Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] MS style alt tabbing

2022-12-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
be losing that… -- Matthew R. Trower > On Dec 29, 2022, at 19:22, cyrus torros wrote: > >  > Hello, I am wondering if anyone has devised any hacks to have MS style alt > tabbing in CDE? > > also, I am wondering if it is possible to use enhanced motif window manager >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Resource use

2022-12-28 Thread Matthew R. Trower
20MB, and it’s not fair to count that against CDE. -- Matthew R. Trower > On Dec 27, 2022, at 23:46, thinkunix via cdesktopenv-devel > wrote: > > Here are my actual stats, well under 200 MB. > > CDE 2.2.3 on Slackware 14.1 x86_64 > IBM desktop with Intel Pentium 4

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Resource use

2022-12-27 Thread Matthew R. Trower
terribly wrong. You’re sure it’s CDE taking the resources, and not other programs on your machine? Can you supply more concrete information? -- Matthew R. Trower > On Dec 25, 2022, at 18:30, cyrus torros wrote: > >  > Good day all. I know this place is a grave yard, but I have a qu

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Switching from ksh93 submodule to subtree

2021-06-22 Thread Matthew R. Trower
I agree; submodules are a hassle and always seem to go wrong for me somehow. I’d rather see it in-tree. -- Matthew R. Trower > On Jun 21, 2021, at 18:16, Christopher Turkel > wrote: > > Go for it! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 21, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Jon

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH][AUTOTOOLS-CONVERSION] add generated manpages

2020-01-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
-CONVERSION] add generated manpages On 1/26/20 12:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: Well, if building manpages is truly a considerable slowdown, I guess I wouldn't be opposed to optionally forgoing compilation in favor of pre-gene

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH][AUTOTOOLS-CONVERSION] add generated manpages

2020-01-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Well, if building manpages is truly a considerable slowdown, I guess I wouldn't be opposed to optionally forgoing compilation in favor of pre-generated files.  But the idea of only having pre-generated pages, and losing the ability to build from source, does not sit well with me.

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

2020-01-18 Thread Matthew R. Trower
From: j...@radscan.comSent: January 16, 2020 9:06 PMTo: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released On 1/16/20 7:24 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: DtAppBuilder is a bit weird, and not my niche to commen

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

2020-01-17 Thread Matthew R. Trower
rhaps job out HTML display to an external viewer? I think it already supports opening messages in a text editor...-Jill On 1/16/20 10:06 PM, Jon Trulson wrote: On 1/16/20 7:24 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: DtAppBuilder is a bit weird

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

2020-01-16 Thread Matthew R. Trower
DtAppBuilder is a bit weird, and not my niche to comment on.  As for DtMail...If it had IMAP support I'd be using it today.  It's actually always irked me that I can't.  It has some rough edges, but those can also be smoothed.  It doesn't do HTML mail, but not everyone even wants HTML mail.I haven

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] [AUTOTOOLS-CONVERSION] make ksh build, update to ksh93v-beta

2019-11-16 Thread Matthew R. Trower
y still seem to lack support for aix, hpux, oracle solaris and minix (for which I want to port to once the blockers for the debian package are taken care of). Thank you for your time, -Chase ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, November 15, 2019 8:06 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] [AUTOTOOLS-CONVERSION] make ksh build, update to ksh93v-beta

2019-11-15 Thread Matthew R. Trower
On the subject of Meson... Back when we were determining which build system to transition to from imake, autotools was selected for its wide wide range of platform compatibility. Meson was considered at that time. The thing about Meson is that it depends on python3.5 and ninja. Ninja in part

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] [autotools-conversion]

2019-11-01 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Forgive my ignorance Jon, but what's the trouble with cpp? Shouldn't the platform C compiler (GCC, SunPRO, or whatever else) provide a suitable C preprocessor? And why does using autotools rather than make affect the situation? What am I missing? -mrt   Original Message   From

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Time for a new release?

2019-09-12 Thread Matthew R. Trower
I would say, since the code isn't a current threat, let's take a moment to wrap up a few of those items. 3) It's been a while since I've looked at the codebase. I'll take some time over the next couple of days to make sure things are building and running right on my Solaris-descended systems, a

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Some untested patches.

2019-08-10 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎3) it wasn't just you. Keypad has always been broken for me in dtterm, and more annoyingly, dtcalc. When I looked (briefly) at the code some time back, it seemed like there was support, so I don't know if this is some configuration problem, or what.‎ ( I haven't looked at your patch, and am jus

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] sdtedit freely available ?

2019-06-27 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎> $ strings /usr/dt/bin/sdthotkey|grep dtwmrc > $HOME/.dt/$LANG/dtwmrc > $HOME/.dt/dtwmrc > /etc/dt/config/$LANG/sys.dtwmrc > [...] > I'd think those would be just be a search path for valid spots CDE might  > merge in configuration. Am I wrong and dtwm only wants a single-master > dtwmrc? I hav

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] ArchLinux Build

2019-04-01 Thread Matthew R. Trower
β€ŽIs your build of CDE relatively recent? Jon removed tooltalk's reliance on /etc/hosts some time ago, IIRC.-mrt

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Back in the flock

2019-02-22 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎On pollution of the build process: I care.‎ I do not know that that makes any practical difference, but you are not alone. Certain mainstream platforms get easier with these processes. The rest bog down, become crotchety, or just flat out don't work. Sounds like ksh is going to be (even more o

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Back in the flock

2019-02-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Additionally, ninja or meson would ‎severely restrict platform support. CMake could be alright.

[cdesktopenv-devel] Shellcheck regressions

2018-10-31 Thread Matthew R. Trower
This patch fixes up some additional regressions introduced in the various shellcheck patches. -mrt >From 547d54af0ae89f20d4febdd896323f73aa2ebd17 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 07:31:21 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Fix various regressions

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The dtdocbook problem

2018-10-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
It's normal for documentation for these types of projects to be distributed in its source form, as it's part of the project sources. Naturally we want to retain that long term. The manpages won't be straightforward to ship pregenerated. The DWB tools (roff, etc) are cross-platform compatible, so

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] ttsnoop: tail +0f

2018-10-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
I'm really not familiar with this program, so I don't know how to test it. But, here is the patch. -mrt >From cde735937250835f7d0af716af76e65d311b1edc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 21:16:39 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Restore origin

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] post_install: Fix shellcheck warnings

2018-10-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
7;ve given plenty of information on the situation anyway. Sorry to spam the list. -mrt d...@blackshard.net (Matthew R. Trower) writes: > ... my apologies; in the interest of precision, I mispoke here: it > doesn't actually *break* installation per-say; it spits out alarming > amo

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] post_install: Fix shellcheck warnings

2018-10-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
@blackshard.net (Matthew R. Trower) writes: > I'm sorry to report that with this commit, installCDE.src:CleanDaemons() > is utterly broken. It doesn't work at all on any platform, and breaks > installation on non AIX/freebsd/openbsd/netbsd/linux platforms (eg: > sun). On

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] post_install: Fix shellcheck warnings

2018-10-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
any POSIX 2004 platform, BSD, and AIX). -mrt >From 0757fd6f740514bc1e9396aaa727f0ee2f52c40e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Repair and simplify installCDE.src:CleanDaemons() --- cde/admin/IntegTools/dbTo

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Use installed X11 includes and libs

2018-10-25 Thread Matthew R. Trower
This just cleans up the UseInstalledX11 logic. It flips the existing master toggle in site.def instead of overriding it for each platform. -mrt >From d19bfde88ea2d8f5e4c9fb201bbe9764c13de1b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 05:38:28

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The trouble with Tcl

2018-10-25 Thread Matthew R. Trower
hese variables will probably soon be obsolete anyway. -mrt >From 569e419d7c3f7c713cbdfd5ffb89fe5e8b0351f3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:51:52 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Add default TCLLIB, and allow override in host.def Restores build on

[cdesktopenv-devel] ttsnoop: tail +0f

2018-10-25 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon, Regarding commit 392356f6b48c12d8ee3fda4f1a75641dbcfa98c2 ... Whereas `tail -f` displays the last 10 lines of input before entering follow mode, `tail +0f` displays the *entire* input before entering follow mode (the number is the line of input to start on). I'm not certain what the context

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Merge dbtoman/instant with dtdocbook/instant

2018-10-24 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon, After I get Solaris building again, I'm going to take a stab at upgrading the docs system to modern docbook. In the past I've resisted removing in-house components in favor of external dependencies, but I recognize that there's a difference between maintaining a quality codebase and stomping

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Disable building of tcl on linux

2018-09-19 Thread Matthew R. Trower
What a mess. Thanks for soldiering forward, Jon. Yeah, UTF-8 is long overdue.‎ If I might ask, how *is* Tcl being used?‎ I've been wanting to add an (optional) extension language to dtwm; is Tcl the obvious project-wide choice, or should I just make my own selection? -mrt   Original Message  

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Docbook

2018-08-01 Thread Matthew R. Trower
the defects, and maybe, fix a few dozen of them for kicks :) -jon On 08/01/2018 07:03 PM, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel wrote: > I believe he is referring to this online linter: https://scan.coverity.com/ > > > Thank you for your time, > -Chase > > ‐‐‐ Original Messag

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Docbook

2018-08-01 Thread Matthew R. Trower
12:09 To: Matthew R. Trower Cc: Marcin Cieslak; cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Docbook On 07/31/2018 08:47 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > Jon Trulson writes: > >> On 07/31/2018 07:53 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >>> Jon Trulson writes: &

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Docbook

2018-07-31 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 07/31/2018 07:53 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> Jon Trulson writes: >> >>> Not a clue. I think ultimately we would want it to generate HTML and >>> just use a web browser for both help and the guides. >> >> I'd real

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Docbook

2018-07-31 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Not a clue. I think ultimately we would want it to generate HTML and > just use a web browser for both help and the guides. I'd really hate to see that. * DtInfo is part of CDE. * DtInfo (like all of CDE) is very lightweight. * DtInfo provides index and search capabilit

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Refactor and reimplement dtudcfonted

2018-07-31 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Chase writes: > I guess I'm just having trouble understanding what I must do > differently, does my patch simply need to be rebased and the commits > deleting dtudcfonted can be reversed on your end, or do I need to > manually readd all the previous files by hand from a previous version > and rep

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Use packaged nsgmls

2018-07-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Chase via cdesktopenv-devel writes: > The reason I chose opensp instead of sp is simply because when I tried > installing sp on Lubuntu, it gave me an error saying "Package sp has > no installation candidate", although it is in the debian repos, so I > don't know whats happening with that. I also

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Refactor and reimplement dtudcfonted

2018-07-30 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Chase via cdesktopenv-devel writes: > To be honest, I don't know how I would go about doing this, help would > be appreciated. Is it at least pheasable to revert the previous > commits and apply this one? I put a lot of work into it. My git > workflow consists of master and then a custom branch w

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Use packaged nsgmls

2018-07-29 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Is it better to keep the current nsgmls until we know whether all of > the supported platforms are working before removing it? ie: Introduce > support for running the system version (and not building the CDE > version) in one patch or patches. Then when we are ready, we ca

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes

2018-07-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
- mrtFrom: alxSent: Friday, July 20, 2018 03:41To: Matthew R. Trower; Richard L. Hamilton; Jon Trul

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes

2018-07-19 Thread Matthew R. Trower
ll be able to make use of that. > On Jul 19, 2018, at 22:25, Jon Trulson wrote: > > On 07/19/2018 08:15 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> Hi Jon, >> Do I understand correctly that dtapp is meant to function in the same vein >> as open, xdg-open, gnome-open, etc? >> As

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes

2018-07-19 Thread Matthew R. Trower
ubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes On 07/19/2018 08:15 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Do I understand correctly that dtapp is meant to function in the same vein as > open, xdg-open, gnome

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis' desktop_approots tarball, with some changes

2018-07-19 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Hi Jon, Do I understand correctly that dtapp is meant to function in the same vein as open, xdg-open, gnome-open, etc? As in, I can type $ dtapp mypic.jpg And my picture will open up in some suitable image viewer? If so, might you consider continuing this naming convention‎ by naming it dtope

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Wiki changes

2018-07-03 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > I admit to ignorance when it comes to recent Sun/Oracle offerings and > spinoffs... By all means, feel free to correct/adjust/clarify when you > can. I think both the SolarisBuild and OpenIndianaBuild pages need > updating as to content as well. I don't use either of those

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Wiki changes

2018-07-03 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > I just wanted to let everyone know about some of the changes I made to > the wiki over the past couple of days in preparation for the next > release. > > Feel free to debate, point and laugh, etc :) Fool! Mwuahahahaha! ... Oh, did there need to be a point to that? =) >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-27 Thread Matthew R. Trower
d...@blackshard.net (Matthew R. Trower) writes: > How do we handle fonts right now? I know we install aliases since the > originals aren't available... But, say I use both C and ja locales on > the same machine; will / can CDE use a (different) appropriate font for > each, or do

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Alright, here's the patch. -mrt >From 9121aba9ec8786d52c54b3847d187ad960d0ce6d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 22:47:09 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Fix DtMail compilation on Sun with GCC --- cde/programs/dtmail/dtmail/FindDialog.C | 2

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 06/26/2018 08:08 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> Jon Trulson writes: >> >>> Should I expect a patch from someone for this? >>> -jon >> >> I'll send one in. While I'm at it, tell me this - would you prefer to &g

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 06/26/2018 04:23 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> Jon Trulson writes: > Yes... At the time the JP locale was very important -- that and some > unsupported CN locales are probably what prompted the push for MB work > in CDE... (not UTF of course,

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Wiki cleanups

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > When you get the time to clean up the wiki (hopefully before release), > could you please remove the various broken links to dropbox? > > The Wiki let's you upload images and the like, and reference them so > there should be no need for external images. > > I saw a few place

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Should I expect a patch from someone for this? > -jon I'll send one in. While I'm at it, tell me this - would you prefer to keep detection logic, using system strcasestr where we think it is probably available, or just use our custom strcasestr on all platforms? -mrt ---

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Brent Busby writes: > Robert Pangrazio writes: > >> Just to put it out there, currently I have CDE running on Ubuntu 16.04 >> using multiple monitors. I have a few xrandr commands in my .dtprofile that >> configures my 3 monitors and arranges them - even rotating them, and it >> works great. I e

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Brent Busby writes: > d...@blackshard.net (Matthew R. Trower) writes: > >> My experience was that when using fetchmail (or getmail, or dtmail's >> builtin IMAP), you cannot leave messages on the server. If you do, they >> will be repeatedly fetched, causing much

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Ulrich Wilkens writes: > On 06/19/18 22:56, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> DtMail attempts to detect whether the non-standard strcasestr() is >> available, and defines it if it is not. Unfortunately, the detection >> code is imperfect. Fortunately, we can make it a

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Robert Pangrazio writes: > Also, I have used dtmail with GMail/IMAP using a local relay via > procmail to sync it to the local mailbox. Sending was via a local > sendmail relay. Worked great. I think the bigger issue is the lack of > HTML support. I couldn't read a lot of my emails because of it.

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 06/25/2018 07:40 AM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> Jon Trulson writes: >> Hey, as it turns out, XRandR is supported just fine through the current >> multihead code (as much as multihead works at all, anyway). So that's >> cool news.

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
José Carlos Carrión Plaza writes: > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > What about using libcurl for IMAP/POP with SSL support? We wouldn’t reinvent > the wheel... ...but we might build our own wheel, instead of borrowing another. =) Neither IMAP nor SSL support should be difficult, and I don't see th

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Motif version incompatibilites

2018-06-26 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Ulrich Wilkens writes: > On 06/13/18 07:22, Ulrich Wilkens wrote: > > I have now finished the test of the patch. It runs fine on all platforms. > Unfortunately site.def and sun.cf have changed in the meantime. > So I'm afraid it won't apply anymore. > @Matthew: Can you recreate the patch? Hmm, i

[cdesktopenv-devel] Modernization and re-tooling

2018-06-25 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 06/20/2018 06:46 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >>> As for dtudc*, why? Who needs it? >>> If you really want it, there is no reason it could not just be >>> maintained outside of CDE as a separate project -- just requiring a >>>

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] You guys are driving me nuts with ideas

2018-06-24 Thread Matthew R. Trower
I can say with confidence that I doubt the CDE authors ever saw that coming in 1990. -mrt   Original Message   From: Henry Bonath Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 13:45 To: Pete Lancashire Cc: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] You guys are driving me nuts with id

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove Apple unix support

2018-06-24 Thread Matthew R. Trower
For what it's worth, imake is included in the CDE source tree. We don't use a system binary.‎ There's no need to install it from MacPorts. -mrt   Original Message   From: Richard L. Hamilton Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 10:47 To: Matthew R. Trower Cc: CDE development Subject: R

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove Apple unix support

2018-06-24 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Not unless your Macintosh was manufactured 1987-1990 and runs A/UX ;) -mrt   Original Message   From: Richard L. Hamilton Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 10:29 To: Chase Cc: CDE development Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] [PATCH] Remove Apple unix support > On Jun 24, 2018, at 11:00, Chase via cde

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Proposing an official release in two weeks

2018-06-23 Thread Matthew R. Trower
ge ‐‐‐ On June 23, 2018 5:57 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: I ‎would think we should cut new releases when we are ready to do so, rather than after an arbitrary amount of time. Some projects (ex. Debian, Firefox, much commercial software) that have very frequent commits benefit from a set release sc

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Proposing an official release in two weeks

2018-06-23 Thread Matthew R. Trower
om> wrote:I vote yes.On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 8:56 PM Matthew R. Trower <d...@blackshard.net> wrote:Affirmative. -mrt   Original Message   From: Jon Trulson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 17:55 To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] Proposing an official release

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Proposing an official release in two weeks

2018-06-22 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Affirmative. -mrt   Original Message   From: Jon Trulson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 17:55 To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] Proposing an official release in two weeks As the title says, I'd like to propose a "stable" release of CDE in two weeks. cde-next

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Marcin Cieslak writes: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Jon Trulson wrote: > >> On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: >> >> The next release will be 2.3, because things. >> >> Autotools will take a while, before it's functional. There are many steps to >> building CDE, it will not be a trivial task to re

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
> As for dtudc*, why? Who needs it? > If you really want it, there is no reason it could not just be > maintained outside of CDE as a separate project -- just requiring a > X11/Motif/CDE dev environment to build. Is there some strong reason we need to kill it? I understand why there might not be

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Imake is dead, and I see no point in trying to "take over" and improve > it. Autotools (as others have also mentioned in this thread) is the > way to go moving forward. We might be able to leverage some of the > work X11 did there as well. Well, my expectation was that we

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > I used the first patch. The second one failed for fbsd/clang (static > definition should only be in class definition, not function > definition). Gcc didn't complain. At anyrate, applied to master. Oh... Yeah, SunPro warned me about that being an anachronism. I didn't wa

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎I don't think imake is so bad, but it does have its limitations. If the consensus is that we should move to autotools (the only reasonable alternative that I'm aware of)‎, I would be willing to take a stab at the

[cdesktopenv-devel] Minor corrections and cleanup to sun.cf

2018-06-19 Thread Matthew R. Trower
2.11 == Solaris 11 So it's not Solaris 5.x, but SunOS 5.x and Solaris 2.x. The original text was correct here. -mrt >From a281af9426eee4be5a41406ccc6500cf3ebad605 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 23:10:39 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Min

[cdesktopenv-devel] strcasestr detection patch

2018-06-19 Thread Matthew R. Trower
:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 15:25:20 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Resolve inconsistent strcasestr availability on Sun --- cde/programs/dtmail/dtmail/FindDialog.C | 4 ++-- cde/programs/dtmail/dtmail/FindDialog.h | 5 + 2 files changed, 7 insertions(+)

[cdesktopenv-devel] Solaris SMF service

2018-06-18 Thread Matthew R. Trower
sable your current graphical login manager first, as it will conflict, and dtlogin will refuse to enable. Support for ttserver and friends to follow. Enjoy =) >From 7c39c132eb2ae2f628d69d2d01795976daf3ca79 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Migration to UseInstalled

2018-06-16 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 06/15/2018 09:11 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >> Hey Jon, I see that you've started working on this a bit. >> >> I had a look at your commits (as I also have an interest in this space), >> and I'm watching this hardcoded line grow: &g

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] 3 (possibly) simple wishes

2018-06-16 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Antonis Tsolomitis writes: > (c) On the window menu other than Move, Size, Minimize, Maximize, > Lower, a very useful addition is > "Always on top". A video, or news is playing on an "always on top" > window and you work > on something else. Or you copy-paste from a lower window to the > "always

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] 2 (possibly) simple wishes

2018-06-16 Thread Matthew R. Trower
"Richard L. Hamilton" writes: > On Jun 16, 2018, at 05:59, Antonis Tsolomitis > wrote: > > A right click for menu and a click on Open is again 2 clicks. The issue here > is to cut down the > clicks > to 50%. All other common desktops I know of, support one click to open. > > Right press an

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] imake gcc version detection (sun)

2018-06-16 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Ulrich Wilkens writes: > In the meantime I've setup a new system with Hipster 2018.04 and can > reproduce the problems. Oh, excellent! > I've solved most gcc6 problems by setting _XOPEN_SOURCE to 700 like the > other platforms already have. And by raising the mentioned numbers to 8. > Both is qu

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] imake gcc version detection (sun)

2018-06-15 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > What gcc6 issues did you have? I fixed some for FreeBSD, maybe it > works for you now? Alright, here's the deal. GCC>4 turns on C11 mode by default. It's a standards error to compile an XPG5 (or older) application with a C99 or newer compiler. Sun systems actually call

[cdesktopenv-devel] Migration to UseInstalled

2018-06-15 Thread Matthew R. Trower
that there's a shiny, smart config system buried under years of grime, just begging to be let out =) -mrt >From 9e6f486473e59796d07e82fd58feefb73ee1bb18 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:34:43 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] Condense templated

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] imake gcc version detection (sun)

2018-06-15 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Chase via cdesktopenv-devel writes: > We really ought to stop patching our version of Imake and just start > using the ones prepackaged in Linux, *BSD and Solaris, would make all > our lives much easier and the code smaller and more maintainable. Has it been so large a burden? I see 4 patches i

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] imake gcc version detection (sun)

2018-06-15 Thread Matthew R. Trower
6 issues did you have? I fixed some for FreeBSD, maybe it works for you now? -jon On 06/15/2018 01:31 AM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > Hey, I got a clean build out of GCC =) > > --- > > CDE on Sun, when built with GCC, uses whatever GCC binary is in the > path. This is good and

[cdesktopenv-devel] imake gcc version detection (sun)

2018-06-15 Thread Matthew R. Trower
, I'm almost done; I have two more (minor) patches planned and then I'll be set for release. -- Matthew R. Trower >From 4225fbd44001b847df98f69f6a7389355b3eba62 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:15:01 -0500 Subject: [PA

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] nsgmls symbol collision on illumos/OpenIndiana

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
nder -Wundef on > non-studio c compilers... Certainly! -- Matthew R. Trower >From f1885df8e56ec40d3b7bac1cd04e8414fdd291ee Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Matthew R. Trower" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:16:14 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] nsgml: Resolve symbol collision when building with SunStudio

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎For some reason, I thought we already had a window list (something textual and basic, like most traditional WMS seem to have). Well, I'll investigate it as an option for cde-next, after we get this release out.

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
esktopenv-devel] question about windows list Oh, good point. I didn't read the last sentence. ALT-TAB should work... -jon On 06/14/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > ‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. > Do they not work for you? > &

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. Do they not work for you? Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other interesting keybinds.   Original Message   From: Antonis Tsolomitis Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31 To: cdesktopenv-devel@l

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
:24 To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license On 14/06/2018 09:23 πμ, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > Antonis Tsolomitis writes: > >> And what people mean by "LGPL is restrictive" ? Restrictive for who? > For any developer

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-13 Thread Matthew R. Trower
free license for large projects compatible with > GPL3. > > LGPL is fine. Why change it to a more restrictive for users(!) > license? In what way is MIT, or BSD 4 or 3 clause retrictive for a user? Especially when compared to the LGPL. The whole idea here is to move from a s

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] nsgmls symbol collision on illumos/OpenIndiana

2018-06-13 Thread Matthew R. Trower
d...@blackshard.net (Matthew R. Trower) writes: > I'll try to set up an environment with 12.3 tomorrow, and see what > happens. > > Alright, so... SolarisStudio12.3 compiles this fine. SunStudio12.1 encounters the problem. It seems to me this is probably a compiler bu

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] DtInfo.tmpl and friends

2018-06-13 Thread Matthew R. Trower
ion 4 in host.def, or redirect the system symlink, but I'll have a patch with the real fix shortly. -- Matthew R. Trower -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, S

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Motif version incompatibilites

2018-06-12 Thread Matthew R. Trower
tif you're building against - $(MotifProjectRoot)/include/Xm. This is of course obvious if you're familiar with the internals, but perhaps not so obvious if you're following wiki instructions. -- Matthew R. Trower

[cdesktopenv-devel] DtInfo.tmpl and friends

2018-06-12 Thread Matthew R. Trower
s (until we encounter GCC 6 in modern OpenIndiana); should it just go away? There are bugs that surface when this code is actually run (related to version logic, I believe). I'll have further questions, and some suggestions, but I can forumlate them more intelligently after I underst

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] /var/dt, can we get rid of it (with some work)?

2018-06-12 Thread Matthew R. Trower
sense to me --- it *is* cached, auto-generated data, from what I understand. -- Matthew R. Trower -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sit

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Matthew R. Trower
ly. I'm not sure that we *need* to do it, nor do I suppose I possess any controlling interest in the matter, but... it's an opinion, anyway. =) -- Matthew R. Trower -- Check out the vibrant tech community on on

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Motif version incompatibilites

2018-06-11 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > On 06/08/2018 07:16 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >>> As for the changes - if a locally compiled motif is required, and it's >>> customary to install that in /opt, then that's what the changes should >>> be in sun.cf. >>> >

[cdesktopenv-devel] importing Motif

2018-06-11 Thread Matthew R. Trower
.tmpl Looking at the in-tree motif, all that's there these days is doc and localization for Motif. Does that have something to do with it? -- Matthew R. Trower -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of t

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] nsgmls symbol collision on illumos/OpenIndiana

2018-06-11 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Ulrich Wilkens writes: > On 06/11/18 04:30, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > >> >> Nah. The issue is traceable back to Ptr.C and Ptr.h. Stripping out >> preprocessor #if noise, the generated entmgr_inst.C tries to do this: >> >> --- >>templat

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] nsgmls symbol collision on illumos/OpenIndiana

2018-06-10 Thread Matthew R. Trower
d...@blackshard.net (Matthew R. Trower) writes: > Here's a potential patch which solves this issue for me. It should, in > my estimation, be functionally equivalent. Though, I'm still curious as > to whether Ulrich gets a clean build without it, and if so, why. > > Tho

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] nsgmls symbol collision on illumos/OpenIndiana

2018-06-10 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Here's a potential patch which solves this issue for me. It should, in my estimation, be functionally equivalent. Though, I'm still curious as to whether Ulrich gets a clean build without it, and if so, why. Thoughts? -- Matthew R. Trower >From 35f1b6ad5d76effa03793d3e8ff9bbd

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] nsgmls symbol collision on illumos/OpenIndiana

2018-06-10 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > > That looks like the compiler can't tell the difference between a const > and non-const definition. Perhaps you need to define: > > -DSP_VOLATILE=volatile -DSP_CONST=const > > for your architecture in programs/nsgmls/Imakefile like Linux and BSD. > > You might look an see

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] /var/dt, can we get rid of it (with some work)?

2018-06-10 Thread Matthew R. Trower
ally incorrect, especially across domains. However, I'm not sure why we need to get rid of /var/dt to begin with? Debian does have some interesting ideas about where files must go, but I'm pretty sure /var/dt doesn't violate the FHS --- does it? -- Matthew R. Trower

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] make World tries to compile SunStudio header files

2018-06-09 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Ulrich Wilkens writes: > Hello, I've running CDE here on Solaris and Illumos. Both compile > with SunStudio 12.3 without problems. > Unfortunately both are not the latest versions. But on Solaris 12.2 > and Hipster 2014.10 everything is ok here. > If I can find the time I could update my Hipster

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