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Sean, Avaya for a while in the early to mid 2000's only made their manuals available to authorized resellers, that seems to have changed sometime after buying Nortel, all of the Avaya manuals, and the corresponding nortel ones became freely available online. Not sure I have the link anymo

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On 8/22/2015 8:14 AM, Tothwolf wrote: > > It only helps a little though and when eBay eliminated wildcard matching > awhile back, they also reduced the maximum query length. What I /really/ > don't like about eBay's current search system, is how it substitutes > keywords internally. If I search f

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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: On 8/20/2015 7:11 AM, tony duell wrote: They reuse numbers for what I call "marketing numbers". For example, with a LaserJet 8150dn, the "8150" is a "marketing number" and not the actual HP product number, which was C4267A. As far as I know they've ne

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In these times where income inequality in the USA is the worst it's been since the Gilded Age, I think a little bit of perspective is best used when dropping the term "meager income". If you've got pocket money for computer collecting, I don't think you get to make that claim. Best, Sean On Fr

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Perhaps, but the eBay vendor also stole the manual from HP in the first place, as well as the profit generated in selling the copy. I don't think they have a lot of moral high ground ... Best, Sean On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Evan Koblentz wrote: > > Years ago I needed a HP service man

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That's odd, as long as I can remember, Lucent/Avaya distributed the manuals at least for their PBX and key products pretty openly; Nortel tried to keep them more closely held but eventually relented, too. Carrier-grade stuff (i.e. 5ESS and SL-100/DMS-100) was always another story, of course. I don'

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That's why I speak out against attempts to [...] Please don't misquote me. [...] I'm not the person who wrote what you quoted. No, you're not. I wrote it. You quoted it, with line breaks removed. Idiot. Anyone who is confused here is invited to go back and consult Message-ID: <55d7694f.

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That's why I speak out against attempts to [...] >> Please don't misquote me. [...] > I'm not the person who wrote what you quoted. No, you're not. I wrote it. You quoted it, with line breaks removed. > Idiot. Anyone who is confused here is invited to go back and consult Message-ID: <55

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> On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: >> But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word >> means in ordinary usage. > > I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. > A friend of mine was in law

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But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believe me that "burglary" and "robbery" were not fully synonymous. On Sat, 22

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On 2015-08-22 00:17, Fred Cisin wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believ

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That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as oth$ Please don't misquote me. That was not all one line when I wrote it, it was not all one line when I saw it come back on the list, and it was not all one line when someone else quoted it; for you to quote it that way

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: But that is not what the word means in law and it is not what the word means in ordinary usage. I'm confused on some of the terminology. I don't think that I'm alone. A friend of mine was in law school before he'd believe me that "burglary" and "robbery" were

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On 8/21/2015 1:50 PM, tony duell wrote: > > I will happily agree that it is both morally and legally a crime to > distribute somebody else's > work that they get income from. The discussion of manuals and software here > refers to > items that the original author/company cannot or will not pro

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On 08/21/2015 01:49 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: You want fun with music copyrights? Please go look at the IMSLP project. Here's their page on how copyrights work with regards to the sheet music/scores they are archiving: I'm very, very familiar wi

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So when is the scanning party? -- Ethan O'Toole

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On 21 August 2015 at 14:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: > This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his > "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported to be the tune the > orchestra was playing as the Titanic sank in 1912 (contrary to popular > belief, it is extremely unli

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>> That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as oth$ Please don't misquote me. That was not all one line when I wrote it, it was not all one line when I saw it come back on the list, and it was not all one line when someone else quoted it; for you to quote it that way i

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's

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> > I write for a (meager) living. If someone were to take my work and > decide for themselves that it should be online for free, then they ARE > stealing from me. That is reality, not the semantics of case law. I am not convinced they are stealing from you. Depriving you of income, sure. But no

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Sigh. I'm just going to leave these here... Release of copyright http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download&file=Tektronix/Tektronix_-_Miscelaneous/Tek_Copyright_Release.pdf Tektronix Policy on Copying of Out-of-date Materials http://www.tek.com/dl/Tektronix_Policy_on_Copying.pdf

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On 2015-08-21 20:09, Evan Koblentz wrote: That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's a f

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, et...@757.org wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay

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That's why I speak out against attempts to paint copyright violation as other things, such as theft: it's an appeal to emotions, trying to equate "thing I want people to oppose" with "very different thing I expect people already consider bad". It's a fundamentally dishonest bit of oratory.

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On 08/21/2015 10:41 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Excellent! EEC (Europe) is 70 years from the death of a known author or 70 years from publication if the author is unknown This leads to some interesting situations. Archibald Joyce wrote his "Autumn Dreams" waltz in 1908 and it has been reported t

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Excellent! EEC (Europe) is 70 years from the death of a known author or 70 years from publication if the author is unknown On 21/08/2015 18:19, tony duell wrote: If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the manuals for it. How the manuals are obtained is

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> If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the > manuals for it. > How the manuals are obtained is open to debate but not if you have the > right to own them. I would agree (although doubtless lawyers wouldn't :-)). A problem, though is when a service or technical manual wa

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If you have some equipment surely it would reasonable to have the manuals for it. How the manuals are obtained is open to debate but not if you have the right to own them. Rod On 21/08/2015 17:00, geneb wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service ma

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, william degnan wrote: As a musician sometimes the bar pays the ASCAP fees sometimes they don't but at least there is a way to compensate the song copyright owner when a band plays a cover song on stage at a bar. I wonder if some sort of ASCAP for out of print manuals could

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On Fri, 21 Aug 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it on my website. That's c

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>> Copyright violation is not theft. ... The PDF "sellers" are not >> selling their property; they are selling right-to-copy. (A perhaps better way for me to have phrased that might be, they are selling right-of-access to their (intellectual) property.) > And "escorts" aren't hookers because they

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In this specific case though, as it's an HP manual, if it's one of the ones that went with Agilent (now Keysight) then they seem to have an enlightened attitude and make their old manuals available and also point to a whole bunch of other places that do the same. So they may well be OK with someon

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As a musician sometimes the bar pays the ASCAP fees sometimes they don't but at least there is a way to compensate the song copyright owner when a band plays a cover song on stage at a bar. I wonder if some sort of ASCAP for out of print manuals could workthis way owners could register their m

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> That's a cop-out. "Someone else did it first" doesn't change the law. In the general case both of the parties involved are breaking copyright law, and the injured party is whoever holds the copyright (which isn't likely to be the seller or the buyer in this case). In this specific case though,

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That's called "stealing". The person I had to buy the CD from off of ebay wasn't authorized to sell it. That's a cop-out. "Someone else did it first" doesn't change the law. and freed it "Freed" is a euphemism. I'm not saying you should be in federal lock-up with Jared from Subway. :

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That's called "stealing". The person I had to buy the CD from off of ebay wasn't authorized to sell it. They're "authorized service center employees" (often times in Russia) that have access to special web portals of all the service documents. They then sell them. *Shrug* I bought the manua

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Copyright violation is not theft. ... The PDF "sellers" are not selling their property; they are selling right-to-copy. And "escorts" aren't hookers because they sell their time, not the sex, right?

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Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it on my website. That's called "stealing". The more of it turned fr

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I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure the intellectual property rights of the documentation belong to the original manufacturer of the equipment, not with some random guy selling Xeroxes on eBay or the Web. I suppose it's possible there's the rare case where an individual has actually gone and acquired

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OK, interesting defense of private property and while I'm a socialistic kind of guy I'm not going to argue with you the fundamental right to private property but my consideration is, while some vendor may own one particular "dead trees" incarnation of a manual, they don't own the IP rights to the a

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> I suppose they started to use the term due to the "sea of information" that actually is internet, but technically the act of copying a software is closer to making good fake copies of an item ( bags, shoes, etc ), at least this is my personal view That's usually called "forgery" On Thu, 20 Au

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:09 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > > When someone, Jason in this case, is presented with a huge rescue > effort and a severe time constraint, the first thing to do is sit down > and think things in a practical manner. There is a lot to think about, > but one of the big thi

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Marc Verdiell wrote: > On 2015-Aug-19, at 3:58 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> . . . >> In fact, due to your time constraints, I would not bother with the HP, >> Tek, or Heathkit manuals at all >> . . . > > Gosh, please don't do that! What a terrible piece of advice

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > On 8/20/15 10:48 AM, Jason Scott wrote: > > I'll answer the questions about the Internet Archive's presenting of >> bitsavers when I calm down >> > > You're right. This is the last post I'm going to make on this. What > happened > has happened,

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On 8/20/15 10:48 AM, Jason Scott wrote: I'll answer the questions about the Internet Archive's presenting of bitsavers when I calm down You're right. This is the last post I'm going to make on this. What happened has happened, I'm not happy the way IA has presented my work, but there isn't any

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> Scan it all. Release it all. Set it free. Eventually. -- Will

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Gosh, please don't do that! What a terrible piece of advice. A large portion of the HP manuals are unavailable, and HP doesn't have them either. I have been looking for the operating and service manual for the HP 12050A (HPIB fiber optics extension) in vain. Couldn't find the one for the HP 7225B

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On 2015-Aug-19, at 3:58 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > . . . > In fact, due to your time constraints, I would not bother with the HP, > Tek, or Heathkit manuals at all > . . . Gosh, please don't do that! What a terrible piece of advice. A large portion of the HP manuals are unavailable, and HP doe

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Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: RE: More on manuals plus rescue > > I suppose they started to use the term due to the "sea of information" > that actually is internet, but technically the act of copying a > software is closer to making good fake copies o

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* tony duell [150820 15:14]: [..SNiP..] > For example, if you wrote an 8080 BASIC with lots of bugs, with many functions > missing, etc, and then tried to pass it off as the Microsoft BASIC that would > be forgery I think. Whereas if you wrote an x86/x64 OS with lots of bugs, severe security hol

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> > I suppose they started to use the term due to the "sea of information" that > actually is internet, but technically the act of copying a software is > closer to making good fake copies of an item ( bags, shoes, etc ), at least > this is my personal view > That's usually called "forgery" Not r

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:09 A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: Re: More on manuals plus rescue On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: > Copyright violation is not theft. (That doesn't make it OK. I just > get so sick of people tossing around emotionally loaded words like > "the

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On Thu, 8/20/15, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: > > Copyright violation is not theft.  (That doesn't make it OK.  I just > > get so sick of people tossing around emotionally loaded words like > > "theft" and "stealing" when discussing copyright violation I feel it > > incumb

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> On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Mouse wrote: > >> If someone sells property he owns, you have a choice: you can spend your mon$ > > True. Also irrelvant; those "selling" PDFs are not selling their > property, and the ways in which those selling papers manuals are are > not relevant to this disc

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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Mouse wrote: Copyright violation is not theft. (That doesn't make it OK. I just get so sick of people tossing around emotionally loaded words like "theft" and "stealing" when discussing copyright violation I feel it incumbent on me to point out that they are not accurate.)

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > What he has done is ripped off the content while NEVER agreeing to be one > of the mirrors, freezing > what he took and attempting to cluelessly make it 'accessable' burying it > in something impossible for > anyone ELSE to mirror. The files

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> If someone sells property he owns, you have a choice: you can spend your mon$ True. Also irrelvant; those "selling" PDFs are not selling their property, and the ways in which those selling papers manuals are are not relevant to this discussion. Nor does the making or distribution of unauthoriz

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Whatever the motivation of the mirror operator, if you put it on the web it's public and control is lost. Not to worry - If your web site organizational structure is superior, over time people will figure it out and ignore those who are out-dated or less complete. "Content is King" Most of us a

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At least, under Google and eBay, one can add exclusionary terms: hp 9100 -printer -scanner Seems to do pretty well under Google. Under eBay I had to add a lot more exclusions, and ran out of room. JRJ On 8/20/2015 7:11 AM, tony duell wrote: > >> They reuse numbers for what I call "marketing n

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On 8/20/15 5:49 AM, Kevin Anderson wrote: I think it is great that Bitsavers material can be saved in more than one location, whether that be identical mirrors on multiple servers or with material copied into another environment. I completely disagree. Scott asked to 'mirror bitsavers' That

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> On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > > At what point should historic preservationists be concerned with preserving > someone else's obsolescent business model? Selling Xerox copies and burned > CDs ... and that's hard cash out of the pocket of every hobbyist that could > undoubtedl

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> On Aug 19, 2015, at 11:37 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Paul Koning wrote: >> Reminds me of a guy who sold US military aircraft flight manual scans, with >> his "copyright" notice on every page. Never mind that such things are in >> the public domain by law. > > The ORIGIN

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Wow, I have just looked at the manuals collection at the Internet Archive site. I honestly can say I don't like it, but I will say it is because this is not how my mind works in organizing stuff. I am immediately turned off by the tiling of 'cards" on the screen and the categorizing of collect

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> The way I look at it, the companies that took to selling people PDF copies > of manuals they've collected and then tried to lock up have had it coming, > and some of them have been due such a blow for a long time now. What about all the guys that play it straight? There are indeed quite a lot of

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> I guess if philistines want to pillage themselves, that is their sad > perogative ... but if releasing the entirety of Manuals Plus to the public > domain will break them, maybe they don't really have anything all that > unique after all? You are missing the point. They may view releasing the e

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> They reuse numbers for what I call "marketing numbers". For example, > with a LaserJet 8150dn, the "8150" is a "marketing number" and not the > actual HP product number, which was C4267A. As far as I know they've > never actually reused a product number. > > I know that's no consolation when

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> They reuse numbers for what I call "marketing numbers". For example, > with a LaserJet 8150dn, the "8150" is a "marketing number" and not the > actual HP product number, which was C4267A. As far as I know they've > never actually reused a product number. The same occurs with IBM type numbers

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> > I guess if philistines want to pillage themselves, that is their sad > perogative ... but if releasing the entirety of Manuals Plus to the public > domain will break them, maybe they don't really have anything all that > unique after all? Also, if you are dealing with somebody so childish tha

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On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > They apparently have reused the 5480 number for some printer (. . what else), > the S/N ratio for searches can be poor. > But yes, going by the part number, that should be it, in part - the service > manual is at least two volumes, that's

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Sean Caron wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:50 PM, William Donzelli wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Tothwolf wrote: I have to disagree strongly with Will on this. There are quite a few "PDF manual dealers" who honestly deserve to go out of business. Those "dealers" tend to f

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Sean Caron wrote: At what point should historic preservationists be concerned with preserving someone else's obsolescent business model? At the point when those "obsolescent" businesses have lawyers that can put you in prison and/or take away everything you've ever work

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I guess if philistines want to pillage themselves, that is their sad perogative ... but if releasing the entirety of Manuals Plus to the public domain will break them, maybe they don't really have anything all that unique after all? Best, Sean On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:50 PM, William Donzelli

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At what point should historic preservationists be concerned with preserving someone else's obsolescent business model? Selling Xerox copies and burned CDs ... and that's hard cash out of the pocket of every hobbyist that could undoubtedly be better spent say, preserving actual equipment, than payin

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On 2015-Aug-19, at 8:08 PM, William Donzelli wrote: >> Not to disagree or contradict you, but I have to mention what may be an >> exception to that in the case of one HP instrument: > > There are always exceptions. > > Anyway, > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-HP-Keysight-05480-90013-5480A-5

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>> "Press Release April 2015 Data Professionals of Pleasanton California has >> been acquired by Heath Company and will focus on supporting vintage kits by >> providing parts, modification, and even 'Certified Pre-Owned' Heathkits for >> sale. Please watch our site for future developments." > >

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Tothwolf wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Yes, let the guys keep selling the higher demand documents - HP, Tek, Heathkit. Nearly all of those are super common anyway (and plus, you will run into problems posting Heath material). Focus on the weirder stuf

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Paul Koning wrote: Reminds me of a guy who sold US military aircraft flight manual scans, with his "copyright" notice on every page. Never mind that such things are in the public domain by law. The ORIGINAL is in the public domain, and he would have no rights to restrict

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> Not to disagree or contradict you, but I have to mention what may be an > exception to that in the case of one HP instrument: There are always exceptions. Anyway, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-HP-Keysight-05480-90013-5480A-5480B-Service-Manual-/361296424349 Is that a different instrument?

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On 2015-Aug-19, at 3:58 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > Yes, let the guys keep selling the higher demand documents - HP, Tek, > Heathkit. Nearly all of those are super common anyway > . . . > In fact, due to your time constraints, I would not bother with the HP, > Tek, or Heathkit manuals at all > .

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Years ago I needed a HP service manual for a plotter I was trying to repair that I owned. HP of course wouldn't let me have it, so I had to buy a PDF copy from someone on eBay. I ended up removing the password and posting it on my website. I think it's been up there for 10+ years now with tons

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> On Aug 19, 2015, at 7:47 PM, Tothwolf wrote: > > ... > Second, those that threaten others when they find a PDF manual online which > competes with their offerings. Some of them will file bogus DMCA takedowns > even though they are not the copyright holder. Some of these "dealers" try to > a

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Jason Scott wrote: That is a most interesting metric. I honestly hadn't considered that issue. The key, I think, will be communication with them to understand which manuals have sales going on, and which ones it would be advant

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On 20 August 2015 at 01:50, William Donzelli wrote: > It does not matter. You can not scan ashes. Not yet. But the tech is getting closer... From automatically reassembling the Stasi's shredded files: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19344978 http://archive.wired.com/politics/security/magazine

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On 08/19/2015 06:50 PM, William Donzelli wrote: I have to disagree strongly with Will on this. There are quite a few "PDF manual dealers" who honestly deserve to go out of business. Those "dealers" tend to fall into two categories: It does not matter. You can not scan ashes. Well, you can, bu

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> I have to disagree strongly with Will on this. There are quite a few "PDF > manual dealers" who honestly deserve to go out of business. Those "dealers" > tend to fall into two categories: It does not matter. You can not scan ashes. -- Will

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, Jason Scott wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: In closing, I might ask you to consider taking your sweet time getting this stuff online. There are still some manual dealers out there. Let them handle the decline of their business in whatever way they see f

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> That is a most interesting metric. I honestly hadn't considered that issue. > The key, I think, will be communication with them to understand which > manuals have sales going on, and which ones it would be advantageous to get > online because they have long dropped into historical myths. Thank yo

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On 8/19/2015 11:52 AM, Jason Scott wrote: In closing, I might ask you to consider taking your sweet time getting this stuff online. There are still some manual dealers out there. Let them handle the decline of their business in whatever way they see fit. All of them know it is just a matter of

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> In closing, I might ask you to consider taking your sweet time getting > this stuff online. There are still some manual dealers out there. Let > them handle the decline of their business in whatever way they see > fit. All of them know it is just a matter of time - probably five > years or less.

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> Actually, their collection was unique and contained a lot of material which > others' libraries (either dead tree or digital) do not contain. This year, I > purchased many one of a kind manuals from Manuals Plus for equipment ranging > from the 1940s to 1980s that I've had sitting around for 10-1

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> My being involved in this Manuals Plus project came as a result of a large > number of people telling me that Manuals Plus was going out of business and > that there were a number of documents and manuals that were, if not rare or > unique, definitely hard to find in good condition. Welcome to t

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Are you serious? Jason is currently sweating his balls off trying to save at least a portion of a huge warehouse of unique documentation under an incredibly tight deadline. Just for the record, the Manuals Plus hoard is not, in any way, a bunch of

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Combining both of your posts in a response, William. My being involved in this Manuals Plus project came as a result of a large number of people telling me that Manuals Plus was going out of business and that there were a number of documents and manuals that were, if not rare or unique, definitely

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On Aug 18, 2015 11:54 PM, "Brent Hilpert" wrote: > > On 2015-Aug-18, at 6:58 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > On 8/18/15 6:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote: > >>> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect all search > >>> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly

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There is currently a design and programming team looking to improve and redo the search interface. I've been seeing their design approaches go by on the internal channels as they revise it. I'm not sure when it all goes live, but an improved and more directed search is absolutely in the plans. On A

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I don't care too much about file sizes with how cheap storage is these days but I've done some scanning projects in the past and there's always a critic, LOL. Best, Sean On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Sean Caron > > > I have found that even fairly fine

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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 08:54:39PM -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote: > I can understand why Al is peeved. IMHO the reply was conciliatory. I'm willing to give a little bit of the benefit of the doubt in the meantime. I don't expect to be best-friends with any/everyone on the list but I would like to h

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> Ask Will Donzelli about the Cyber Resources rescue we did. > You'll not get any sympathy for waiting 'til the last day > from him or me. The Data General save was far worse. At least with CyberResources (mainly a New Jersey CDC reseller that had a very sizable library, for those confused by the

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

> Are you serious? Jason is currently sweating his balls off trying to save at > least a portion of a huge warehouse of unique documentation under an > incredibly tight deadline. Just for the record, the Manuals Plus hoard is not, in any way, a bunch of "unique documentation". Test equipment doc

Re: More on manuals plus rescue

On 2015-Aug-18, at 6:58 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > On 8/18/15 6:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote: >>> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect >>> all search >>> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless >>> 'new' content that >>> Google thi

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