Sorry Stu,
Forgot to trim the email of previous input!
sam
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From: Wade Glew via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 6:53 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Wade Glew
Subject: Stus-List Re: Lubricate Flexofold?
Mine is dry. So far.
Wade Glew
Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII
Lake of the Woods
On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 18:31 Sam Salter via CnC-List,
Flexofold folding 2 blade prop.
Do you lube it or leave it dry?
I’ve been leaving it dry but I’m open to suggestions/experience 🤷🏼♂️
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
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costs involved. If you want to show you
Yeah, my sheave box was bolted on!
sam
C$C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jan 30, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List
wrote:
This is a timely post. How do you access the sheaves at the top of the mast?
My masthead is welded completely. I have seen other masts where the t
I replaced my Rope/wire halyards with all rope about 12 or 13 years ago. But I
also replaced the masthead sheaves:
https://www.zephyrwerks.com/
I haven’t noticed any significant wear on the halyards.
When I replaced the sheaves I also rebuilt the sheave box at the top of the
mast. There were som
Google “Mainsail Gate”!
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jan 29, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Jean Forgues via CnC-List
wrote:
Bonjour
For my C&C27-5, I am looking for a mainsail gate that allows the sail slides to
slide past the gate entrance without falling out. The gate is about 7c
;
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:44 AM Sam Salter via CnC-List
>> wrote:
>> Rob,
>> The 2GMF timing is gear driven. There is no timing belt to change.
>
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The 2GMF timing is gear driven. There is no timing belt to change.
Sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jul 31, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List
wrote:
Jeffery,
Thank you for the explanation. I have a Yanmar 2GMF which I will assume
then is a non-interferen
It’s more than likely, either a bad ground connection on the engine (possibly
on one of the bell housing bolts on the back of the engine) or, after 30 or 40
years the untinned main battery/starter/solenoid wires have corroded up inside
the insulation near the connectors. Happened to me a few yea
71
Sam Salter
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List
wrote:
57.
Therapy
C&C 29-2
Solomons MD
Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List
>> wrote:
>>
>
> What is the youngest age in this
I had the same problem about 5 years ago!
After 40 or so years, it’s usually corrosion on terminals or untined original
wiring!
Check and clean the ground connection (usually on one of the transmission
casing bolts on the back of the gearbox).
After all these years, it may be prudent to change o
I’ve got the same (plate in rear cockpit and HIN on outside, starboard stern)
on my 1977 C&C 26!
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:38 PM, david--- via CnC-List
wrote:
Hull 35-2 #207 has a manufacturers plate at the forward end of the cockpit
well, as well as t
Rig Rite?
Sam Salter
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Eugene Cormier via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
Hi Folks, just wondering if any of you might know where to source an exit plate
for a C&C 24
from the mid-70s?
here's a pic of the starboard side of the mast
I went all rope (main and Genoa) around 2008 on the original (1977) aluminum
sheaves. Had no problems for about 5 years. I rebuilt the masthead sheave box
in about 2013 with custom delrin sheaves from the guy in Port Townsend (can’t
remember the name of the company)
Sam Salter
C&C 26 Liquoric
Sam Salter
Liquorice
1977 C&C 26
ZCC260780777
Ghost Lake
Alberta
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Those are called “Mast Gates”!
Do a search, there are a few sites that sell them.
I think Binnacle Marine also sell them.
Sam Salter
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:13 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List
wrote:
Same here. 2 pieces each side of track that screw inro mast
Chuck,
I have exactly the setup you describe.
It’s on my 26 - a smaller boat, but works flawlessly and was such an
improvement from the old horned cleat.
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Thursday, April 11, 2019, 4:14:14 PM EDT, Chuck Saur via CnC-List
wrote:
Happy spring!!??
As is the 26!
Sam Salter
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
Begin forwarded message:
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Date: April 8, 2019 at 6:47:03 PM MDT
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Did C&C ever use deck-stepped mast?
Reply-To: cnc-list@cnc-
Yanmar 2GM20F:
Lub oil: Wix 51334 (NAPA 51334) / Fram PH3593A / Purolator L14459
Primary fuel strainer: Wix 33166 / Baldwin BF825
sam
C$C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Nov 3, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Wade Glew via CnC-List
wrote:
Will Napa be able to tell me which Wix filter will fit my 2G
, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List
wrote:
I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any suggestions with a system
that won’t break the bank?
Chris
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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List
wrote:
Roller furler - Profurl
Roller furler - Profurl
sam
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List
wrote:
Gotcha!
Roller furling or hank on Sam?
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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List
wrote:
Chris,
I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails
nts which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List
wrote:
I have a 1977 C&C 26.
I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.
The 26 wasn’t raced much; the 27 is still competitive!
Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard and put away wet.
That’s w
p
(don't want to confuse the two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT,
I have a 1977 C&C 26.
I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.
The 26 wasn’t raced much; the 27 is still competitive!
Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard and put away wet.
That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition than all the 27’s
I looked at.
The 26 is a tender boat!
She d
Kyle,
I have a 1977 C&C 26.
Your engine looks like a raw water cooled Yanmar. (Mine is a fresh water cooled
2GM20F)
As previously stated, the 2 large black gate valves are cockpit drains.
The red hose at the front of the engine is the raw water inlet to the water
pump. The water out will be ejec
As David said:
It’s a boom bail for use with a roller reefing boom. Can be used for: the vang;
the mainsheet; or anything else that needs to attach to the boom while the main
is wrapped or partially wrapped around the boom.
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:07 PM
Check the ground connection first, mounted to one of the flywheel cover bolts.
Clean it up and retighten. They corrode over time.
If that doesn’t fix it, I’d replace the thick battery to starter wires and
connectors. 36 years is a fair life for those electrical cables and they
corrode inside the
My boat’s only a 26, but when I replaced the traveler track (6 or 8 years ago?)
that’s on the bridge deck, just in front of the companionway, I put in a Harken.
Hole spacing and clearance for the cars in the slot were the main
considerations.
Harken makes a track with a longitudinal slot running
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> That's right. The cell antenna is also the GPS antenna. Or you can buy a
>> separate GPS dongle.
>> I just upgraded from a 3 to an Air 2. Big difference in performance!
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 a
Big difference in performance!
>
> Joel
>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List
>> wrote:
>> It’s about time to upgrade my iPad from the original model - nothing much
>> works anymore!
>> I originally bought it, way back, to run iNavX
It’s about time to upgrade my iPad from the original model - nothing much works
anymore!
I originally bought it, way back, to run iNavX using the internal GPS alone,
independent of cell towers. Since the original model’s GPS was configured
differently than current models, can someone confirm tha
Yes - wot you said :-)
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
> On Dec 29, 2017, at 11:16 AM, andrew rothweiler via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Hello Tim,
>
> Here is a follow up question regarding the Monte Carlo scenarios- is the
> Monte Carlo calculation reset and/or updated periodically
Try Holland Marine or Southshore Yachts
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
> On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Gordon Ackland via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> I need to replace the prop strut on my ’73 C&C 30 (Cassini) and looking for
> some advice going forward. Has anyone found a company th
Kyle,
I’’eve got a 1977 C&C 26 and the boat came originally with a stove.
I’ve since replaced it with a 2 burner Force 10 propane stove which fitted
right in the hole, almost exactly.
It was located (by C&C) outboard of the sink on the other part of the “L” on
the starboard side. Long side runnin
The concern is that synthetic (with their detergents) will clean out the ring
grooves and cause excessive blow-by and increase oil burn.
Regular diesel oils - even single weight oils - have had detergent additives
for many years. Certainly since I was an apprentice (in the '60's). So unless
the
Another solution, and avoiding a mast gate altogether, is to use a jack line on
the lower half dozen mast slugs.
Sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sam Salter wrote:
>
> They sell them on line:
> http://www.mastgates.com/
>
> - one example.
>
> sam
>
They sell them on line:
http://www.mastgates.com/
- one example.
sam
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to
> machine from aluminum..Tired of
Wasn't this post originally about a 27 traveller track?I have a 26. Replaced the original pin stop track with a Harken.It fit perfectly in the slot in the bridge deck and left plenty of room for the new harken tra
Dennis,You really need to get out more!
They both "depower" the main but it's not the same thing going on:
As the wind builds it pushes the max draft in the main aft. This increases
drag until it slows the boat and increases heel. The Cunningham brings the max.
draft forward again to make the aerofoil more effective. It increases lif
My thoughts are:
When you drill a hole with a hole saw it’s going to be a little larger anyway.
But I don’t see the need for clearance – you want a fairly tight, solid fit.
Lots of “goop” (...a technical term!) doesn’t seal any better. The seal is one
molecule wide between the hull and sealant a
Using tape and starting in reverse to drill a neat hole through gel coat is
good advice.
Depending on where you drill, you might get balsa core, especially above the
waterline (not sure if the 35 has a cored hull)
I don't think silicone has any place on a boat. I'd use Sikaflex. (I'm not keen
o
I think the void filling approach is right.If your chainplates are the same as mine, they are actually mounted proper to bulkhead(s) inside the boat. The deck you are looking at is not supporting any part of the m
...and wipe the teak with acetone before you glue to get the oils out of the joint.
Go sailing!
I've got a 2 blade flexofold (13x11 I think) - paid $1200 a couple of years ago.This prop is better in forward and reverse than my previous 3 blade fixed. Performance sailing is outstanding compared to the fixed.
I second or third the ground! Had that problem for a few years. Engine was dead on the start button, until 3rd or 4th press and then would fire up suddenly. (2GM20F)Bad ground to the trans. case. Cleaned it up and
Looking at this as an engineering problem (I don't have a 30-2) - explain what I'm missing:Top of the mast is more or less fixed (fore and aft) by the forestay. Sure, it will move back an inch or two when it takes
I've got original white/blue/orange tartan cushions in my C&C26 1977.
I took the covers off and had them dry cleaned - came up nice.
The foam inside has some pieces glued to the front edges to support under your
knees. Might come apart under washing!
sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
Bit late but...I have a 26 with a cascading 4:1 Outhaul on the outside of the boom and a loose footed main. Accessible from the tiller.I can easily adjust draught depth under load beating to windward.sam :-)C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta
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The GPS on the newer iPads share the cellular antenna. Hence the need to get the high end iPad with cellular (even if you don't intend to install a chip!)Not the case with the original iPad (although the GPS stil
Came on this thread late, so if this has already been said, sorry!I changed my halyards to all rope years ago, and used the same rope/wire sheaves. No noticeable wear on the new line...and none on my hands either
Rig-Rite NY
Do a search!
sam :-)
Original Message
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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Stuslist
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Alan Liles
Subject: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting
Preparing to remove my rig, I found the gooseneck fitting (toggle?) worn aro
Thanks guys, that’s plenty of information to locate what I need!
Where do you guys get the very low viscosity resin that soaks into wood end grain?Thankssam :-)C&C 26 LiquoriceGhost Lake Alberta
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I bought a Sailrite LSZ1 sewing m/c in 2005 so I could make a dodger for my C&C 26. It developed into a sail repair & canvas business that supports my boat mtce and my charters in the tropics!I support what Graha
s
around here...I don't remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my
C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points of
sail
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter
as my max speed. When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. David Donnelly C&C 26 Mistress Sent from my Samsung device-------- Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-li
I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on
optimizing my sail plan.
Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d
play around with the sail plan.
Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually th
When I was in the BVI’s in November and Antigua in January, some of the charter companies were offering Wi-Fi on the boats. Don't know the price 'cause I didn't take the option. sam :-)
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2GM20F - I’m about to replace the mixing elbow - got the part.
There’s a pipe joint between the mixing elbow and the exhaust elbow that screws
into both parts.
Do I screw this piece in dry or (more likely) use some sort of sealant?
If I need sealant - what do you guys suggest?
I’ve got a tube
Patrick,
$2k is a small price to pay for all the future enjoyment you can potentially
get out of "The Boat"
Unless you were thinking of selling and getting out of sailing before this
discovery, I'd invest the money.
It won't increase the value of the boat, but it sure will make you happy when
y
The hose from pump outlet to heat exchanger is quite a complex shape, with
some tight clearances around the pulleys. I'd fork out for a Yanmar hose (I
did). If the first one lasted 30 years, this one will probably see you out.
sam :-)
Original Message
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Have you checked with Rig-Rite, they always seem to have what I'm looking for?
sam :-)
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Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List MkV Pintle and Gudgeons
It i
A home got trashed here in Calgary a few weeks ago.
I think it was around $200K in damages. (AirBnB came up good for it though!)
sam :-)
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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:30 PM
To: CnC
Cc: Kevin Driscoll
Airbnb is excellent. We occasionally host and travel using
Smoke, Harder to StartIt's black. Jim WattsParadigm ShiftC&C 35 Mk IIIVictoria, BC
On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: What does bad lubri
What does bad lubrication oil look like?
I had a similar problem 3 seasons ago. It was bad or corroded connections and wiring. 35 years is pretty good, but everything needs replacing eventually. I replaced all the major electrical lines around the batte
http://www.hhns.ca/
âWasn't it called "Smoke White "?
Mike,
Just looked in my 2GM20 parts manual:
121000-42100 is a replacement water pump with impeller/bearings/gasket and
pulley flange that bolts into the thermostat casting as a module. THIS IS THE
ONE YOU WANT!
128695-42010 is as above, but also includes the thermostat casting that above
b
Rig-Rite / Holland Marine / South Shore Yachts
sam :-)
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Subject: Stus-List Mast on c&c 33 MKII
I've tried a search and am una
âI did this on my 26 about 6 years ago. Originally I just replaced the line as I didn't have the mast down. The sheaves were in okay shape and the wire / rope sheaves didn't chew up the new line. When I had the
...so was I
I put mine on the spreaders, halfway along, underneath.
Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, they go
straight down, and work fine.
I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a crossed drain
will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels and work less well.
So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit d
Most things crack after 35 years or so!
sam :-)
On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List
wrote:
> C&C must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that
> way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked.
>
> Brent
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg.
No, you’re right.
The last time I was on “Photoalbum” it was there.
Guess it’s been longer than I remembered.
sam :-)
From: Robert Gallagher
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:23 PM
To: Sam Salter, CnC
Sam,
I thought those forums had been gone for a while. I just looke
I'm easy either way.
I'll go with the majority.
sam :-)
On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List wrote:
> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have
> a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list
> (like this one).
>
> PROS
DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Re
http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29&elqaid=15257&elqat=1
Interesting reading!
If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax l
Got back from 2 weeks sailing Antigua at the end of January and thought I'd
share with the list:
If you've had enough of the BVI's - I know that's hard to imagine - Antigua is
a different experience. We enjoyed it so much, we're booked up to go back in
November.
Sailing is a bit more like open
I've not used them yet, but previous Threads about hatches on this list have
suggested these guys too:
http://hatchrepair.com/
(Hammerhead Nautical Systems)
I believe the owner used to work for A&H (not sure about that last bit!)
sam :-)
C&C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On 2015-02-24, at
doubt that this is
an engineered in property. Maybe Rob can comment on that?
As a mechanical engineer I can say I've replaced my windows using Sika, and am
happy with that decision.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-02-12 5:17 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List wrote:
Engin
Engineers know stuff! sam :-)
Forgot to add C&C in the "to" line!
âNot sure if this helps, but Flexofold recommended 2 blade 15 x 9 for my 26.I ended up putting on a 2 blade 13 x 11 because I don't have enough clearance between shaft and hull. Drives the boat to hull speed.
,
Dan Utinske
C&C 26'
Dan
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Sam Salter
via CnC-List wrote:
I'm sitting
here in a bar on the dock in Jolly Harbour, Antigua.
The boat
we’re sailing doesn't have one and I must admit I didn't miss it
I'm sitting here in a bar on the dock in Jolly Harbour, Antigua. The boat we’re sailing doesn't have one and I must admit I didn't miss it - you can work around it and the sailing priorities are different. But I have one on the 26 and I have a jack line.I wouldn't be without it! I use it all the
I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and "escape " hull speed. (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! )
I've got a 13.5hp 2GM20F In my 26, with a 2 blade Flexofold.It squats too, and I get black s*#t all over the lower part of my transom.I'm sure a 1GM would have been enough, but it was in there when I bought the boat.
I was using "zincs" as a collective noun.Magnesiums or Aluminums doesn't trip off the to tongue like "zincs ".
My zincs are spherical with a 7/8" hole. Yours may have a different shaft size so check. They are available at any chandlery. If you have to replace the prop, this might be the time to upgrade to a folder. I recently replaced mine with a 2 blade Flexofold. Better speed under sail in light air, imp
Friend of mine uses it on his boat.
We bought it in Portland and drove it across the border.
Declared it as boat parts!
sam :-)
From: CnC
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 2:44 PM
To: Robert Boyer, CnC
Bob:
Our boat is in saltwater.I used Micron CSC for many years
t would be great to take her out of the water and put in a very large temperature controlled workspace. :) The Pacific Northwest while mild, can be quite wet.Dan On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Dan,I don't think a blackwater sy
Dan,I don't think a blackwater system came as standard on a 26. I think it was just pump overboard. Late '70's wasn't that eco-friendly. However, my blackwater tank
âI've been using Rotella 15W40 in mine for the last 10 years. I'm not sure you can even buy straight 30 weight oil anymore .
The fresh water cooled 2GM doesn't have any zincs. I bought my parts and sâervice manuals from Torresen Marine.
Not sure what the article Rob was reading was about, but I was in the merchant
navy (British) when I first left school, and we burned what was (...and still
is) called bunker fuel, in our large marine diesels. It was thicker and
dirtier, if I remember correctly, than the diesel you buy at gas st
There's nothing to this GPS navigation :Sail in the white ; Anchor in the blue ; Drink in the brown!How difficult can it be?
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