Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-16 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-15, at 11:20 PM, Brad wrote: > Thanks for this great explanation. So would anyone doing computing back in > the early 70s have used a 5 level machine? As others mentioned, there was some use of 5-level machines with hobbyist computers in the 70s. 5-level machines were available as su

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-16 Thread Dave Wade
On Behalf Of Brent > Hilpert > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:07 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype > > On 2015-Oct-15, at 6:25 PM, Brad wrote: > > > > Also separate question

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-16 Thread COURYHOUSE
ssage- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brent Hilpert Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:07 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype On 2015-Oct-15, at 6:25 PM, Brad wrote: > > Als

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/15/2015 10:58 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: But working from OSX unix system-call level to a plastic-encapsulated USB-serial dongle, I was pleasantly surprised that "75" was accepted by the IO/device driver. IIRC, it didn't accept 110 or other values outside the divide-by-2 sequence, and 75 wa

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Brad
50vdc-supply-etc-/121784463105?hash=item1c5aeb6f01:g:UR8AAOSwnDZUJHWs -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brent Hilpert Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:07 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Fair price and

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-15, at 10:19 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 10/15/2015 10:06 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > >> For working form modern equipment, the bit rates for all of them are >> potentially awkward. When working on the 28s, which were geared for >> 75 bps, I lucked out as I found the USB-serial interfac

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/15/2015 10:06 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: For working form modern equipment, the bit rates for all of them are potentially awkward. When working on the 28s, which were geared for 75 bps, I lucked out as I found the USB-serial interface I was using could do 75 bps - not entirely surprising as

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-15, at 6:25 PM, Brad wrote: > > Also separate question to others: I want to stay away from the Baudot > machines, right? (ie. Model 28, etc) I'd say it largely depends on what your interests or purposes are. A brief overview of the technology: In the main, there were 3 generations

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread ben
On 10/15/2015 7:25 PM, Brad wrote: So you've shipped these before? What sort of cost is typical around the US? My problem is just finding one at this point. Also separate question to others: I want to stay away from the Baudot machines, right? (ie. Model 28, etc) Yes, leave those for relay

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Brad
al Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of ben Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:29 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype On 10/14/2015 12:48 PM, Brad wrote: > How heavy are these things? They look like solid stee

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Brad
-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of william degnan Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:39 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype You can ship these in a box if you detach the pedestal and put it on its side, making sure the main

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 07:59 PM 10/15/2015, drlegendre . wrote: >Sounds like another nice freebie M15 just popped up on the greenkeys list.. >though it's stateside, and once again in St. Louis! There ought to be plenty of the 15-RO units kicking around in the States. Time was when every almost radio station in the

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread drlegendre .
Brad, Sounds like another nice freebie M15 just popped up on the greenkeys list.. though it's stateside, and once again in St. Louis! Might not help you, other than to illustrate the fact that these things +do+ come up. And this is just how I came across my personal teleprinting treasure chest..

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Chris Elmquist
On Thursday (10/15/2015 at 05:57PM +0100), Dave Wade wrote: > > I think you would be surprised to know that M15 and other Baudot teletypes > were used with early computers. > Not sure about the Altair but I certainly used a Creed 7B with my 6809 based > system. Again no paper tape, I had an Aud

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-14, at 11:52 AM, Brad wrote: > I appreciate the advice and I'll keep my eyes out. Vancouver hasn't really > been a great place to find these kinds of things; I tend to be totally > reliant on ebay, and as mentioned US shipping up to here has skyrocketed (not > to mention our CDN dol

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-15 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > drlegendre . > Sent: 15 October 2015 00:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype > > Brad, &g

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread couryhouse
Be patient. 75 dollar 33s still exist Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: "drlegendre ." Date: 10/14/2015 16:34 (GMT-07:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Fair pric

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread drlegendre .
Brad, A few montns ago, with a fair bit of help of the folks on this list, I did up an Altair 8800 rebuild. And apparently you & I both saw the same videos, as I got all hot and bothered about getting an ASR33 and using it to load software - BASIC, for starters - into the Altair. And again, on me

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread william degnan
You can ship these in a box if you detach the pedestal and put it on its side, making sure the main unit is well padded and there is a weight balance to the box, as you never know from what angle the box will sit/fall/land/be carried. I shrink wrap the main TTY to ensure it stays secure, then wrap

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 12:48 PM, Brad wrote: How heavy are these things? They look like solid steel in pictures. That's one of the things that presents a big problem for me up here in Canada... shipping from the US has gotten outrageously expensive. Well for big things shipping I think it is about the

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread william degnan
: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:40 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype > > > [ASR33] > > > This is a very delicate mechanical device. In spite of the fabulous >

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread Brad
lf Of Cory Heisterkamp Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:59 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype I'll throw my two-cents in as I have a fairly modest collection of teletypes. A nice feature of the 32/33 is that the tape punch/

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread Brad
lf Of tony duell Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:40 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype [ASR33] > This is a very delicate mechanical device. In spite of the fabulous > shipping crate, the bolts installed to

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
> Also for reading in paper tape, a high speed punch and paper tape reader > is often wanted. Yes, IMHO the ASR33 reader is an interesting thing to have, but it's only 10cps, and it is not kind to the tapes. A good capstan-fed optical paper tape reader will do between 300 and 1000cps [1] and will

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread Cory Heisterkamp
I'll throw my two-cents in as I have a fairly modest collection of teletypes. A nice feature of the 32/33 is that the tape punch/reader is built-in, but understand that these were cost-reduced models that can be fairly finicky to get going and keep running. The issue right now is that the market fo

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
[ASR33] > This is a very delicate mechanical device. In spite of the fabulous shipping > crate, the bolts > installed to secure the printer, the shipping guys let us down. The thing > had very rough > handling, sheared off the shipping bolts, the printer was totally shook up > and Wayne and

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-13 Thread ben
On 10/13/2015 11:14 PM, Randy Dawson wrote: Hi Brad, I want to answer this, because it is going to entail a lot more than you expect. An ASR 33 cost me 1,700 from great guy Wane Durkee, teletypeparts.com. He refurbished the whole machine, a complete work-over and it is beautiful. He made a

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-13 Thread Randy Dawson
Hi Brad, I want to answer this, because it is going to entail a lot more than you expect. An ASR 33 cost me 1,700 from great guy Wane Durkee, teletypeparts.com. He refurbished the whole machine, a complete work-over and it is beautiful. He made a custom case to ship it to me. This is a very d

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-13 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 14 October 2015 at 00:25, Brad wrote: > I only ever see teletypes for sale on ebay, only in the US, and of course I > don't bite because of shipping costs, plus usually people ask insane prices > for them. I am wondering what a reasonable price should be for a unit with > a paper tape reader,