On 16 January 2017 at 00:51, Jon Elson wrote:
> Also, flux smoke gets all over the lenses. That is one downside on my
> Olympus, the bottom is not sealed. I made up some card stock and glued it
> in place to try to prevent the smoke getting inside. But, it still gets on
> the lenses requiring
Does anyone have close up pictures of the MIT CADR? Boards, the
maintaince indicator display, anything interesting and close up. LM-2
and and Lambda would also be of curiosity.
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> Does anyone have close up pictures of the MIT CADR? Boards, the
> maintaince indicator display, anything interesting and close up. LM-2
> and and Lambda would also be of curiosity.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/CADR_-_The_Lisp_Machine,_late_1970s,_
I have installed SunoS 4.1.4 on a an IPX and then tried to start Open
Windows 3 from the command line.
I get a garbled screen that looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/jWcbqYO.jpg?1
It looks like there is a mismatch between what resolution Open WIndows is
using and how the frame buffer is config
On 1/16/2017 3:58 AM, Mattis Lind wrote:
I have installed SunoS 4.1.4 on a an IPX and then tried to start Open
Windows 3 from the command line.
I get a garbled screen that looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/jWcbqYO.jpg?1
It looks like there is a mismatch between what resolution Open WIndow
So I think I need to upgrade to a real Soldapullt instead of the RadioShack
special.
Is the slimline III model as good as the original bulky one? I don't mind the
xtra pressure to push down the plunger on the original, I'm concerned with the
effectiveness and ability to get in tight places m
Hello Jim!
2017-01-16 13:14 GMT+01:00 jim stephens :
>
>
> On 1/16/2017 3:58 AM, Mattis Lind wrote:
>
>> I have installed SunoS 4.1.4 on a an IPX and then tried to start Open
>> Windows 3 from the command line.
>>
>> I get a garbled screen that looks like this:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/jWcbqYO.j
>> It looks like there is a mismatch between what resolution Open
>> WIndows is using and how the frame buffer is configured.
It does.
>> My screen reports that the framebuffer is outputting 1280x1024@76Hz.
If it's a "modern" flatscreen, don't necessarily trust that. I've seen
flatscreens claim
> From: Lars Brinkhoff
>
http://i0.wp.com/futurewavewebdevelopment.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mertz01-2514878-8.jpg
That might actually be the CONS Machine (effectively a prototype CADR);
Greenblatt looks awfully young in that picture! Also, I don't recall him
being super-involved
> From: Lars Brinkhoff
>
http://i0.wp.com/futurewavewebdevelopment.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/mertz01-2514878-8.jpg
That might actually be the CONS Machine (effectively a prototype CADR);
Greenblatt looks awfully young in that picture! Also, I don't recall him
bein
> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
> The closest to a picture of a CADR that I have seen
The picture posted earlier of the machine in the MIT Archives:
http://questier.com/Photos/200907_USA/20090731-150406_USA_Massachusetts_MIT_Museum_CADR_LISP_Machine.jpg
is _definitely_ a CADR.
Noe
> The closest to a picture of a CADR that I have seen
The picture posted earlier of the machine in the MIT Archives:
http://questier.com/Photos/200907_USA/20090731-150406_USA_Massachusetts_MIT_Museum_CADR_LISP_Machine.jpg
is _definitely_ a CADR.
How do you figure that?
Worked on cleaning up and documenting the 686 and 886 I had over the weekend.
Pics and firmware up now on bitsavers, but I don't have any documentation. I'm
especially interested in the 8274 diagnostic serial port, which isn't installed
on either of my boards.
I'll have a hard disk image of Concur
The drive certainly appears to be a Calcomp 142.
>From http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102736256
CHM has documents stating that the Calcomp operation was purchased by
Billings Corp. and the drives branded with the Caldisk logo.
--Chuck
On 1/16/17 7:42 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
>is _definitely_ a CADR.
>
> How do you figure that?
>
logo panel, for one, blue power strip on the bottom
and, I owned one for a while.
if pics are needed, I can see if I can get access to it again
I assume that CONS ww panel we had on displ
> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
> How do you figure that?
Umm, because I saw them every day, for several years? :-) (They were
scattered all over the 9th floor at Tech Sq.)
Admittedly, it's hard to tell a picture (from the front, where one can only
see a giant wire-wrapped assembly) of the CONS
pics of CHM's
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X842.87
On 1/16/17 8:14 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> logo panel, for one, blue power strip on the bottom
>
> and, I owned one for a while.
>
> if pics are needed, I can see if I can get access to it again
>
> How do you figure that?
Umm, because I saw them every day, for several years? :-) (They were
scattered all over the 9th floor at Tech Sq.)
Admittedly, it's hard to tell a picture (from the front, where one can only
see a giant wire-wrapped assembly) of the CONS machine from a
On 2017-01-16 16:22, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
> > The closest to a picture of a CADR that I have seen
>
> The picture posted earlier of the machine in the MIT Archives:
>
>
> http://questier.com/Photos/200907_USA/20090731-150406_USA_Massachusetts_MIT_Museum_
On 01/16/2017 06:40 AM, Corey Cohen wrote:
So I think I need to upgrade to a real Soldapullt instead of the RadioShack
special.
Is the slimline III model as good as the original bulky one? I don't mind the
xtra pressure to push down the plunger on the original, I'm concerned with the
effecti
> From: Al Kossow
> I assume that CONS ww panel we had on display in Boston was there
> because it was wired by a robot they built.
I don't know for sure about the CONS, but I'm pretty sure no CADR's were wired
at the AI Lab; ISTR that some outside fabricator did them. (Probably a pla
Does anyone have any thoughts as to when that term, or a near
equivalent was first
used?
The reason I ask is that I have been looking in some old photographic books and
have turned up a 1954 advert for the Wrayflex (an obscure British single lens
reflex camera). The text ends with :
;...through th
On 1/16/17 9:41 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> The robot that the AI Lab _did_ build, that was used in the production of
> CADR's, was a wire-wrap testing machine, used to verify the huge CPU panels
> immediately upon arrival. It was this large frame (made out of Dexion, IIRC)
> in which the CPU pane
Yes, but the actual phrase comes from the Flip Wilson show
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flip_Wilson_Show
On 1/16/17 10:25 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
> I wonder what predates that usage (if anything)
>
Maybe Ted Nelson used the term to refer to computing specifically in late
1960s or within Dream Machines?
b
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> Yes, but the actual phrase comes from the Flip Wilson show
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flip_Wilson_Show
>
>
> On 1/16/17 10:
On 1/16/17 10:48 AM, william degnan wrote:
> Maybe Ted Nelson used the term to refer to computing specifically in late
> 1960s or within Dream Machines?
> b
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>> Yes, but the actual phrase comes from the Flip Wilson show
>>
>> https:/
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG
>
> Etymology
>
> The phrase "what you see is what you get", from which the acronym derives,
> was a catchphrase popularized by Flip
> Wilson's drag persona Geraldine, first appearing in September 1969, the
Noel Chiappa wrote:
> My memory of the CONS machine is that, like the Chess Machine, it was
> a special purpose CPU hung off the AI PDP-10. (Or maybe the Chess
> Machine was attached to MC? I forget.)
Would that Chess Machine be the one called CHEOPS?
And oh, since I may have the attention of Lis
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> [...]
a pump makes it work 10X better. The trick, as described in the Pace
> manuals, is you heat the connection for several seconds, then apply vacuum
> and orbit the tip so it moves the component pin in the plated through
> hole. That orbi
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG
> >
> > Etymology
> >
> >
>
> Sure...
>
> My point is that a very similar phrase ('What you see, you get') was
> used by a camera manufactuer
> som
On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Jules Richardson
wrote:
>
> On 01/14/2017 10:12 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
>> Maybe I’ll take some time out on Monday to finally fit mine with the
>> replacement analog board that I’ve acquired, so I can enjoy that
>> beautiful bluish-white phosphor glow once again.
>
On 1/16/17 7:55 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> I'm also still trying to figure out if there is any way to do an inital
> format since
> at least the CP/M tools expect a config block on disk before you can
> partition it,
> which optionally will format the disk (chicken and egg).
>
Turns out what I n
On 01/16/2017 11:26 AM, Brian Walenz wrote:
> I've also started reflowing and adding fresh solder before attempting
> to desolder. Could be better heat transfer, or just easier to suck
> up a larger blob.
On a veneered and generated board like one from a PDP-8, I'd probably
use a fusible alloy,
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
In mid-1975, John W. Seybold, the founder of Seybold Publications, and
researchers at PARC, incorporated Gypsy
software into Bravo to create Bravo 3, which allowed text to be printed as
displayed. Charles Simonyi and the other
engineers appropriated Flip
From: Al Kossow
On 1/15/17 10:02 AM, Jay West wrote:
I'd have to say my HP-2000 systems that are running are the rarest that
I'm aware of.
So I fairly strongly suspect that my running HP-2000's are the only ones
left, anywhere.
probably true.
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catal
On 1/16/17 2:04 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG
Etymology
The phrase "what you see is what you get", from which the acronym derives, was
a catchphrase popularized by Flip
Wilson's drag persona Geraldine, first app
On 1/16/17 1:48 PM, william degnan wrote:
Maybe Ted Nelson used the term to refer to computing specifically in late
1960s or within Dream Machines?
b
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
Yes, but the actual phrase comes from the Flip Wilson show
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T
> From: Lars Brinkhoff
>> like the Chess Machine, it was a special purpose CPU hung off the AI
>> PDP-10. (Or maybe the Chess Machine was attached to MC? I forget.)
It's also possible that it was connected to AI at one point, and MC later on.
I have this bit set about being told that
On Jan 12, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Leif Johansson wrote:
>
> I saved one of the MIT CADR top-of-rack plates (the one with the logo
> and a sticker from the lab on it). Me and peter recently discovered
> he saved the rest of the box. Will probably reunite at some point :-)
Nice! Any media/storage with
On Jan 12, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Raymond Wiker wrote:
>
> I've been following this topic, and suddenly realised… that I don't actually
> have any particularly rare or unusual items – the nearest I can think of is a
> Commodore N-60 navigation calculator, but I also have two early Apple IIs.
>
> I
This might be a bit new for some folk hereabouts, but I found it interesting.
http://www.osnews.com/story/29602/The_elusive_Palm_OS_5_5_Garnet_emulator_for_Windows_Linux
Trying to collect and run every major version of PalmOS on modern PCs.
There's a lot of interesting historic detail, and for on
corey cohen
uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>> On 01/16/2017 06:40 AM, Corey Cohen wrote:
>> So I think I need to upgrade to a real Soldapullt instead of the RadioShack
>> special.
>>
>> Is the slimline III model as good as the original bulky one? I don't min
A Symbolics XL400 workstation with an 4MW extra memory board and two 780MB ESDI
disks, for a total of 8MW (48MB) of memory and 1.5GB of storage in 1991.
-- Chris
The saying itself probably hearkens back to at least the 1940s. That it
was made popular by Flip Wilson's Geraldine character is indisputable.
That common usage probably accounts for the computer use with respect to
word processing. Were this not true, the term would be something like
WYSIWYP o
> > If I can mention items that I have owned, the list becomes slightly
> > longer: a PC532, Symbolics MacIvory II and a TI microExplorer.
>
> What happened to the MacIvory II and microExplorer?
If we're considering MacIvories in this category, there's one sitting
next to me (MacIvory III in a II
Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > I'll take this opportutity to ask what CAIOS was? It seems
> > intimately related to Chaosnet. Maybe an earlier name for Chaos
>
> Yeah, that rings a bell, vaguely. Where did you find a referece too
> it? I just did a Google search, no luck.
There is just about onl
> From: Al Kossow
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG
> As it relates to computing, there are multiple claims to first use of
> the phrase:
> In mid-1975, John W. Seybold .. and researchers at PARC, incorporated
> Gypsy software into Bravo to create Bravo 3, which allow
On 01/15/2017 08:23, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
> On 1/14/17 7:20 PM, allison wrote:
>
>> If the 32016 had a second generation
>
> It had several generations. The 32532 saw some use in laser printers.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS320xx
This kind of "buries the lead," however -- the NS32532 i
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Tony Duell wrote:
My point is that a very similar phrase ('What you see, you get') was
used by a camera manufactuer
some 15 years earlier (at least).
Can you find any of the ads for earlier SLRs?
Exakta dates from late 1930's, but there were almost certainly a few more
obs
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, allison wrote:
That lead to WYSIWYG pronounced as wizzywhig, from the former what you see is
what you get. There were variations
as well.
Good point!
The phrase is obviously older, and probably much older than Flip Wilson.
BUT, the acronym is much more recent. I first
On 2017-01-16 3:25 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts as to when that term, or a near
equivalent was first
used?
The reason I ask is that I have been looking in some old photographic books and
have turned up a 1954 advert for the Wrayflex (an obscure British single lens
reflex c
On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
>>> If I can mention items that I have owned, the list becomes slightly
>>> longer: a PC532, Symbolics MacIvory II and a TI microExplorer.
>>
>> What happened to the MacIvory II and microExplorer?
>
> If we're considering MacIvories in this c
On 01/10/2017 14:09, Andy Cloud wrote:
>
> I thought this would be an interesting question to ask around - What's the
> rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own?
Rare and unusual? That disqualifies a lot of things that are neat, maybe
uncommon, but mainstream.
Wicat S-2000 server.
On 01/16/2017 01:26 PM, Brian Walenz wrote:
While I wholeheartedly agree with the tool advice and the trick, I lifted a
bunch of traces on a PDP8a CPU board doing this.
Earlier machines often had single-sided boards with no
plated through holes. These are REALLY fragile when doing
rework. It
On 01/16/2017 02:46 PM, Corey Cohen wrote:
can't easily get in to change caps but it's a bigger
hassle to remove the board (i.e. The lamp amplifier board
on a persci drive)
PERSCI?? Iee! Yes, I had one of those. Yes, it
sort of worked, maybe it was the crappy floppies I bought,
but
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > i need a cable that is wired for serial.
>
> The EIA serial cables that plug into the Berg connectors are pretty
> much unobtainium.
I have a page that has some part numbers for suitable connectors. It might be
helpful here.
http://
> >>> If I can mention items that I have owned, the list becomes slightly
> >>> longer: a PC532, Symbolics MacIvory II and a TI microExplorer.
> >>
> >> What happened to the MacIvory II and microExplorer?
> >
> > If we're considering MacIvories in this category, there's one sitting
> > next to me
> > ;...through the lens focusing at any distance. No adjustment for paralax. No
> > coupled rangefinder. Just the simple axiom ...
> > "What you see, you get" '
> >
> > I wonder what predates that usage (if anything)
>
> Maybe you can try Google N-grams?
Now, now, no one needs to go digging up ol
On 15/01/2017 14:38, "Tony Duell" wrote:
> But do you know it''s not doing I/O. OK IO/M is never going into the
> right state for
> I/O, but what that _really_ means is that the 8085 is never executing
> any IN or OUT
> type instructions. But of course memory mapped I/O is possible
> (storing or
Mark wrote...
Was it possible to configure an Access system with a mix of a 21MX and 2100?
(I'm not challenging the assertion; it just never occurred to me...)
According to the documentation - specifically "no". Both processors must be
the same type.
Howe
On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Jules Richardson
> wrote:
>>
>> On 01/14/2017 10:12 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
>>> Maybe I’ll take some time out on Monday to finally fit mine with the
>>> replacement analog board that I’ve acquired, so I can enjoy
Yes. Please do!
Pontus wrote...
There is a system quite like it standing in the halls of the maths
department here. I'll have to take a closer look next time I'm there.
/P
On 15/01/2017 16:59, "allison" wrote:
>> I've thought of that which is why I'm chasing down details on the Viewdata
>> chip and the D8741A which I assume is being used as a keyboard controller.
>> There are also 3 modules on the phone side which I can't find anything
>> about, marked "NKT NMC1515
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Tapley, Mark wrote:
Back when they were new, a friend of mine brought his out of his car,
set up, and worked for about 1/2 hour before realizing he’d left the
keyboard in the car. Don’t know how fun an experience you’d have,
particularly if you are not as absent-minded as
From: allison
>
>The 32016 was not clocked very fast nor did it have any pipelines to
>speak of.
True. And lots of interesting bugs; some show-stoppers in early steppings.
>If the 32016 had a second generation, some tweaks and faster process it
>might have had hope but like 68k and Z8000 it was
According to IMDB, the Mac Plus that Scotty addressed by speaking into the
mouse in "Star Trek : The Voyage Home",
"The computer that Scotty uses to show transparent aluminum was originally
going to be an Amiga, but Commodore would only provide a computer if they
bought it. Apple Computers was w
From: Al Kossow
>
> That reminds me I need to dig out the Genix sources I have.
>
I'd really like to see that, if it ever came to light.
KJ
On 1/16/2017 8:52 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
According to IMDB, the Mac Plus that Scotty addressed by speaking
into the mouse in "Star Trek : The Voyage Home",
"The computer that Scotty uses to show transparent aluminum was
originally going to be an Amiga, but Commodore would only provide a
computer
From: allison
>
> The 32016 was not clocked very fast nor did it have any pipelines to
> speak of.
I recall the National dog-and-pony show guys showing up and having a
good long talk with them. The 320xx sounded like a very advanced chip
when compared with the usual 8086 or Z8000 stuff.
I rec
It is interesting, I do take longer with the hand tools but I've never seen as
much damage as with a desoldering type iron.
The tips are too small to hold a good tin and the suction cools the
joint too fast.
Doing it with regular irom and a pullit does take skill. One has to know
how to work t
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:33 PM, dwight wrote:
> It is interesting, I do take longer with the hand tools but I've never
> seen as much damage as with a desoldering type iron.
> The tips are too small to hold a good tin and the suction cools the
> joint too fast.
>
> Doing it with regular irom and
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Jay West wrote:
>
> In the end HP1000 meant a 21MX M, E, K, or F - which was 2105, 2108,
> 2112, 2109, 2113, 2111, 2117. I think some later AXXX systems were also
> considered HP1000's, but that's out of my area (too new).
>
The L-Series 2103L and the A-Series
> On 16 Jan 2017, at 21:42 , Chris Hanson wrote:
>
> On Jan 12, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Raymond Wiker wrote:
>>
>> I've been following this topic, and suddenly realised… that I don't actually
>> have any particularly rare or unusual items – the nearest I can think of is
>> a Commodore N-60 naviga
On 1/15/17 8:58 PM, Jeff Woolsey wrote:
On 1/15/17 7:20 PM, Alan Perry wrote:
If I had something rare, I would donate it to an appropriate museum.
Good luck with that. I tried with my rarest, and they claimed they
already had one.
I had a Televideo TS-1605 that I donated to LCM.
alan
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 07:27:00PM -0600, Jay West wrote:
> Yes. Please do!
>
> Pontus wrote...
> There is a system quite like it standing in the halls of the maths
> department here. I'll have to take a closer look next time I'm there.
>
I'll go there on thursday. I suspect it will be anticlima
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