Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-27 Thread Murray McCullough
What I was attempting to say in my post was that the first computer store was a retail outlet that sold MICROCOMPUTERS, and/or PERSONAL computers and/or SMALL computers all we could carry around without doing physical detriment to one’s self.[I shopped at Canada's first computer store on 44 Eg

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Ian S. King
Oops, misremembered: Altair 680. On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > I don't remember the exact date, but I was in high school which places it > in the mid-1970s: there was a storefront called "The Retail Computer Store" > that sold Altairs, IMSAIs, Chromemco and SWTPC. I real

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Ian S. King
I don't remember the exact date, but I was in high school which places it in the mid-1970s: there was a storefront called "The Retail Computer Store" that sold Altairs, IMSAIs, Chromemco and SWTPC. I really wanted the little SWTP 680 - now, of course, they're sky high if you can find one. Interest

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/26/2015 03:01 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: Yes, but they don't seem to sue folks who just create clones of someone else's VID/PID. I suspect the problem is more of trying to avoid the costs of developing/adapting S/W for their particular device, which is why they "clone" an existing device ra

RE: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Ali
> Well, given the difficulty of getting official values (USD 4k, per > year(!), seems to be the cheapest option at the moment - certainly > completely out of reach for anything hobbyist), this is hardly > surprising. Ahhh! So it is not a gentleman's agreement but a licensing scheme.

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 7/26/15 2:12 PM, Dave G4UGM wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ali Sent: 26 July 2015 21:53 To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: First Computer Store The whole VID & PID wo

RE: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ali > Sent: 26 July 2015 21:53 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: RE: First Computer Store > > > > The whole VID &

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/26/2015 01:52 PM, Ali wrote: The whole VID & PID works because of "gentleman's agreements" (ie use your own VID and don't pretend to be someone else's). It's not clear how to solve this for folks that don't follow the rules. If it is a gentleman's agreement (i.e. no licensing/certifica

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Mouse
>> [USB] > And the proliferation of unofficial VID and PIDs seems to be an > issue, [...] Well, given the difficulty of getting official values (USD 4k, per year(!), seems to be the cheapest option at the moment - certainly completely out of reach for anything hobbyist), this is hardly surprising.

RE: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Ali
> The whole VID & PID works because of "gentleman's agreements" (ie use > your own VID and don't pretend to be someone else's). It's not clear > how to solve this for folks that don't follow the rules. If it is a gentleman's agreement (i.e. no licensing/certification fees) why wouldn't people u

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 7/26/15 12:15 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 07/26/2015 06:12 AM, tony duell wrote: Remember when USB was referred to as the Useless Serial Bus after it was introduced? I think it was a solid 1-2 years after it was introduced that I began to notice peripherals designed for it. I still call it

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/26/2015 06:12 AM, tony duell wrote: Remember when USB was referred to as the Useless Serial Bus after it was introduced? I think it was a solid 1-2 years after it was introduced that I began to notice peripherals designed for it. I still call it 'Useless Serial Botch' most of the time. I

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread COURYHOUSE
I find USB useful and with USB 3 pretty darn quick! only downside it does not like to run 45.5 baud to run our 60 wpm UPI Teletype machine in the Journalism Display. Hey anyone have a AP Teletype we need one in AP dress too! Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)

RE: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread tony duell
> > Remember when USB was referred to as the Useless Serial Bus after it was > introduced? I think it was a solid 1-2 > years after it was introduced that I began to notice peripherals designed for > it. I still call it 'Useless Serial Botch' most of the time. It's not a bus, after all. -ton

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-26 Thread Geoff Oltmans
Remember when USB was referred to as the Useless Serial Bus after it was introduced? I think it was a solid 1-2 years after it was introduced that I began to notice peripherals designed for it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > ---and a USB port. :) >

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/24/2015 06:41 PM, Mike Loewen wrote: That's exactly what the Hollywood prop people do: http://woodysprops.com/item.php?uid=133&page=6 These are from a Burroughs B205 system, and rigged up to spin the reels and blink the lights. Sometimes a prop is also a real, functioning computer: h

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread jwsmobile
On 7/24/2015 6:41 PM, Mike Loewen wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 07/24/2015 04:20 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 04:53:01PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > It's not a real computer unless it has a real front panel with > switches and blinkenlights. Ever wa

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Mike Loewen
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 07/24/2015 04:20 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 04:53:01PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > It's not a real computer unless it has a real front panel with > switches and blinkenlights. Ever watch any old reruns of "Wonder Woman". Lots

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/24/2015 04:20 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 04:53:01PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: It's not a real computer unless it has a real front panel with switches and blinkenlights. Ever watch any old reruns of "Wonder Woman". Lots of blinkin' lights; no computer. Or you could

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 04:53:01PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > It's not a real computer unless it has a real front panel with > switches and blinkenlights. +1 ! mcl

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 07/24/2015 01:18 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> Now, obviously, the first "REAL" computer needed to have internet >> connectivity. > ---and a USB port. :) It's not a real computer unless it has a real front panel with switches and blinkenlights.

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/24/2015 01:18 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: Now, obviously, the first "REAL" computer needed to have internet connectivity. ---and a USB port. :) --Chuck

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Richard Loken wrote: Ah that was my question. I did not pay attention to computers at all until 1980 and it another five or more years before I had any interest something that could be lifted by one man. My interest is still largely confined to big iron. I am sort of curious

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Fred Cisin
A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was opened by Dick Heiser. How time has flown by! On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Paul Ko

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread COURYHOUSE
right on! In a message dated 7/24/2015 12:32:14 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ci...@xenosoft.com writes: Yes, as usual, all such claims are meaningless without term definitions. What Murray was referring to was arguably the first PERSONAL computer store, and run as a retail storefront.

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Fred Cisin
A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was opened by Dick Heiser. How time has flown by! On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Stefan

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Fred Cisin
A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was opened by Dick Heiser. How time has flown by! On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Rich

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/24/2015 11:00 AM, Richard Loken wrote: I am sort of curious about whether a computer store in 1975 sold only parts and kits or whether assemble self supporting packages were starting to appear. Was this still the era of the front panel and the S100 bus or had they move onto stuff like the

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Jul-24, at 8:24 AM, william degnan wrote: > Oh I don't know...I think these had some interest in 1975 > http://vintagecomputer.net/altair-poptronics.cfm > > Also take a look at the run of Byte mags published in 1975, plus > People's Computer Company Newsletters from 1975. We had a Byte Sh

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Richard Loken
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: > I remember Paul Terrell opining the Byte Shop in late 1975. You could > buy the MITS stuff as well as the Apple. Things were moving pretty > quickly back then. I believe mention was made in an early MITS newsletter. Ah that was my question. I did not

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/24/2015 08:24 AM, william degnan wrote: Oh I don't know...I think these had some interest in 1975 http://vintagecomputer.net/altair-poptronics.cfm I remember Paul Terrell opining the Byte Shop in late 1975. You could buy the MITS stuff as well as the Apple. Things were moving pretty q

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread COURYHOUSE
ote: > tor 2015-07-23 klockan 13:11 -0400 skrev Murray McCullough: >> A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, >> the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called >> Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Stor

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread william degnan
same time. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Stefan Skoglund wrote: > tor 2015-07-23 klockan 13:11 -0400 skrev Murray McCullough: >> A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, >> the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called >

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Stefan Skoglund
tor 2015-07-23 klockan 13:11 -0400 skrev Murray McCullough: > A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, > the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called > Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was >

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread william degnan
n Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Murray McCullough wrote: > >> A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, >> the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called >> Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It wa

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Richard Loken
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Murray McCullough wrote: > A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, > the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called > Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was > opened b

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Murray McCullough > wrote: > > A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, > the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called > Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'

Re: First Computer Store

2015-07-24 Thread Steven Hirsch
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Murray McCullough wrote: A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was opened by Dick Heiser. How ti

First Computer Store

2015-07-23 Thread Murray McCullough
A momentus event happened 40 years ago around this time, July 1975, the world's first computer store opened in West Los Angeles, called Arrow Head Computer Store, tag-lined, 'The Computer Store'. It was opened by Dick Heiser. How time has flown by! Murray :)