Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Jack Rubin" Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:13 PM Here are some of my photos from VCF-Berlin - http://tinyurl.com/vcfb-2015 . More narrative is at the Vintage Computer Forum - http://tinyurl.com/vcfb-vcfd . Enjoy - I certainly did! Jack - Original

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread william degnan
> > > > Getting back to the point before this went seriously off-topic, are other > non-VCF-members also unable to see these pictures on VCF? > > If so, would it make sense when posting things like this on VCF to use > links instead of or in addition to uploading and embedding them there? > > m >

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread william degnan
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:03 AM, william degnan wrote: > >> >> Getting back to the point before this went seriously off-topic, are other >> non-VCF-members also unable to see these pictures on VCF? >> >> If so, would it make sense when posting things like this on VCF to use >> links instead of or

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: William Degnan > Of note... Anyone know what the two indicator panels on top of the large blue box in the center of this one: ftp://jhoppe.ddns.net/vcfb2105/content/TB8A3377_large.html are? They look to be PDP-10 {something}, given what appear to be two rows of 36 lights on th

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread P Gebhardt
> Anyone know what the two indicator panels on top of the large blue box in the > center of this one: > > ftp://jhoppe.ddns.net/vcfb2105/content/TB8A3377_large.html > > are? They look to be PDP-10 {something}, given what appear to be two rows > of > 36 lights on the bottom (although they are

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a unique one of

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" >> versus "FNT"...versus...? >> So many names... > > Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Fred Cisin
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote: No, it could not be. It could be trademark infr

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people col

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/04/2015 08:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a unique one of their own. I don't think so; they're just terms of art. But didn't/doesn't Intel claim copyright on their opcod

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? I'm not familiar with that one. It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids from somebody else's ke

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? I'm not familiar with that one. It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confu

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Charles Anthony
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, geneb wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?" >>> >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: >> >>> FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? >>> >> >> I'm not

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as somebody else? Like

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread geneb
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Charles Anthony wrote: On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote: FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill? I'm not familiar with that one. It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids from somebody else's keyboards Finger Accessible Data Input De

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Paul Berger
On 2015-11-04 1:37 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...? So many names... Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the s

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Mike Ross
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: >>> >>> Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus "directory" >>> versus "FNT"...versus...? >>> So many names... >> >> >> Was it considered "

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/04/2015 09:49 AM, Paul Berger wrote: ROS (Read Only Memory) Same for CDC. Given the weird and wonderful storage devices that were developed in earlier days, calling a random-access (although it could be posited that tape can be random access) storage device a "disk" is just wrong in m

RE: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Rich Alderson
From: P Gebhardt Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 8:08 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: >> Anyone know what the two indicator panels on top of the large blue box in the >> center of this one: >> ftp://jhoppe.ddns.net/vcfb2105/content/TB8A3377_large.html >> are? They look to be PDP-10 {something}, giv

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Al Kossow
are? They look to be PDP-10 {something}, given what appear to be two rows of 36 lights on the bottom (although they are hard to see clearly), but I couldn't find a panel like that in my PDP-10 manual. I don't have time to go down this rathole right now. If you are sure they are off a 10, che

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Anke Stüber
Hi, On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 02:38:28PM +, rod wrote: > Why would they keep such an event hidden? I'm sorry for not announcing the event on the list. I didn't expect so much interest from people outside of Germany, especially with the Classic Computing 2015 happening at the same time in France

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread william degnan
Lee Felsenstein did a talk. https://media.ccc.de/v/vcfb2015_-_41_-_en_-_medientheater_-_201510031730_-_opening_the_door_to_cyberspace_-_lee_felsenstein#video&t=10 On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Anke Stüber wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 02:38:28PM +, rod wrote: > > Why would they

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Rich Alderson > I've .. eliminated the following possibilities: Using the decsystem10 System Reference Manual (3rd Edition, August '74), I can additionally eliminate: Only 2 rows of lights: DC10 (picture here doesn't have 5 rows, per below?) > Only 3 rows of lights: > M

Re: IBM System/32 available

2015-11-04 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 12:53:51PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > I've been offered an IBM System/32. Location is close to LA. Condition > appears pretty decent. > > If I can't take the offer up, would anyone else be interested? I'd love one, and I'm not too terribly far from LA, but it's probably t

Re: IBM System/32 available

2015-11-04 Thread Kyle Owen
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 12:53:51PM +1300, Mike Ross wrote: > > > I've been offered an IBM System/32. Location is close to LA. Condition > > appears pretty decent. > > > > If I can't take the offer up, would anyone else be interested? > > I'd

Vintage computing events in Germany [Was: Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015]

2015-11-04 Thread Anke Stüber
Hi, On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 09:24:04PM +0100, Anke Stüber wrote: > […] Classic Computing 2015 […] btw, there are more vintage computing events in and around Germany that I don't recall being mentioned on the list, like Classic Computing[0] (usually in Germany, varying cities) and VCFe/CH[1] (Swit

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-11-04 20:18, Rich Alderson wrote: From: P Gebhardt Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 8:08 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: Anyone know what the two indicator panels on top of the large blue box in the center of this one: ftp://jhoppe.ddns.net/vcfb2105/content/TB8A3377_large.html are? T

Re: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]

2015-11-04 Thread Chris Elmquist
On Wednesday (11/04/2015 at 09:05AM -0800), Fred Cisin wrote: > > My comment was not a serious question about the LAW. It was about > the idiocy of creating a new set of names for parts that were the > same, by each manufacturer. And speculating that maybe they were so > idiotic that THEY consid

ID-ing a PC backup format

2015-11-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
I've got a set of mystery 5.25" DD floppies that appear to be a backup of some sort. 10 x 512 byte sectors per track, 40 cylinders, double-sided. Normal sector IDs (Side 0: 0/ Side 1: 1), 1-10. No, it's not FASTBACK nor does it appear to be Central Point's PC Backup. The start of the first s

Re: ID-ing a PC backup format

2015-11-04 Thread Mouse
> I've got a set of mystery 5.25" DD floppies that appear to be a > backup of some sort. [...] > The start of the first sector of the first floppy looks like this: > 00 50 43 42 41 43 4B 55 50-2E 01 00 50 43 42 00 06 [...] > 90 9A 01 00 1E 00 01 00 54-55 52 42 4F 43 5C 00 00 > Note th

Re: ID-ing a PC backup format

2015-11-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/04/2015 05:48 PM, Mouse wrote: Well, just in case you managed to miss it, note the "TURBOC\" string starting at offet 97. I don't know whether this is the name of the directory being backed up or some indication that it's a Turbo C backup program or what, but it might be some kind of

ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover

2015-11-04 Thread Josh Dersch
Subject line says it all -- I'm looking for the top/side cover for the "slim" PDP-11/05. Probably not infeasible to build one, but I figured I'd ask around first. Got lucky on a cheap 8KW core plane (H214) on eBay to replace the damaged one the /05 came with (which we had a discussion about l

Re: ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover

2015-11-04 Thread steven
Original Message Subject: ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover From:"Josh Dersch" Date:Thu, November 5, 2015 2:48 pm To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"

Re: ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover

2015-11-04 Thread Josh Dersch
On 11/4/15 9:05 PM, ste...@malikoff.com wrote: Original Message Subject: ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover From:"Josh Dersch" Date:Thu, November 5, 2015 2:48 pm To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"

Re: ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover

2015-11-04 Thread steven
Original Message Subject: Re: ISO: PDP-11/05 top cover From:"Josh Dersch" Date:Thu, November 5, 2015 3:25 pm To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" -

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-11-04 Thread rod
Hi Anke Vielen Dank für Ihre E-Mail Ja, ich hätte jedoch gerne bei der Show ich Ersatz des vorderen Panels für PDP-Computern Rod Smallwood On 04/11/15 20:24, Anke Stüber wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 02:38:28PM +, rod wrote: Why would they keep such an event hidden? I'm sorry for n

Re: Vintage computing events in Germany [Was: Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015]

2015-11-04 Thread rod
Hi Anke (I'll use English for the benefit of rest of the list) I would love to hear about any vintage computer shows anywhere in Western Europe. Please add my name to your mailing list. Whilst a lot of us are American Not all of us are (I'm English) and so