Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:20 AM Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > I imagine it was possible to hook up RX50s to a VAX-11/750 but I never > saw one configured that way. Why not use tape :-) We had an RUX50 on our 11/750 (I still have it). It's just another MSCP controller, but since we had a U

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:02 AM Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > I never installed it this way myself, but MicroVMS on the MicroVAX II > was distributed on RX50 floppies: lost of them. I have 2-3 install kits for MicroVMS on RX50. I'm working on imaging them. First attempts were not successf

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:11 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk > wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box. >> >> It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, >> >> Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> On 22 Feb 2022, at 15:20, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > On 22/02/2022 14:19, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: >> That didn't stop me being massively nervy installing a VMS v5.0 upgrade from >> RX50s to a customer's VAX 11/50... I think it was the first one that I'd >> done so no

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 22/02/2022 14:19, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: That didn't stop me being massively nervy installing a VMS v5.0 upgrade from RX50s to a customer's VAX 11/50... I think it was the first one that I'd done so no pressure. I remember doing the V5 upgrade on a VAX-11/750 but via tape. You sti

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 2/21/22 22:27, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: I think installing 30 floppy disks would be an exercise in insanity: No arguments there. That would probably wear down an RX50 drive to the nubbins. Are RX50 drives less robust than what was us

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> On 22 Feb 2022, at 14:01, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > On 22/02/2022 03:27, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Are RX50 drives less robust than what was used to install Windoze 95? > > > I never installed it this way myself, but MicroVMS on the MicroVAX II was > distributed on RX

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 22/02/2022 03:27, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Are RX50 drives less robust than what was used to install Windoze 95? I never installed it this way myself, but MicroVMS on the MicroVAX II was distributed on RX50 floppies: lost of them. Of course, that was then and the floppy drives were

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-22 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 2/21/22 21:14, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: On 2/21/2022 6:55 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 4:32 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Hi     I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box.     It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 att

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I notice you didn't say TK50 here :) I have some TK50's as well. They really are not that bad, the key problem with them is the bearings in the two capstans: They're old, oil has dried out, and as a result they drag on the tapes. Plus one of them has a tachometer wheel under it, and if it doe

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 8:34 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > Are RX50 drives less robust than what was used to install Windoze 95? > > Well, they're 10 years older than your Windows 95 floppy so sort of. I > still have some working RX50's here but they are a bit fickle. That's a > big reason wh

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Are RX50 drives less robust than what was used to install Windoze 95? Well, they're 10 years older than your Windows 95 floppy so sort of. I still have some working RX50's here but they are a bit fickle. That's a big reason why I went to TK70's, more reliable. Are any of my distro kits not o

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: I think installing 30 floppy disks would be an exercise in insanity: No arguments there. That would probably wear down an RX50 drive to the nubbins. Are RX50 drives less robust than what was used to install Windoze 95?

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
There is. What's in my floppy pile here: Micro RSX11 4.0 9 floppies base Micro RSTS 2.1 20 floppy disks Ultrix 11 2.0 30 floppy disks I think installing 30 floppy disks would be an exercise in insanity: That would probably wear down an RX50 drive to the nubbins. I also seem to

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > > Hi > > I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box. > > It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, > > Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with a digital RH18A 2Gig SCSI drive > attached. > > Diag sees driv

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Rod Smallwood via cctalk
On 22/02/2022 00:32, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: Hi   I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box.   It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with a digital RH18A 2Gig SCSI drive attached. Diag sees drive as RA82. It boots and runs

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Rod Smallwood via cctalk
On 22/02/2022 00:55, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 4:32 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Hi I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box. It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller wi

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Rod Smallwood via cctalk
On 22/02/2022 02:35, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:    It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with a digital RH18A 2Gig SCSI drive attached. Hm, that's an interesting setup. If it has two MCSP controllers then one of them is at a

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Jacob Ritorto via cctalk
On Feb 21, 2022, at 19:32, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > So how do I install an operating system? You can install 2.11BSD rather normally using VTserver. It makes your modern computer into a pseudo tape protocol via your serial port to the pdp console. It was written for this purpose and I

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
  It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with a digital RH18A 2Gig SCSI drive attached. Hm, that's an interesting setup. If it has two MCSP controllers then one of them is at an alternate address. I never really worked out how to

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
On 2/21/2022 6:55 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 4:32 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Hi I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box. It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 4:32 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi > >I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box. > >It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, > > Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with a digital RH18A 2Gig SCSI drive > attached.

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi > > I have built an 11/83 in a BA23 box. > > It has a KDJ-11B, 2mB PMI memory, an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached, > > Plus a CMD CQD 220A Disk controller with a digital RH18A 2Gig SCSI drive > attached. > > Diag see