — it depends a bit on your boat’s setup; but basically you want the > backl

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: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers Graham — this is pretty typical of what many people use: https://www.karstsports.com/1-flat-webbing/ 6000 lbs breaking strength may seem like a lot; but after a few seasons of UV, it’ll be significantly lower than that. The knots at the ends will be lower

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Graham — it depends a bit on your boat’s setup; but basically you want the backlines to start and end about six feet from the ends of the boat, so you don’t get dragged behind the boat if you go over. On my boat, the previous owner put a padeye on the foredeck aft of the bow a ways; I use one c

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

n the US.Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 35 LandfallPadanaram, MA  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Young via CnC-List Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Graham Young Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers  F

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Young via CnC-List Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Graham Young Subject: Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers Fred, Bill, and Joel, Thanks for the quick and helpful responses. I was po

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Graham — this is pretty typical of what many people use: https://www.karstsports.com/1-flat-webbing/ 6000 lbs breaking strength may seem like a lot; but after a few seasons of UV, it’ll be significantly lower than that. The knots at the ends will b

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Fred, Bill, and Joel, Thanks for the quick and helpful responses. I was poking around on the Defender and West Marine Websites already this morning to get some ideas, but had no basis for making a choice.  Your responses will help.  If I do end up buying from Defender, will definitely wait for t

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Mine is a Kong also.​ Fred, thanks and you are welcome. Joel On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have a separate dedicated chest harness that I wear under my PFD. One > critical test is to make sure that you can release your tethe

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Graham, You should have a harness. You can make jacklines with climbing webbing and save a fortune. You need a double tether. The one I have is no longer carries by Defender, It was only about $75. The Defender sale starts in 3 days! On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Graham Young via CnC-Lis

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

I have a separate dedicated chest harness that I wear under my PFD. One critical test is to make sure that you can release your tether with either hand while your entire weight is suspended by the tether. You never know which hand will be functional during, or after a mishap. When weather is up

Re: Stus-List Jacklines/Harnesses/Tethers

Graham — for theaters, I have a Kong double; it’s a great piece of kit: http://www.pyacht.com/kong.htm I use it with my inflatable PFD with built-in harness: http://www.pyacht.com/cgi-bin/pagegen.pl?pr+musMD3082

Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

Hi Jonathan, My preference is outside the shrouds and use the "high" side for transit. I feel there is no clear consensus amongst skippers, seems pretty close to 50 - 50 which way to go with the jacklines. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 12:25 PM 16/03/2015, you wrote: I know t

Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

You don't need to run the jackline to the bow pulpit. I allow for my 6 ft tether and keep the jacklines inboard by using a padeye on centerline about 5 feet back from the bow. Because I have that padeye, I made my jacklines with a loop in the center (hand sewn) and a carabiner in the loop meant

Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

It really depends on the particular boat. Some boats have lots of deck outboard of the shrouds, some don't. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:25 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Every time I have used a jackline, it has been outside of the shrouds. > Since my

Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

Agreed. Inside shrouds sounds like a recipe for more time on deck, clipping and unclipping at a time when it is best avoided. Being able to quickly clip on and run forward ( the windward side) to clear a fouled sheet etc, presents a far lower risk, in my mind, to life and gear than having to move m

Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

I know the logic behind leading the jack lines inside the shrouds, (close to the centerline etc), but on the 35-5 I find the easiest way forward is to go outside the shrouds on the windward side. Most of my tethers are single point attachment, so I don't want crew using them to unclip at any tim

Re: Stus-List Jacklines on an LF 38

You may be thinking this already, but do you mean the toerail or cleat by the stanchion? I'd steer clear of attaching anything to the pulpit or stanchions themselves. Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Ag

Re: Stus-List jacklines for an LF 38

Bought webbing from REI. Joel On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Many thanks to all. Do you guys run line or strap, and what size? > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List jacklines for an LF 38

The Winchard LYF'SAFE JACKLINE kits are nice, if a bit pricey. The flat grey webbing has a reflective strip woven in and the kit comes with a pair of bulky S/S "buckle" of sorts with a glow in the dark cover that can be positioned as a stopper to keep a crew member from getting too far aft. Ken H.

Re: Stus-List jacklines for an LF 38

I am sure others will way in, but nylon webbing 6000# breaking strength is recommended by most racing bodies. Also, the strength will diminish in proportion to uv exposure, so we stow them when not on the boat. I run them to bow and stern cleats as others have mentioned since lack of backed pad eye

Re: Stus-List Jacklines

FWIW, I made our jacklines from 1" nylon webbing in 2003.  Following the wisdom from several sailing books, I started with single length of webbing in a contrasting color, (I chose blue) twice the length of the boat, and made a loop in the middle that I hand sewed to match the pattern seen in store

Re: Stus-List Jacklines and safety tethers

Our jacklines are flat nylon webbing in blue, in a Y.  I set them up tight, clipping a single Wichard carribiner to a deck mounted padeye 6 feet from the bow and run each leg down the side decks to a padeye just outside the forward end of the cockpit, near the toe rail.  You can click in while seat