I'm sorry, but I find the whole "donate" thing a little
off-putting. I've just started looking into Clojure, and the thought
that the key developer might just stop working on it doesn't exactly
give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Now the evaluation will have to include
looking at the community, and tryin
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:26:03 -0800 (PST)
Santhosh G R wrote:
> > You warn that you learn languages "just for the fun of it". I would be
> > curious to know how much time you spent learning Clojure...
>
> I have been working with Scheme for the past 5 years.
I think this is a critical element!
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:44:02 -0500
Luc Préfontaine wrote:
> Mike, I think that the whole issue about Lisp creates a big cloud about
> Clojure.
Yes, it does. When I mention that, people tend to shudder.
> If you sum up Clojure as being a Lisp because of what it look likes and
> use only this to
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:07:43 +
Martin Coxall wrote:
> For each line that is not within a vector, and does not have an opening
> parenthesis, infer an opening parenthesis at the start of the line. Remember
> the level of indentation, and infer a closing parenthesis at the end of the
> line
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:22:22 +
Martin Coxall wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2009, at 13:50, Stefan Kamphausen wrote:
> > * Reason. They could have been taken away in more than 50 years of
> > history. Guess what, they are still there.
> Guess what? NOBODY uses Lisp. Because of those parens.
You've over
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:55:13 -0800 (PST)
IslandRick wrote:
> Can anyone here offer some advice to those who are too ingrained in
> using an object-oriented hammer on every nail they see? I know Rich
> and Stuart have some good design examples around (I've read many), but
> if there are any tutori
First, an aside: I was pleasantly surprised to find that the defmulti
dispatch function could itself be polymorphic. Well, surprised isn't
the right word - I half expected it to work. But it's always nice when
new tools follow POLA.
Which leads to a question where Clojure doesn't seem to follow PO
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:59:53 -0800 (PST)
Jason Wolfe wrote:
> > That doesn't seem to be possible - I can't find a function that
> > accepts a PersistentStructMap and returns the symbol passed to struct
> > so it knows the keylist to use for the arguments. Nor could I find the
> > magic incantatio
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:01:35 -0800 (PST)
nathaniel wrote:
> BTW, does anyone know what kind of GC algorithms (reference counting
> or thread- based or what) are used by other Lisps?
Reference-counting GC's in most LISPs are pretty much a thing of the
past. Between needing to do cycle detection a
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:45:43 -0300
Angel Java Lopez wrote:
> I would like to add Ada exception management. I don't know if there were
> previous work on the field. Any info? I worked with Algol, but I don't
> remember if something like exceptions was present those days. Any early Lisp
> exception
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:01:20 -0800 (PST)
ngocdaothanh wrote:
> Scala has Lift with many advanced features:
> http://blog.lostlake.org/index.php?/archives/16-Web-Framework-Manifesto.html
> http://blog.lostlake.org/index.php?/archives/25-Why-the-world-needs-another-web-framework.html
There are defi
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Julian wrote:
> Matt Raible - Spring Expert and Java consultant posted the following
> entry to Twitter:
> "Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"
How about two reasons to learn Clojure instead?
1) Clojure is (a) LISP. According to Eric Raymond, "LISP is wo
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:08:45 +0200
Miron Brezuleanu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:14 AM, ajay gopalakrishnan
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I usually debug by adding println statements. How can I achieve the same
> > effect in Clojure. I don't think I can introduce println at arbit
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:25:39 -0800
ajay gopalakrishnan wrote:
> I dont mind using println. The problem is that needs to be inside a do or
> when ... and that is not really part of my code. When the time comes to
> remove the prints, i need to remove all these do blocks too. I can leave
> them as
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:11:50 -0800 (PST)
mac wrote:
>
> On 25 Jan, 06:50, Mark Engelberg wrote:
> > Debugging techniques, including:
> > * How to make sense of Clojure's stack traces.
> > * How to use Java debugging and profiling tools with Clojure.
>
> +1 for this. I haven't had the energy to
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:08:18 -0800
Raoul Duke wrote:
> > You can sometimes avoid the use of a macro by using alternative evaluation
> > strategies, whether that's provided by odd calling semantics, by pervasive
> > laziness (e.g., one can implement `if` in Haskell using a function), or by
> > man
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:56:05 -0800 (PST)
Francis Lavoie wrote:
> I found that blog post that make a comparison between python and
> clojure.
> http://www.bestinclass.dk/index.php/2009/10/python-vs-clojure-evolving/
Note that the author has several of his facts wrong about Python, and
looks at no
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:25:47 -0800 (PST)
Constantine Vetoshev wrote:
> On Feb 6, 1:06 pm, Peter Schuller wrote:
> > But the practical issue
> > remains that if I want to write some software that I want sysadmins in
> > various situations to want to use effortlessly (in my case, a backup
> > tool)
I've got two questions about namespaces; one is pretty
clojure-specific, the other possibly more related to java's classpath
stuff.
First, is there either a way to use names that exist in clojure.core?
I.e., if wanted variable called map, can I get it somehow? If not, is
there an idiom for such na
So, the next question - possibly another name-space question.
Is there any way to tell if inside a .clj file if it was invoked as a
script by clojure.main, vs. being loaded for use elsewhere?
What I'd like to do is make my unit tests usable in two modes: While
working on a bug, I'd like to be abl
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:32:45 -0800 (PST)
ataggart wrote:
> On Feb 14, 6:47 pm, Mike Meyer 620...@mired.org> wrote:
> > So, the next question - possibly another name-space question.
> >
> > Is there any way to tell if inside a .clj file if it was invoked as a
> &
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:13:28 -0800 (PST)
Daniel Werner wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2:12 am, Mike Meyer 620...@mired.org> wrote:
> > Wouldn't be hard to do, either. Just bind *script-name* (or some such)
> > to the path in script-opt, and let the client decide if it's the sa
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:35:03 +0100
Michał Marczyk wrote:
> On 16 February 2010 02:12, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
> > To bad. It's really handy, especially as it starts trickling into
> > system modules. You get one file that provides the simple command line
> > usage plus
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:27:34 -0800 (PST)
"sailormoo...@gmail.com" wrote:
> Hi :
>
> Say, I have a (def *a (ref {:b [{:c 5}]})) .
> I want to add 1 to the :c inside, how would I write?
> (Note: the value 5 is in (:b 0 :c), while 0 is the array index)
>
> (dosync (alter *a __ )) ; ple
In working through a recent project, I realized that Clojure has a
nice collection of functions for working with maps. However, it
doesn't seem to have analogues of some of the important sequence tools
(filter and map most noticeably, probably others).
Given that map will take a map as a collectio
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:09:29 -0800 (PST)
Base wrote:
> Hi All -
>
> So this may be an extraordinary dumb question (even for me...) but is
> there such a thing as a map with compound keys?
>
> For example lets say that I have a data set that looks like
>
> CatGender item-Id'
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:28:05 -0800 (PST)
kuniklo wrote:
> One of my least favorite things about common lisp was the degree of
> nesting it required for sequential variable definitions. For common
> code like this:
>
> (let (a vala)
> (b valb)
> ... do something with a & b...
> (le
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:42:04 -0800 (PST)
uap12 wrote:
> Hi!
> I have installed ClojureBox with Emacs.
> I test to write stuff, direct in the REPL, so is there som easy way of
> get the function defined out,
> i know i should write them in a src-file first but i would be nice
> when just testing t
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:18:50 -0800
Richard Newman wrote:
> This is an interesting point, though -- does "unless" communicate
> something slightly different to* "when not", despite being
> functionally identical? And is the distinction important enough to
> justify a move towards a confusing
Anyone doing milters in clojure? Are they reasonable to do on the JVM?
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:47:09 -0800 (PST)
cageface wrote:
> I've been reading through the examples of "OO" in clojure using multi-
> methods and they certainly seem very flexible and powerful. I'm
> wondering, however, how people handle interface & library design. If
> people can implement "objects
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:20:56 -0800 (PST)
Armando Blancas wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 2, 8:34 pm, Sophie wrote:
> > Do I design a single "World" ref whose state changes with time to
> > different worlds, so adding a new Applicant or even adding a new Skill
> > to an existing Applicant results in a new W
animals]
(map (fn [{:keys [animal sound number-of-feet]}]
(map #(hash-map :animal %1 :sound %2 :number-of-feet %3)
(split animal #"\s")
(split sound #"\s")
(split number-of-feet #"\s")))
animals))
which
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:21:50 -0700 (PDT)
Sean Devlin wrote:
> > I'm having an interesting (to me) question around a using REPL. Once
> > it's shut down, where does this code go? I feel like I'm in the old
> > TRS-80 volatile coding days where you write some code, and if you shut
> > down you've
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:26:24 -0700
Terje Norderhaug wrote:
> >
> > *) InterLISP and some others were more like SmallTalk, or MS BASIC, in
> >that you edited code at the REPL and saved the entire
> >workspace. That did add power - I've never seen a file-based LISP
> >whose error handler
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
strattonbrazil wrote:
> I'd like to separate my ui Swing/JOGL from the content, so my code is
> relatively unaware of the UI around it. For example, I create a
> global context that holds on my content. I then make a UI that when
> the user does some int
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:31:58 -0700
Josh Stratton wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Mike Meyer
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
> > strattonbrazil wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to separate my
Ok, I'm not a copyright lawyer. I have spent a lot of time over the
past three decades looking at licenses, and talking them over with
lawyers, so I'd have no qualms acting on the advice below. But if
you're serious about this, you need to talk to a real copyright
lawyer.
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:44
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:36:42 -0400 Aaron Cohen wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Phil Hagelberg wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike Meyer
> > wrote:
> >> 5) Can I distribute a jar file for my Clojure project und
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
Mark Hamstra wrote:
> Craig,
I'm not Craig, but he's not answered yet, so...
> I enjoyed you presentations, but I have a bit of a tangent question.
> I'm still new to slime, so it's not a comfortable environment for me
> yet. What I am wondering is how
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT)
MarkSwanson wrote:
> >> You can no
> >> longer take a generic approach to information processing. This results
> >> in an explosion of needless specificity, and a dearth of reuse."
>
> > For this reason, I've always found appealing languages which let you
On Sun, 02 May 2010 13:06:56 +1000
Alex Osborne wrote:
> e writes:
> > Can you imagine how disruptive it would be at this point to do it the
> > other way around? If you were starting out today without any Lisp
> > baggage, it seems TOTALLY obvious to me that lists would have been (1
> > 2 3), a
On Sun, 2 May 2010 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT)
Jarkko Oranen wrote:
> On May 2, 11:14 pm, Mike Meyer 620...@mired.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, 02 May 2010 13:06:56 +1000
> > To get behavior similar to the vector constructs, you want to use
> > list, which works like vector, except
On Wed, 5 May 2010 23:22:06 -0700
gary ng wrote:
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
> > I'm deeply suspicious of such a behaviour. Why would + on a
> > date mean adding days? Why not hours? minutes? seconds?
> > months? years? I would always prefer plus-days over such a
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> > > On May 7, 2:13 am, Mibu wrote:
> > > Am I the only one driven mad by the new auto-appended signature to
> > > every message in this group ("You received this message because you
> > > are subscribed...")? It started on April 16th. Is there a way a
> > >
On Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:53 +0200
Peter Schuller wrote:
> > I am running the following command line:
> >
> > c:\apps\jdk1.6.0\bin\java.exe -server -cp "C:\apps\clojure-1.2.0\\lib
> > \clojure-1.2.0-master-SNAPSHOT.jar;C:\apps\clojure-1.2.0\\lib\clojure-
> > contrib-1.2.0-SNAPSHOT.jar" clojure.ma
On Sat, 15 May 2010 22:13:17 +0200
Peter Schuller wrote:
> > Which leads to the question: what's in Blah.clj? In particular,
> > there's nothing in clojure that automatically run things in the script
> > file; you have to explicitly invoke the main function at the end of
> > the script. If you don
On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
Base wrote:
> Hi All -
>
> I am trying convert a function to use loop/recur and am getting the
> dreded
>
> "java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Can only recur from tail
> position (repl-1:414)" error
>
> (at least dreded for newbies...)
The "tail
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> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:21 PM, rob levy wrote:
> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:37 PM, David Blubaugh <
> > davidblubaugh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Has anyone yet ported clojure to the android cellphones at this
> >> time ?? I want to develop applications f
On Sun, 23 May 2010 06:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
faenvie wrote:
> today i read this statement in a blog-post:
>
> "... remarkably (La)TeX is much better suited for composing and
> distributing most types of documents than any other modern
> word processor on the market that I am aware of. Just like
> pr
On Mon, 24 May 2010 11:50:41 -0700 (PDT)
faenvie wrote:
> hello mike,
> hello tim
>
> thank you for this detailed insights into your experience
> and knowledge.
>
> lately i had to implement a generator for a big catalog of
> products and i used docbook for it, but that was not a
> satisfying e
On Wed, 26 May 2010 19:47:25 +0200
Peter Schuller wrote:
> > chomp => rtrim
> > (rtrim "foo\n") => "foo" is much more clear to me, plus it leaves the
> > door open for trim and ltrim functions should the need arise.
>
> I like this. And in general I often fine the entire trio useful, and
> adopt
On Thu, 27 May 2010 09:47:58 -0400
Tim Daly wrote:
> Bill Hart, from the Sage project, said:
> "Another thing I've been enjoying lately is literate
>programming. Amazingly it turns out to be faster to
>write a literate program than an ordinary program
>because debugging takes almost
On Mon, 31 May 2010 10:53:45 +0930
Antony Blakey wrote:
>
> On 31/05/2010, at 10:44 AM, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> > also lets not forget about LD_LIBRARY_PATH issues,
> No Mac or Windows user would encounter these.
You forget that the Mac is a Unix box. It supports LD_LIBRARY_PATH. In
an ideal wor
Is there still any activity in the clojure-android space? The
clojure-android mail list is largely inactive, seems like the developers of
lein-droid haven't done anything in months (1.7.0-r4 is still used in the
templates), and the numerous references If ind for an android-clojure web
site are
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:33:30 +0200
Konrad Hinsen wrote:
> Constructors calls translate directly to Java constructor calls, meaning that
> the number of arguments must be known at compile time.
>
> Assuming your constructor takes a fixed number of arguments, the easiest
> solution to your proble
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
BerlinBrown wrote:
> I don't think tiobe is all accurate index of anything. But when you
> look at the actual rankings, they seem to line up, especially for the
> mainstream languages.
>
> I could see where Delphi ranks high on the list. "Go" is a little
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT)
Steven Devijver wrote:
> On 8 jun, 05:47, Daniel wrote:
> > These notation arguments are compelling.
> >
>
> I'm not convinced. The notation would only work for literals, and how
> often would one write literal complex numbers?
>
> For non-literals the no
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Steven Devijver wrote:
> On 8 jun, 16:38, Mike Meyer 620...@mired.org> wrote:
> >
> > Why? It isn't supported for rationals or exponents. Or are you
> > claiming that because we support "3/4" we should also support
&
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:12:52 -0700 (PDT)
Jason Smith wrote:
> Why not just treat is as a vector, do vector math operations on it,
> and be done with it? 1+2j is equivalent to [1 2]. 1+2j represents a
> 2-D vector, does it not? Not only does this handle imag
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:24:08 -0700 (PDT)
Quzanti wrote:
> You can use recur to build a hierarchy. What do you mean by you can't
> use it as it is not the last statement?
Exactly that. recur in some sense terminates the current call, and
hence is required to be the last statement in the call.
>
"Nicolas Oury" wrote:
>On the other hand, having boxed by default is a very significant slowdown
>(10% on the strange program I tried, that had already a lot of annotations,
>probably 20% or more on most programs), that can never be addressed : you
>can't write annotations on every single line o
"Nicolas Oury" wrote:
>I tried it on my program. Very few arithmetic, most of it with annotation.
>10%
Can we see the source?
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:00:39 +0100
Nicolas Oury wrote:
> There is a bit of arithmetic involved everywhere, and around 2-3 double
> operations per function in the part choosing the instance of rule to apply.
That still sounds arithmetic-heavy to me. In looking through my code,
I find three differ
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:43:36 -0400
David Nolen wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Mike Meyer <
> mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Were those real world programs, or arithmetic benchmarks? Most real world
> > programs I see
While I generally favor correct over fast (worrying about fast before
you're correct is a good sign that you're engaged in premature
optimization), I'm still trying to figure out the tradeoffs
here. Especially since most LISPs & other dynamic languages don't seem
to run into this issue - or at leas
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:20:48 +0100
Nicolas Oury wrote:
> Not "ordinary" code. 10^19 is big.
No, Aleph-2 is big. Any non-infinite number you can name in your
lifetime is small ;-).
Pretty much any time I really need integer speed, I also deal with
numbers that can get much larger than 10^19th, b
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:27:05 +0100
Nicolas Oury wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Pretty much any time I really need integer speed, I also deal with
> > numbers that can get much larger than 10^19th, because I tend to be
> > doing combinat
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:13:07 -0400
David Nolen wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Michał Marczyk
> wrote:
> > (defn fact [n]
> > (loop [n n r 1]
> >(if (zero? n)
> > r
> > (recur (dec n) (* r n)
>
> Huh? That doesn't look like it's going to work at all.
>
> 1) 1 is pr
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:40:13 -0400
David Nolen wrote:
> Mark and Mike you fail to address my deeper question.
Maybe because you've failed to ask in your hurry to claim code is
non-idiomatic or calling our example rhetoric.
> I've been using
> many different Clojure libraries all day long with t
"Rob Lachlan" wrote:
>Actually, Mike, your two functions work just fine. (Equal branch).
>Mind you I checked that out over two hours ago, so this information
>might be out of date.
>
>Rob
>
>On Jun 19, 6:59 pm, Mike Meyer > (defn count-in [value col]
>
"Rob Lachlan" wrote:
>Because the compiler is upset that it doesn't know what n is. r is a
>long, but n is ???. The following works:
>
>(defn ^:static fact [^long n]
> (loop [n n r 1]
>(if (zero? n)
> r
> (recur (dec n) (* r n)
>
>Or see Dnolen's version above. But yeah, I
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:27:01 -0400
David Nolen wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Luke VanderHart > wrote:
>
> > anything that would mean I'd have to explain the intricacies of
> > primitives, boxing, hinting and casting in an "Intro to Clojure"
> > course. As much as humanely possible,
"David Nolen" wrote:
>On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Mark Engelberg
>wrote:
>
>> My favorite option of those proposed is:
>> +, *, -, inc, dec auto-promote.
>> loop/recur is changed so that primitive bindings are boxed.
>> +',*',-',inc',dec' give error upon overflow.
>> A new construct, loop'
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:34:44 +0100
Nicolas Oury wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Daniel Gagnon wrote:
>
> > If we base the decision on the average guy not writing high performance
> > numeric apps, then we should also base it on the fact that he does not need
> > more than a long in 99
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:44:04 -0700
Mark Engelberg wrote:
> The new uber-loop is fantastic.
>
> So I guess the main point still to be finalized is whether the default
> arithmetic ops will auto-promote or error when long addition
> overflows.
I think calling them "default" gives the wrong idea h
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:46:05 -0400
Rich Hickey wrote:
> ---
> The claim that this primitive stuff is just for numeric-intensive
> applications is outrageous and false, and ignores the implementation
> of Clojure itself to an embarrassing degree. I've worked my tail off
> to reduce th
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:56:30 +0100
Nicolas Oury wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mike Meyer <
> mwm-keyword-googlegroups.620...@mired.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Everyone has to realize the math you are advocating for the default,
> > > on non-ta
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:07:39 -0400
Garth Sheldon-Coulson wrote:
> I would, however, like to throw some support behind Mike Meyer's suggestion
> that the arbitrary precision numeric tower use names like add, sub, mul,
> div, inc, dec, while the "default" ops keep the symbolic names. I think it
> w
> 1. Have you written, or are you writing, a web application that uses
> Clojure? What does it do?
roman candle is a web app designed to let me control X10 plc
components from any web-capable device, using the X10 firecracker
controller. It's still in very early development, and hasn't been
given
[Not really about enhanced primitive support - more about optimization
on the jvm.]
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:47:26 -0400
David Nolen wrote:
> Yet consider this, If I'm writing OpenGL code in Penumbra I will have quite
> a bit of code that amounts to the following:
>
> ; 630 msecs
> (dotimes [_ 10
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:36:31 +0200
Michael Wood wrote:
> On 25 June 2010 12:27, Tim Robinson wrote:
> > I tried Clojure via Githhub today.
> >
> > Anyone notice this bug that hadn't existed in Version 1.1
> >
> > user=> #{:item1 {:a "A" :b "B"} :item2 {:a "A" :b "B"}}
> > java.lang.IllegalArgume
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:31:57 -0400
Stuart Halloway wrote:
> Duplicate keys in maps/sets are disallowed in literals and factory functions,
> where data is generally literal & inline and therefore likely represents
> coder error:
>
> ; all disallowed
> #{:a :a}
> {:a 1 :a 2}
> (hash-map :a 1 :a
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:37:32 -0400
Stuart Halloway wrote:
> (2) The need for both flavors. If there wasn't a flavor that rejected
> duplicate keys, somebody would surely ask for it.
I guess it makes as much sense as anything, given that you don't want
to get into -unique or some such.
But it d
I'll reiterate a question I asked a while back, but was never answered:
Are the bit-bashing operators (bit-*) going to get the same treatment
as the arithmetic operators? I would expect that many of the fields
that benefit if the latter to be fast would also benefit from the former
being fast, and
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"Nicolas Oury" wrote:
>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:59 AM, B Smith-Mannschott
>wrote:
>
>> This was suggested on the previous thread on this topic as well, but
>> I don't think it was pointed out that *Java already does this*.
Doesn't matter if clojure is boxing
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:54:34 -0700 (PDT)
hsarvell wrote:
> I tried to find something in core / on Google to do this but didn't,
> here is what I have anyway:
>
> (defn lst-to-map [lst]
>(reduce
> (fn [hsh chunk]
> (assoc hsh (first chunk) (last chunk)))
> (hash-map)
>
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
cageface wrote:
> When I read about new "features" in other languages that would be
> simple macros in Lisp I just have to smile:
> http://docs.python.org/dev/reference/compound_stmts.html#with
Many in the Python community consider this an advantage of Py
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
cageface wrote:
> Python definitely seems to be the product of a very different design
> philosophy than Lisp. I've always felt it was too prescriptive.
> Omitting features that *might* be misused in an effort to keep the
> language simple seems to have ba
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
José Luis Romero wrote:
> Hi! I am learning the core of clojure, and so far, I am loving it. But
> I am not a lisp programmer (python, java, among others), but never
> functional programming. I am practicing with codingbat.com, coding the
> exercises on cl
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:58:01 -0400
Greg wrote:
> This weekend I've been diving head-first into Clojure, and I've documented a
> lot of the sticking points that I've run into as a n00b.
>
> I'd like to share them with the community here, in the hopes that we might be
> able to improve the getti
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
cageface wrote:
> On Jun 28, 11:09 am, Daniel Gagnon wrote:
> > That feature would *not* be a simple macro. It isn't simply a call to .close
> > on whatever object, it's an arbitrary cleanup procedure on any object that
> > implements the feature. The who
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:13:27 -0400
Daniel Gagnon wrote:
> > This is the question I had on the blog post- what is meant by a "newbie"?
> > Specifically, what sort of newbie is Clojure wanting to attract? One of the
> > "complaints" the original poster had was that you had a choice of editors.
> >
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
cageface wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:04 pm, Mike Meyer 620...@mired.org> wrote:
> > The Python approach leads to more readable
> > code:http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/papers/readability.html
>
> You don't seem to be very sympath
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:17:04 -0400
David Nolen wrote:
> There is some truth to what you say. Java does bring quite a bit of
> incidental complexity to the table but I think between lein and clj these
> are being addressed well. They are not "officially sanctioned" but in the
> case of lein, it's u
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:40:57 -0400
Lee Spector wrote:
>
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Brian Schlining wrote:
> >
> > Was the CLJ project (http://github.com/liebke/clj) mentioned on this
> > thread? It seems like it might be handy for those who want to teach Clojure
> > in the classroom. It h
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT)
cageface wrote:
> On Jun 28, 1:10 pm, Mike Meyer 620...@mired.org> wrote:
> > Not true as I understand "the Lisp way". You also need to reread the
> > last paragraph again.
> I actually agree with you that the typ
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:42:33 -0400
Daniel Gagnon wrote:
> >
> > Wrong/Misinformed ideas:
> > - Clojure 1.1 is not out of date. While it may seem to an outsider that you
> > need to be on 1.2 you would be very wrong. 1.2 certainly brings great things
> > to the table but they are built upon having
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
Jason Smith wrote:
> I just have to mention that what some people on this thread are asking
> for may just not be feasible. The Java legacy behind Clojure can't
> realistically be hidden. Nor should it be.
>
> Clojure is very tied to the JVM, with all i
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:19:26 -0400
Lee Spector wrote:
> The editor issue is key when we're talking about an environment for newcomers.
Yup. The ideal situation should be to let them use whatever text
editor they're comfortable with. You really only need two things for
writing clojure code: paren
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