Do it right and you may not have to fix again. Agree the keel probsbly aint
gonna fall off and The ss bolts and nuts are morr than adequate but some of
us just dont want to see thst ugly smile on the hard and let it could
widen. The fix is good and very much worth the small effort and expense
requi
Here's my write up, from when the repair was done many years ago:
Dropped the keel. Flushed out the keel bolt holes. The forward bolt hole
(which was under the mast) had a void around it, and a terrible smell when
it was flushed out. The yard ground the surface of the keel and the stub,
filled th
Good idea. No one wants that smile. I think what you (dennis) wrote up was
very helpful and it worked great for me. Anyone with “smile” issues on a
C&C yacht that they want to fix can follow that procedure and end up with a
smile on their face instead of at the keel/hull joint. Very beneficial and
Very nice of you, thank you Dennise. Definitely a good start.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 1:42 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Since the C&C smile topic seems to occur frequently, perhaps a generic
> document to explain the cause and repair could be developed and posted on
Al
See the C&C photo album story of "Liberty" repair same thing as Jason
but more complicated.
http://gkolc3.wix.com/liberty
Gary
Alan Bergen via CnC-List wrote:
> Jason:
>
> In 2004 I noticed the smile on my boat, when I
All puns intended?
*The smile never came back.
*On you or the boat or both?
--
Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
Armdale Y.C.
Halifax
On 3/22/2016 2:54 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List wrote:
Jason:
In 2004 I noticed the smile on my boat, when I hauled out. I could
also
Jason:
In 2004 I noticed the smile on my boat, when I hauled out. I could also move
the keel, so I knew I had a problem that wouldn't go away. I had the yard drop
the keel, and when they flushed out the keel bolt holes, a smelly substance
came out (like someone died in there). The forward keel
urse as stated here numerous times already … the smile is not a
> problem at all if the bolts are torqued
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Dave
Had a Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 that had this problem (built by George
Hinterhoeller who was likely the production head at C&C wh
ot a
problem at all if the bolts are torqued
Mike
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 7:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Thanks f
This is literally a 10 minute job if you don’t count the time to go buy the
sockets. Don’t stress over it. One thing you do need to check is the backing
plates. Mine were steel and well on their way to dissolving, so I got them
remade in stainless and lived happily ever after.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 3
Ryan,
You've already gotten several good replies. I guess you saw this:
"http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm";.
That's Touche', my 35-1. As others have said, torque the keel bolts. A
rental shop nearby may have a torque multiplier. You can get cheap large
sockets at Har
Well, first just check the torque specs and see if they are right. I would
not worry about freezing. If you are in the water, it is too deep down. If
you are on the hard, water will drain. Dry up the bilge, if you want to
feel good about it, seal up the smiles with a thin layer of 4200 or life
chau
Wow. This seems like a great forum. Thanks for the responses... And all this
time I've been slumming it over at Sailnet :)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Here's a write up I saved from Epoxy Works magazine published by West Systems.
Here's a write up I saved from Epoxy Works magazine published by West
Systems.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yV1JEN3YxQk1RbHc/view?usp=docslist_api
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Dec 7, 2015 4:11 PM, "Ryan Doyle via CnC-List"
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm brand
Ryan,
I’d be surprised if there was a problem with freezing. I know on my boat that
basically the water just drained out a few days after the haul. Others may chip
in here with better ideas which is the beauty of this list.
Were it me, and take that with a grain of salt given my track record of
Thanks for your reply Dave. Love the blog. Yes water ingress is certainly
a concern, but I have not noticed any rust bleeding out. I'm wondering if I
should wait until spring when I paint to torque the bolts. Or do you think
there's a risk of water ingress over the winter? I'm in NY, so she wil
Welcome to the list Ryan.
I’m sure that you’re worried about what may be going on with your keel bolts
with the crack and water ingress. I know that I was and I have to state, I let
my “smile” go for 15 years even after it was apparent when I bought the boat. I
turned a willful blind eye to the
Thanks Danny I appreciate it. I know I saw a forum on here about how to
fair and fill the crack. Going to take a look at that again.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:
> All I did on my boat was get a big socket wrench and tighten the bolts.
>
> Others will chip in soon wi
Don't think I would get too worried about that unless you have water
ingress around any of the keel bolts, if not just tighten the nuts to spec
then clean around the crack surfaces (maybe with an angle grinder) fill the
smile using epoxy and glass matte and fair
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna
I'm thinking you
could do the same. Danny
-- Original Message --
From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
To: "Della Barba, Joe"
Cc: Ryan Doyle , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C "smile" plus small separation
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 1
Thanks Joe. That's a relief to hear. I have not torqued the bolts yet,
but I plan to using the specs on cnc photo album. I can't stop picturing
the nightmare scenario of my feel falling off... like that Oyster off the
coast of Spain recently.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wr
All I did on my boat was get a big socket wrench and tighten the bolts.
Others will chip in soon with more involved repairs.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 4:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc
Hi,
The quote seem a tad high. I hope it includes a lot of other work too.
I repaired the smile myself on a C&C 29 back in 2011. I sold her back in 2014
smile free.
I tightened the keel bolts and used G/flex pretty much as described in the
message below. There are also several good dis
f Of Dennis C.
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:11 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
Torque the keel bolts, wrap a couple layers of biaxial tape over the joint and
go sailing. Should be under $1000.
Dennis C.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Harald B
Torque the keel bolts, wrap a couple layers of biaxial tape over the joint
and go sailing. Should be under $1000.
Dennis C.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Harald Braun via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hi, i have the C & C smile on my 1985 Mk 3 and want to know if anybody has
> r
The list archives are full of responses and experiences regarding your
question. After you follow the link below, check out the syntax of the
search criteria. You'll probably find it helpful now and in the future.
"Site:cnc-list.com" results in a search of just the cnc-list.com site.
https://ww
When I purchased my boat in 2011 there was a small smile. They cleaned it
out, filled it and wrapped in with glass cloth and resin. Total for the
repair was less than $700. My mechanic did the keel bolts.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote:
> 5 y
5 years ago my yard noticed a small amount of play in the keel on haul out. I
had had a "smile" for a few years prior. The yard dropped the keel and
re-bedded it etc. I have not had a "smile" since.
--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 09:38, Harald Braun via CnC-Lis
p;C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:17 PM
To: Robert Abbott; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C sm
cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Dan Mccorison'; 'Bill Bina'
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile fix - how I did it
And if you are in the northern climate and are pulling the boat out for the
winter, add a garboard drain plug to let water out of the bildge before it
freezes and causes
Second that thought. After a grounding 15 years ago, the repair used this
process and not a problem since
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, Octobe
Hi, Dan — welcome to the best place on the planet for owners of vintage C&C’s!
Stu has done us all a great service in taking over this list-serve since
SailNet and its old chat groups went under several years back.
I’m also on the Big Lake, but a little further east of you. Haul-out Monday…
Rob I sail from Duluth, Mn. Looking forward to asking questions, I'm sure I'll
have a lot of them. Thanks for the nice welcome.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:17 AM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"
> wrote:
>
> Ditto. Key is torquing the keelbolts.
>
> Pictures of Touché's smile are
Ditto. Key is torquing the keelbolts.
Pictures of Touché's smile are on the C&C photo album DIY section. Fix was
1999. No issue since
Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Dan:
>
> Congratulatio
The 25 is a great boat. A whole lot of boat for the money too
Congratulations!
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
DANIEL MCCORISON via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:05 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile
What he said.
Did similar on our J27 to seasons ago and never saw a crack since on
keel/hull joint
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:26 AM
To: Dan Mccorison; cnc-list@cnc-list.
And if you are in the northern climate and are pulling the boat out for the
winter, add a garboard drain plug to let water out of the bildge before it
freezes and causes more cracks.
Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C&C 38MkII
Newport, RI
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-
Thanks bill
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Bill Bina via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> I fixed mine about 10 years ago and it has remained completely fixed, despite
> a few incidents of groundings. I cleaned out the joint mostly by using a wire
> wheel chucked in a drill. That du
I fixed mine about 10 years ago and it has remained completely fixed,
despite a few incidents of groundings. I cleaned out the joint mostly by
using a wire wheel chucked in a drill. That dug a channel all the way
along the length of the joint on both sides and around the leading edge.
Then re-
13 8:33 AM
To: kenhea...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Ken
You are correct.
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/Phase2/garboard_drain.htm
At our club (Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club) a number of owners had installed
these oart
l. Our friends that had teh 25 liked this idea
and did the same on their C&C99
Mike
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Heaton
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:44 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile -
ailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Coleman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:10 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
>
> Find the lowest part of your bilge and drill a hole then epoxy a
&
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Coleman
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Find the lowest part of your bilge and drill a hole then epoxy a
Garboard Drain/
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
Hi Bill
If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the
point
of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the
keel /
sump seal itself to prevent leaks. Remember that the keel bolts are
stainless which w
ist.com]On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:00 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile - wet keel bolts
Count me among those with water constantly in the bilge. The past two winters
with the boat out of the water there has been no
evidence of
ike
>
> Nut Case
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John
> and Maryann Read
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
>
> Hi Bill
>
&
Just as in fixing a crack in a plaster wall at home, using only a filler
in the crack itself will never be anything but a temporay solution. The
crack has to be bridged with a patch that spans an area substantially
larger than the crack. Ten or so years ago, I got tired of revisiting
the same i
I had sea water in the bilge and checked the keel bolts. They needed
tightening. I undid each one and put a rubber "0" ring under each backing plate
before installing the nut and torquing. No more leaks. I'll do the one under
the mast this fall when/if I pull the mast.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF3
ent: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
>
> Hi Bill
>
> If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the
> point
> of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the
> ke
Bill
I have used G-Flex the past number of years. Prior to that I used 3M
Premium Marine filler (the blue stuff). G-Flex is marginally better.
The problem is not so much the smile as the fact that some keels move a
bit. On previous boat - George Hinterhoeller designed and build Niagara
26 it wa
: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C smile
Hi Bill
If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the
point
of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the
keel /
sump seal itself to prevent l
Mine hasn't leaked yet - but have you torqued the keel bolts? My boat had a big
smile when I got it last year. I hired a yard to redo things. They torqued up
the bolts, re-faired with epoxy and filler (and we did a barrier coat), and so
far so good (looking and feeling as closely as I can while
Hi Bill
If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the point
of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the keel /
sump seal itself to prevent leaks. Remember that the keel bolts are
stainless which will degrade when wet in an oxygen deprived environme
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
I have had ACE as my carrier for 10 years. Have had only one claim in 10 years
– where they paid for keel / stub separation to be repaired!
That, by itself, “paid” for 10 years of pot
_
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
I got the insurance company wrong...Heritage is an Insur
c-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:28:12 GMT
Okay,I had to chime in as I've decided on insurance. I got quote from BoatUS
of $728 and a quote from Heritage Marine Insurance for $387. Heritage
specializes in Old Yacht, namely o
Danny
-- Original Message --
From: Oban Lambie
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:47:49 -0600
Another perspective on boat insurance: I have a 29 mk1 which I purchased this
spring. � It's a $10k boat in
Another perspective on boat insurance: I have a 29 mk1 which I purchased
this spring. It's a $10k boat in excellent condition and also in Long
Island sound. BoatUS quoted me $550 or so per year for coverage. I use
Geico for my auto insurance and asked them for a quote as well. They
transferred
I've had my C&C 37 for over 10 years and it has always developed a thin crack
between haul-outs (every 3 to 4 years here in Southern California). Last
winter I had it hauled for bottom paint and the crack was a bit bigger, so I
had the yard do just what Alan suggested. They also replaced all o
rom: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of William Hall
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c&c smile and insurance
Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
Thanks!
On Thu, Aug
Congrats!
There was a recent thread on whether BoatUS was worth the extra money they
charge. If you are looking for inexpensive insurance start with your
auto/home insurer, as there will be multi policy discounts. Remember, most
carriers will run a credit check and it will show as an inquiry on
Western Long Island Sound, moving from Larchmont to Stamford.
Thanks!
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
> Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
> sure others will chime in with their suggestions. This Agent obviously
> doesn't know much about
Boat US insurance, or ACE. There are several others who know boats, I am
sure others will chime in with their suggestions. This Agent obviously
doesn't know much about sailboats.
Did this boat used to reside in Bay City? Where are you?
Bill Coleman
C&C 39
-Original Message-
From: cnc
I tightened the keel bolts and THEN got the survey ;)
That said, they're trying to make sure it is loose bolts and NOT the fiberglass
itself coming apart.
Joe Della Barba
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From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of William
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